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Subject: **SPOILERS** Cryptum in a nutshell

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Posted by: Old Salty27
Through out the entire Halo Series it is alluded that Humanity are Forunners; at the end of Halo-3 Spark flat out says it to M.C. ,"You are the child of my makers. Inheritor of all they left behind. You are FORERUNNER!". Even Mechadent Bias in Contact Harvest admits as much to the Prophets. And now for whatever reason 343 decided to back tread on that major plot point, something I can't understand. I always thought the revelation that Humanity were the living descendants of Forerunners was an awesome plot twist. Now according to the new canon Forerunners and Humans are related due to genetic tinkering from intergalactic super intelligent Scorpion Aliens( Precursors) that forged them in their image?.............Wut? O.o


343 was rampant. That was implied many, many times.

Does MB say we're Forerunner? All I remember is him saying, "That is reclaimer"

Regardless, I, as well as many others, never once thought that Humans were Forerunner. That was a silly assumption I never understood people making.

  • 01.08.2011 6:03 PM PDT

Don't get me wrong; I liked Crytum and will probably read the next two books, but as far as I'm concerned it's not really Halo anymore.

  • 01.08.2011 6:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: Old Salty27
Don't get me wrong; I liked Crytum and will probably read the next two books, but as far as I'm concerned it's not really Halo anymore.


This is the Halo book I've been waiting on. I loved Nylunds books, but Contact Harvest and Cole Protocol were such disappointments to me. Evolutions was a huge step in the right direction, and Cryptum feels more Halo to me than most of the other novels. It doesn't have Spartans, or Covenant, or deep tales of death and bloody war.

But it has that sense of awe and wonder, and makes you think and lets your mind wander.

  • 01.08.2011 6:06 PM PDT
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One day... I am gonna grow wings... A chemical reaction... Hysterical and useless... hystecial and let down and hanging around... crushed like a bug in the ground.

Yes,

I agree with Pvt. Caboose.

Personally I didn't like Legends (Evouloutions was great) but I think we needed to give 343i some time before we made a judgement and I think it is all now coming together.

After losing faith in Bungies handling of the Halo canon I am relieved 343i is begining to do something right.

  • 01.08.2011 6:09 PM PDT

That's the main reason I'm sticking with the Forerunner Novels. I'm eagerly awaiting the next book in the series. I'm curious to see how the imprisoned Precursor ties in with the Gravemind and Mechatent Bias.

  • 01.08.2011 6:11 PM PDT

The Precursors are strange, good info tho, thanks man.

  • 01.08.2011 6:15 PM PDT
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Metal breakfast.

What was the cure for the Flood? And what happened to it?

  • 01.08.2011 6:19 PM PDT

I just love laughing at all the people who swore humanity was the forerunners. In the terminals it very blatantly says that the forerunners discovered us, meaning we were different species. When Spark says "you are forerunner" he means it in a metaphorical state. That humanity is the inheritor of what they created.

  • 01.08.2011 6:20 PM PDT


Posted by: jazz776
What was the cure for the Flood? And what happened to it?

The cure wasnt really a cure as it was another type of disease. They used genetically programmed genes in 1/3 of the human population and put them in the path of the flood as sacrifice. Humanity counter infected the flood and they eventually died off. Although it does say that a few did escape in ships and flee the galaxy.

  • 01.08.2011 6:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: jazz776
What was the cure for the Flood? And what happened to it?


It wasn't so much of a cure, as it was a solution to the problem. A human made virus that killed off the flood. Those who were already infected by the flood weren't cured. Humans implanted the new "anti-flood" into humans and allowed those humans to be devoured by the flood. This spread the "Anti-flood" through the Flood and eventually allowed the humans to win.

The humans hid this "anti-flood" from the Forerunners, and never revealed it.

  • 01.08.2011 6:22 PM PDT

Its crazy to think that if humanity hadnt been fighting this double war with the flood and forerunners that we might have beaten the forerunners.

  • 01.08.2011 6:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: mchalo and fries
Its crazy to think that if humanity hadnt been fighting this double war with the flood and forerunners that we might have beaten the forerunners.


Think about how different the universe would've been had we not lost the Forerunner-Human war. THAT was the real turning point in the Halo history.

Had we won, the Flood wouldn't be a threat. We would be allies with the San'Shyuum(Thus the Covenant might not've been formed and no Human-Covenant war would've occurred) The Forerunners wouldn't of created/Fired the Halo Rings.

EVERYTHING happened because of that war.

  • 01.08.2011 6:28 PM PDT
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Metal breakfast.

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: jazz776
What was the cure for the Flood? And what happened to it?


It wasn't so much of a cure, as it was a solution to the problem. A human made virus that killed off the flood. Those who were already infected by the flood weren't cured. Humans implanted the new "anti-flood" into humans and allowed those humans to be devoured by the flood. This spread the "Anti-flood" through the Flood and eventually allowed the humans to win.

The humans hid this "anti-flood" from the Forerunners, and never revealed it.

Ah okay thank you and the other person who replied to my post it was very helpful.

  • 01.08.2011 6:30 PM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: mchalo and fries
Its crazy to think that if humanity hadnt been fighting this double war with the flood and forerunners that we might have beaten the forerunners.


Think about how different the universe would've been had we not lost the Forerunner-Human war. THAT was the real turning point in the Halo history.

Had we won, the Flood wouldn't be a threat. We would be allies with the San'Shyuum(Thus the Covenant might not've been formed and no Human-Covenant war would've occurred) The Forerunners wouldn't of created/Fired the Halo Rings.

EVERYTHING happened because of that war.


EXACTLY!!!!
Humanity had the cure to the flood so that wouldnt be an issue. The San Shyuum wouldnt have formed the covenant.

