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Subject: So the ruins in "The Babysitter"
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One day... I am gonna grow wings... A chemical reaction... Hysterical and useless... hystecial and let down and hanging around... crushed like a bug in the ground.

So the ruins in "The Babysitter"

Nope, not Forerunner.
Likely not Precursor,

After Cryptum we now know that The San Shyuum and both had intergalactic empires.

So which do we all think it is?

Human or San Shyuum ruins?

  • 01.07.2011 5:28 PM PDT

Hey, now!

This is officially either the greatest or worst thing to ever happen to Star Wars. I'm going with the former.

Human.

  • 01.07.2011 5:42 PM PDT

Dont be shy...
Im sorry for my coup changes but Im new at this.

San Shyuum

  • 01.07.2011 8:40 PM PDT

Most likely human considering it looks like human architecture from feudal Japan or the Middle East.

  • 01.07.2011 8:44 PM PDT
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BEN SPARTAN120

Japan actually, to correct you.

Also, I wouldn't look at Legends for any form of cannon. At all.

The reason the ruins were Japanese is because Legends was created by several Japanese animation studios and they wanted to leave their impression in the stories and animations. Furthermore, the episodes needed to have some form of appeal to the Japanese audience, to wit, likening the Elites to the Samurai, so far as to say they were practically Japanese but split lipped alien versions of the Japanese.

This is not biased, opinionated ranting either, the directors of the episodes admitted it in the commentary tracks. Not that it wasn't obvious anyway.

  • 01.07.2011 8:51 PM PDT


Posted by: spartan120
Japan actually, to correct you.

Also, I wouldn't look at Legends for any form of cannon. At all.

The reason the ruins were Japanese is because Legends was created by several Japanese animation studios and they wanted to leave their impression in the stories and animations. Furthermore, the episodes needed to have some form of appeal to the Japanese audience, to wit, likening the Elites to the Samurai, so far as to say they were practically Japanese but split lipped alien versions of the Japanese.

This is not biased, opinionated ranting either, the directors of the episodes admitted it in the commentary tracks. Not that it wasn't obvious anyway.



1) It is considered canon. The ruins on Heian are mentioned in Evolutions.

2) The ruins also had significant Greco-Roman influences as well; not strictly Japanese.

3) The Elites were always a Japanese-esque warrior culture.

I don't see the problem with Legends really.

  • 01.07.2011 9:02 PM PDT
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BEN SPARTAN120

Really? Aside from the fact it was terrible? It has entertainment value, yes [very little to me, anyway]

1. I, as a long time fan, don't consider it cannon, and I'm by far, not the only person who shares that opinion.

2. I'll need to review this fact, so far as I could tell, the ruins were based on ancient Japanese architecture mixed with Feudal designs.

3. The Elites were based off of a blend of various warrior-cultures, not strictly Samurai, as Legends would leave you to believe. Regardless, the Elites culture is in itself, unique, and should be portrayed as such, not as it's influences or just one of said influences.

My arguments lay in the lack of true-to-Bungie's-Halo-Cannon. 343 are broadening the franchise by making it more appealing to the masses. Though a sound business strategy, it treads on a lot of fans toes. Fans who invested both time and money into the franchise, just the same as those who created it.

Anyway, your opinion is as valid as mine, I'm not here to argue pointlessly :)

  • 01.07.2011 9:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: spartan120
Really? Aside from the fact it was terrible? It has entertainment value, yes [very little to me, anyway]

1. I, as a long time fan, don't consider it cannon, and I'm by far, not the only person who shares that opinion.

2. I'll need to review this fact, so far as I could tell, the ruins were based on ancient Japanese architecture mixed with Feudal designs.

3. The Elites were based off of a blend of various warrior-cultures, not strictly Samurai, as Legends would leave you to believe. Regardless, the Elites culture is in itself, unique, and should be portrayed as such, not as it's influences or just one of said influences.

