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Subject: **SPOILERS** Cryptum in a nutshell

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: Techno Greek
Posted by: mchalo and fries

Posted by: MegaMuffin16
I refuse to accept this as canon.


Too bad, its canon, whether you accept it or not.
Actually, it'll be about as easy to ignore as those Star Wars: Ewoks cartoons.

It makes about as much sense.
THANK you


Protip: He hasn't read the book either.

  • 01.08.2011 8:21 PM PDT

Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: Techno Greek
Posted by: mchalo and fries

Posted by: MegaMuffin16
I refuse to accept this as canon.


Too bad, its canon, whether you accept it or not.
Actually, it'll be about as easy to ignore as those Star Wars: Ewoks cartoons.

It makes about as much sense.
THANK you
No problem.

  • 01.08.2011 8:21 PM PDT

MY ANSWERS ARE BELOW YOUR STATEMENTS

Of course I have. Here are some examples of some false/partially true statments:

Precursors created Forerunners
The exact quote by the captive was "I am the last of those who gave you breath and shape and form, million years ago.", weather or not he was being literal is unknown.
A: There is no other way to take this statement, your wrong, sorry.

As a parting gift, Precursors create flood as bio weapon in a dormant state
It is still unknown where the ships containing the powder came from.
A: The last line of the book says "and our answer is at hand" it doesnt take a genius to put 2 and 2 together that the Precursors "answer" is the flood.

Flood evolve out of dormant state from domestic pets
A certain form of the flood does, the form our galaxy first encountered. That Floods behavior is quite different than the Flood 'we' know of, meaning the "second" wave of flood (being combated behind closed doors through out the durration of the novel) could could have its origins explained the following novels.
A: Whats your point? my post is still correct, now your just trying to make up stuff, once again, my post is correct.

Humanity team up with San Shyuum and fight Forerunners and Flood
Humanity and the San Shyuum coexsisted before the Forunner or Flood conflict. The San Shyuum turned their back on Humanity to bargin their way out of death with the Forunners.
A: Once again, the San Shyuum DID team up with humanity, it doesnt matter how long or what happened, they DID team up, your wrong again.

When Humanity loses it gets devolved to caveman state by forerunners
How far back Humanity was devolved is never stated, but it certainly wasn't to a "caveman" state. The very first page describes the the steam engine boat used by the humans to help Born cross the lake.
A: In a later part of the book Didact says they brought them back and split them up so they were less likely to evolve up to their previous state again. They re evolved again and re established some low tech. This this is the first thing you might have obscurely got me on, although only on semantics.

Rings are fired last second, everything dies
The rings aren't fired (on a galactic scale) in this novel. Small, focused detonations were used by MB to free the captive (presumibly) and attack the Captial world.
A: A swing and a miss. I didnt say it was fired on a galactic scale. i said it was fired. I was liberal with with using the phrase "everything dies" meaning everything near the fired ring dies. Obviously everything didnt die, that would imply that every single thing in the entire universe died, which is silly and implausible.

Automated Forerunner Tech clones all life in the galaxy to start anew
This never occured in the novel.
A:Ill give this one. It didnt occur in the novel however it DID occur.

*Forerunners are arrogant and look down on all other species as inferior
This is considered stereotyping. The Forunners live in a caste system society, they some classes rank better or worse above others. To veiw an aggresive, greedy species has a "lesser" fits right in to their way of life, rather than proclaiming surperiority out of arrogance.
A:That doesnt excuse them from looking down on other species. I said they looked down on other species because they did.

*The flood in its original state was a organic, non living powder. No effect on living organisms except domestic pets. Made them more lively and better companions. After generations of breeding the long term genetically engineered effect kicked in causing them to mutate into what we now know as the flood.
Again, we can't be sure if this was the floods original form, though it was the first form we encounterd. On top of that, this 'initial' form of flood was more or less turning people into cannibals; they had no drive or desire to obtain information or form a critial biomass.
A: This is the origin of the flood. If you want to be picky you could also go to their molecular construction all the way back to the very first sample created in a precursor lab.

I dont mean to sound like an -blam!- in my reply, but your criticisms are very poor and hardly accurate.

  • 01.08.2011 8:22 PM PDT

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: Techno Greek
Posted by: mchalo and fries

Posted by: MegaMuffin16
I refuse to accept this as canon.


Too bad, its canon, whether you accept it or not.
Actually, it'll be about as easy to ignore as those Star Wars: Ewoks cartoons.

It makes about as much sense.
THANK you


Protip: He hasn't read the book either.
I've seen enough to consider it not worthy of the purchase-price.

I was unimpressed by the excerpts, and damn-near offended as a Halo fan at some of the summaries I'm seeing here in the forum.

  • 01.08.2011 8:23 PM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

Posted by: Techno Greek
I was unimpressed by the excerpts, and damn-near offended as a Halo fan at some of the summaries I'm seeing here in the forum.
Agreed 100%. I really found it to be a slap in the face to Halo fans with it's talk of "Humans and Prophets working together". Just plain corny honestly.

  • 01.08.2011 8:28 PM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

Posted by: privet caboose
Protip: He hasn't read the book either.
Protip: doesn't matter. Every single sentence the OP listed to summarize this book made me rage. Absolute crap and IMO a slap in the face to Halo fans. You get enraged by Reach, well this enrage's me.

