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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: Jonzx5
I used the word "assume" because we have no encounters between Emile and Rtas, technically, everyone in this thread is "assuming", because this encounter never actually took place.
I think you are getting confused between gameplay and "reality". If you look at it through a gameplay perspective when Emile attempts to snipe people with his shotgun in campaign, then I guess this argument is not worth arguing because both Emile and Rtas are both clearly invincible....
No, I am not confusing gameplay and canon.
About John, First of all, he had Mark VI Armor on.
No he didn't. He first encounters a Brute in First Strike, he still has Mark V because it's set just after Halo CE, he doesn't get Mark VI until he returns to Earth.
Second of all, John got into the Brutes confort zone when he engaged it in a wrestling match.
A Brute's comfort zone would be the same as Emile's, they are both close-quarters fighters. Also, John is much less arrogant than Emile and still ended up getting his arse handed to him. He was defeated by Thel 'Lodamee in a duel in about a minute too and 'Lodamee is simply a Major.
The outcome of Spartan's vs Brute's when Fred killed a Brute with his bare hands in First Strike. Also, if you've read Halo: Uprising, you would see John engage an entire room full of Brutes single handedly. In the next panel of the comic, you see John standing over a room full of dead Brute bodies.
You may also recall John getting taken prisoner and interrogated by a Chieftain. The only reason he managed to escape was because of the plasma grenade that the Chieftain failed to strip him of. He's beaten off a ledge by a Jackal too.
*A 12 year old Spartan-III in SPI Armor beating a Sword wielding Spec Ops Elite in hand to hand combat (Ghosts of Onyx)
Stop making things up, the Elite's rank is never said.
*Jai taking on Thel and two zealots hand to hand, leaving Thel with broken ribs and the Zealots stunned
Only 1 Zealot actually, Zhar was the only Zealot with Thel.
*3 Spartan-II's from Red Team engaging over 20 Elite Honor Guards and defeating them all, some hand to hand combat was envolved (Halo Wars)
That scene was unrealistic in terms of canon and massively overplayed. Those Elites were extremely stupid.
*Noble 6 taking on an Ultra, Zealot, Field Marshal, and a General in hand to hand combat (Halo: Reach).
Also overplayed and canonically inccurate. He killed the General by barging into it, then managed to kill two other assailants by dual wielding an AR and pistol whilst mortally wounded.
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That sneaking up and impaling thing that Elite's tend to do only works if their opponent doesn't KNOW that they are there. In other words, if Rtas activated his camo after he and Emile came face to face, It would't work very well. On the other hand, if the combatants don't actually see eachother face to face before engaging, than it is possible. But then again, that's not a fair arrangement for the fight.
Seemed to work fine for Ripa when he fought Sergeant Forge.
Also, of course Emile saw them coming, the Phantom was right above him and well within his line of sight. He killed one, showed his arrogance by trying to get another to attack and failed due to a fatal lapse in situational awareness.
You must be joking if you think that they're going to greet each other and shake hands first. Camouflage is one of the many advantages Rtas has over Emile, of course he's going to use it because he knows what Spartans are capable of.
Actually, A Brute's comfort zone is completely different from an Elite's comfort zone. A Brute is a Brutish, hence the name, savage, hand to hand fighter with no technique (Save the hammer wielding Chieftains), and simply brute strength. They like to wrestle, rip, and smash. If you get into a wrestling match with a Brute, you're most likely going to lose. An Elite actually knows how to fight. They use some degree of training, technique, and dicipline to win hand to hand engagements, completely the opposite of Brutes.
Spartan's have proven time after time to be able to take on multiple sword wielding Elites with their bare hands, and come out on top. As for the Cheiftain interrogating John, Yeah, I'll give him that. But that does not change the fact that John implanted a sticky grenade on the Chieftain's groin, kicked off, and proceeded to take out an entire room full of Brutes surrounding him. No matter how you look at it, it was an impressive feat.
Are you simply going to dismiss every example I give as "overplayed"?. Guess what? It still happened, just accept it. Yes, 3 Spartan-II's did take on over 20 Elite Honor Guards in hand to hand and ranged combat. Yes, Noble 6 did take on multiple high ranking Elites in hand to hand combat.
Why did you chose to ignore all of my other examples of Spartan's defeating Elites, or multiple Elites in hand to hand combat?
As for the arrangement of the fight, are you saying that the fight will start off by having the Rtas already activating his Camo and in the proccess of sneaking up behind Emile? Yeah, of course he would win if that's how the fight went, but thats like starting the fight with Emile sneaking up behind Rtas about to implant his Kukri into Rtas's mouth. Fair fight arrangement eh?
[Edited on 01.08.2011 2:42 PM PST]