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Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Jonzx5
When have I ever assumed that what is true for John is true for all Spartan's? In the examples I gave of Spartans beating Elites or multiple Elites in hand to hand combat, most of them were not John doing the fighting.
Using John's killing of the Brutes in Uprising. The other examples are of individuals. John, Fred, Kelly, whatever.
Posted by: Jonzx5
I have also accepted the fact that Rtas is an unparalleled swordsman, and one of the best Elite warriors in the Covenant, possibly as skilled as Thel.
Possibly more skilled; possibly as skilled; possibly less skilled. There is no way to know. You cannot assume that he is less than or equal to any more than you can can assume he is greater than.
Posted by: Jonzx5
The conclusion that Jai walked away without a scratch is obvious. The fight between Jai and Thel was pretty detailed, and it stated every aspect, or injury that the two combatants may have received.
It was from Thel's point of view. He had no idea whether or not he inflicted injury to Jai.
Posted by: Jonzx5
Jai was stated to have no injuries, while Thel had broken ribs. Jai continued to fight throughout the story after his encounter with Thel, and never once was an injury mentioned.
What page was this stated? Thel suffered a single broken rib, and got up and sprinted after Jai. He said that such an injury would not impair him. If Jai had any similar injuries, then it is likely that they did not impair his ability to fight either.
Posted by: Jonzx5
I would also like to mention that after Jai broke Thel's ribs and threw him against a wall, he was reaching for his knife about to kill Thel when he had more urgent things to attend to and had to leave instead.
Well Thel seemed quite confident, asserting after seeing the knife that neither would win; they would kill each other in the end.
In this case, it is nearly impossible to conclude if Rtas or Emile would win a hand to hand fight.
As for Thel and Jai, the battle between them was from Thel's point of view, yes. However, the rest of the story (Or most of it) is from the humans, including Jai's point of view. Jai never stated that he suffered from any injuries after his battle with Thel, while Thel did. I would think that if Jai did receive an injury, it would have been stated by either Jai himself, the narrator, or another individual, perhaps a Spartan who would have noticed Jai's injury. Since it was never stated that he received an injury, we can conclude that he did not.
I don't know about you, but the battle between Jai and Thel sure points to Jai as the victor. He broke Thel's ribs, threw him against a wall, and was reaching for his knife. I would also like to mention that Jai was wearing Mark IV Armor, while Thel had his golden Zealot armor with powerful energy shields, and still "lost".
With this information, we can safely conclude that a shielded Noble 6 in Mark V would be able defeat Thel in a hand to hand fight where Thel wields a sword, and Noble 6 a knife.
As for Rtas and Emile, appearently we don't have enough information to conclude that encounter. I would like to point out however, that Spartan's win every single hand to hand encounter with Elites, or multiple Elites. I understand that Rtas is not an "average Elite", but neither were the Field Marshals, Generals, and Ultra's that Noble 6 took on, the 20+ Honor guards that 3 Red Team Spartan's took on, or the 3 Spec-Ops Elites and Major's that Kelly took on. These engagements (there are many more examples) have to count for at least SOMETHING when trying to decide if Rtas or Emile would win...