  • 01.08.2011 6:30 PM PDT

Posted by: mchalo and fries
I just love laughing at all the people who swore humanity was the forerunners. In the terminals it very blatantly says that the forerunners discovered us, meaning we were different species. When Spark says "you are forerunner" he means it in a metaphorical state. That humanity is the inheritor of what they created.
Hmm...I'll have to go back and reread the Terminals.

I'll be reading this Cryptum book.

  • 01.08.2011 6:31 PM PDT


Posted by: Techno Greek
Posted by: mchalo and fries
I just love laughing at all the people who swore humanity was the forerunners. In the terminals it very blatantly says that the forerunners discovered us, meaning we were different species. When Spark says "you are forerunner" he means it in a metaphorical state. That humanity is the inheritor of what they created.
Hmm...I'll have to go back and reread the Terminals.

I'll be reading this Cryptum book.

Please do, its a very good book, my favorite to date.

  • 01.08.2011 6:32 PM PDT

Posted by: mchalo and fries

Posted by: Techno Greek
Posted by: mchalo and fries
I just love laughing at all the people who swore humanity was the forerunners. In the terminals it very blatantly says that the forerunners discovered us, meaning we were different species. When Spark says "you are forerunner" he means it in a metaphorical state. That humanity is the inheritor of what they created.
Hmm...I'll have to go back and reread the Terminals.

I'll be reading this Cryptum book.

Please do, its a very good book, my favorite to date.
I think I'll hate it, though. IMO, the Forerunners were cooler when they didn't call themselves the Forerunners, and when they were much more abstract as a plot-point.

I don't think, based on forum-talk and some excerpt-fragments that I read, that Mr. Bear understands what makes Halo tick. He's not at the heart of the universe; he's not writing on the correct string. Eric Nylund understood. Greg Bear is just writing Sci-Fi; he isn't writing Halo.

I curse Microsoft's name for many things already, but if they've okayed a book that puts a massive scar on a beloved story, I may not buy anything 343i related ever again. Halo Legends sucked, and if this sucks (from what I've seen of it so far, it does), then IMO, 343 sucks, and Halo is dead to me.

  • 01.08.2011 6:53 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

You're being WAY to critical. Cryptum was the best thing to happen to Halo since Evolutions.

  • 01.08.2011 6:56 PM PDT

Posted by: privet caboose
You're being WAY to critical. Cryptum was the best thing to happen to Halo since Evolutions.
Other authors than Nylund were involved with Evolutions, so I didn't buy it.

  • 01.08.2011 6:57 PM PDT

You should always be open to new stuff, just keep your mind open when you read it. This has breathed a new life into the halo story that it desperately needed. Not to mention that the general story in Cryptum is the story Bungie had in their bible the whole time. Its not like Greg Bear changed anything in the story, he just told the story Bungie created with his own style.

  • 01.08.2011 7:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: Techno Greek
Posted by: privet caboose
You're being WAY to critical. Cryptum was the best thing to happen to Halo since Evolutions.
Other authors than Nylund were involved with Evolutions, so I didn't buy it.


You simply cheated yourself out of one of the best books. Nylund's story in Evolutions was amazing, but so were nearly every other story. Hell, Nylund didn't even write the best story in the book. That spot is reserved for Dirt or Mona Lisa.

  • 01.08.2011 7:02 PM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Techno Greek
Posted by: privet caboose
You're being WAY to critical. Cryptum was the best thing to happen to Halo since Evolutions.
Other authors than Nylund were involved with Evolutions, so I didn't buy it.


You simply cheated yourself out of one of the best books. Nylund's story in Evolutions was amazing, but so were nearly every other story. Hell, Nylund didn't even write the best story in the book. That spot is reserved for Dirt or Mona Lisa.

The Mona Lisa was AMAZING!

  • 01.08.2011 7:06 PM PDT

Please keep in mind that most of the "facts" in the original post are pure speculation.

  • 01.08.2011 7:09 PM PDT

Anti-Teabag self-destruct mechanisms ftw

That precursor was the Gravemind that was fighting the the forerunners. That means that the flood is actualy contolled by precursers and the precursers created a way to rebuild themselves using the other living organisms. I don't have all the answers and we need the rest of the triligy released but the precurser/flood are actualy really related.

The precursor's tail also came out of his head and they are still humanoid just to point out. They also had 6 eyes and their head was described as being more like the body of a scorpion than a centipede. They are also huge compared to Forerunner/ human. We saw that on the halo 2 scene with the gravemind(Graveminds are similar if not are forerunners).

  • 01.08.2011 7:12 PM PDT

Posted by: mchalo and fries
You should always be open to new stuff, just keep your mind open when you read it. This has breathed a new life into the halo story that it desperately needed. Not to mention that the general story in Cryptum is the story Bungie had in their bible the whole time. Its not like Greg Bear changed anything in the story, he just told the story Bungie created with his own style.
Look, man, to me nothing is cooler than the way it was before this Goddammed book.

I liked it when the Flood wasn't created by the precursors, but instead a horror come from a different galaxy that was met with Forerunner (human) resistance.

It was cooler when the Forerunners were called Forerunners because their ancient, deserted ruins were tens-of thousands of years old, and they didn't call themselves that out of zeal.

It made for a better story when it was left up to the player (yes, the player, not the reader) to imagine the Forerunners desperately fighting the Flood for thousands of years before they were forced to activate the array.

It was deeper when the Covenant were utterly unrelated to the pre-activation storyline, and were just a group of alien races lead by the San'Shyum who worship the Forerunner ruins, and don't want the rest of the Cov. to know the truth of the array.

In short, it was more solid when it wasn't handed off to multiple authors to convolute it as they see fit.

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  • 01.08.2011 7:13 PM PDT