My arguments lay in the lack of true-to-Bungie's-Halo-Cannon. 343 are broadening the franchise by making it more appealing to the masses. Though a sound business strategy, it treads on a lot of fans toes. Fans who invested both time and money into the franchise, just the same as those who created it.

Anyway, your opinion is as valid as mine, I'm not here to argue pointlessly :)


Cryptum changes everything because it provides the very real possibility that they're ancient human ruins that date back when humanity was nearly as advanced as the Forerunners.

  • 01.07.2011 9:45 PM PDT
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BEN SPARTAN120

I've not read Cryptum yet. I'll have look at it soon enough.

  • 01.07.2011 10:19 PM PDT

"It is done. By my hands. The pyrrhic solution is ignited. All I have left is the quiet of space to lull me to sleep.
I will dream of you." - The Didact

I say Human

  • 01.07.2011 11:16 PM PDT

Most likely human.

  • 01.08.2011 12:14 AM PDT

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Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

Posted by: spartan120
Japan actually, to correct you.

Also, I wouldn't look at Legends for any form of cannon. At all.

The reason the ruins were Japanese is because Legends was created by several Japanese animation studios and they wanted to leave their impression in the stories and animations. Furthermore, the episodes needed to have some form of appeal to the Japanese audience, to wit, likening the Elites to the Samurai, so far as to say they were practically Japanese but split lipped alien versions of the Japanese.

This is not biased, opinionated ranting either, the directors of the episodes admitted it in the commentary tracks. Not that it wasn't obvious anyway.

The events (excluding Odd One Out) are all canon - the episodes themselves are not. Think of them as propaganda material, showing the SPARTANS as unstoppable.
Also, artistic licence. Also, Cryptum which I have not read, yet seems to blow apart everything pre-Halo universe.

  • 01.08.2011 2:46 AM PDT

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Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Cryptum which I have not read, yet seems to blow apart everything pre-Halo universe.


I do not see how that's possible. We have a few tiny details about what happened 100,000 years ago from the Terminals and the books, there's only a focus on the Forerunners too.

  • 01.08.2011 3:59 AM PDT
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After reach its seems people have a hair-trigger on saying canon is "RUINED FOREVER" to put it bluntly

  • 01.08.2011 4:28 AM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
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Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

That may have something to do with the fact that Reach doesn't actually match up with many other sources of canon if any.

The explanation someone in this forum gave which made me lol was saying that Reach is a game released by ONI in the Haloverse, which made the Fall of Reach look more valiant, heroic and longer than it was.

  • 01.08.2011 4:52 AM PDT
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ZedFish's Opinion on Sgt. Foley.
ZedFish's Forerunner Rickroll.

Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
The explanation someone in this forum gave which made me lol was saying that Reach is a game released by ONI in the Haloverse, which made the Fall of Reach look more valiant, heroic and longer than it was.
Yeah, I saw that.

I'm on the "did not destroy canon" side, and even I laughed at that one.

  • 01.08.2011 4:57 AM PDT
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Excuse me for quoting myself, but I pointed this out in another thread a while ago, though it seems more applicable here.

The planet in "The Babysitter" is called Heian. It is mentioned in the Halo: Evolutions short story From the Office of Dr. William Arthur Iqbal. Iqbal writes:

I direct your attention to the photographs from Heian. There were obvious Forerunner elements in that architecture, but also unmistakable architectural themes from Greco-Roman, East Asian, and Middle Eastern eras. All of those buildings predated human travel to that world by perhaps hundreds maybe thousands of years. We find ourselves wondering if they borrowed from our history, or we from theirs. It is impossible that it was a coincidence.


This seems to indicate that the ruins are in fact Forerunner in origin, but it gives us a pre-Cryptum glimpse into ancient human/Forerunner contact.

  • 01.08.2011 9:13 AM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: spartan120
Japan actually, to correct you.

Also, I wouldn't look at Legends for any form of cannon. At all.

  • 01.08.2011 9:33 AM PDT