  • 01.08.2011 8:30 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: Techno Greek
I was unimpressed by the excerpts, and damn-near offended as a Halo fan at some of the summaries I'm seeing here in the forum.
Agreed 100%. I really found it to be a slap in the face to Halo fans with it's talk of "Humans and Prophets working together". Just plain corny honestly.


You have no right to judge if you haven't read the book, you've no idea what you're even talking about. That's so out of context...

  • 01.08.2011 8:30 PM PDT

Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: Techno Greek
I was unimpressed by the excerpts, and damn-near offended as a Halo fan at some of the summaries I'm seeing here in the forum.
Agreed 100%. I really found it to be a slap in the face to Halo fans with it's talk of "Humans and Prophets working together". Just plain corny honestly.
I makes no damn sense.

It was pretty much implied since Halo 2 that the prophets stumbled across the Forerunner ruins long-ago and used them and the great-journey myth to brainwash the Elites to prevent being killed-off by them in the war between them and the Sangheli. Later, the Sangheli and the San'Shyum form the Covenant, and started enlisting species.

It's unnecessary and blatantly stupid to make a pre-activation Prophet-human alliance against the Forerunners and flood canon... I can't even begin to describe what this does to the universe. It's ridiculous.

  • 01.08.2011 8:33 PM PDT

While i like the direction the story has gone, i dont understand what everyone who doesnt like it plans to do. Its a part of the canon now, its official, theres nothing you can do about it. Your best bet is to just accept it for what it is and move on. I know its easier said than done, but just accepting it is the best way to go about this.

  • 01.08.2011 8:35 PM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

Posted by: mchalo and fries
While i like the direction the story has gone, i dont understand what everyone who doesnt like it plans to do. Its a part of the canon now, its official, theres nothing you can do about it. Your best bet is to just accept it for what it is and move on. I know its easier said than done, but just accepting it is the best way to go about this.
You gonna post the same thing in this thread?

  • 01.08.2011 8:36 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: Techno Greek
Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: Techno Greek
I was unimpressed by the excerpts, and damn-near offended as a Halo fan at some of the summaries I'm seeing here in the forum.
Agreed 100%. I really found it to be a slap in the face to Halo fans with it's talk of "Humans and Prophets working together". Just plain corny honestly.
I makes no damn sense.

It was pretty much implied since Halo 2 that the prophets stumbled across the Forerunner ruins long-ago and used them and the great-journey myth to brainwash the Elites to prevent being killed-off by them in the war between them and the Sangheli. Later, the Sangheli and the San'Shyum form the Covenant, and started enlisting species.

It's unnecessary and blatantly stupid to make a pre-activation Prophet-human alliance against the Forerunners and flood canon... I can't even begin to describe what this does to the universe. It's ridiculous.


You do understand that after the Halos fired, that the reseed San'Shyuum would have no knowledge of the Forerunner.

[Edited on 01.08.2011 8:37 PM PST]

  • 01.08.2011 8:37 PM PDT

"I makes no damn sense.

It was pretty much implied since Halo 2 that the prophets stumbled across the Forerunner ruins long-ago and used them and the great-journey myth to brainwash the Elites to prevent being killed-off by them in the war between them and the Sangheli. Later, the Sangheli and the San'Shyum form the Covenant, and started enlisting species.

It's unnecessary and blatantly stupid to make a pre-activation Prophet-human alliance against the Forerunners and flood canon... I can't even begin to describe what this does to the universe. It's ridiculous."

it doesnt change canon at all, this is a long time ago. Both humanity and the San Shyum were brought back quite a bit(technologically). After 50,000 years its pretty easy to lose knowledge of your past if everything you used to remember it is destroyed.

  • 01.08.2011 8:37 PM PDT


Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: mchalo and fries
While i like the direction the story has gone, i dont understand what everyone who doesnt like it plans to do. Its a part of the canon now, its official, theres nothing you can do about it. Your best bet is to just accept it for what it is and move on. I know its easier said than done, but just accepting it is the best way to go about this.
You gonna post the same thing in this thread?


Just cause it doesnt line up perfectly doesnt mean it isnt canon. Just accept it, your Halo has changed and there is nothing you or anyone else can do about it.

[Edited on 01.08.2011 8:42 PM PST]

  • 01.08.2011 8:40 PM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

Posted by: mchalo and fries

Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: mchalo and fries
While i like the direction the story has gone, i dont understand what everyone who doesnt like it plans to do. Its a part of the canon now, its official, theres nothing you can do about it. Your best bet is to just accept it for what it is and move on. I know its easier said than done, but just accepting it is the best way to go about this.
You gonna post the same thing in this thread?


Just cause it doesnt line up perfectly doesnt mean it isnt canon. Just accept it, your Halo has changed and their is nothing you or anyone else can do about it.
I could just ignore it. It's just like ignoring all the retarded Star Wars novels.

  • 01.08.2011 8:42 PM PDT


Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: mchalo and fries

Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: mchalo and fries
While i like the direction the story has gone, i dont understand what everyone who doesnt like it plans to do. Its a part of the canon now, its official, theres nothing you can do about it. Your best bet is to just accept it for what it is and move on. I know its easier said than done, but just accepting it is the best way to go about this.
You gonna post the same thing in this thread?


Just cause it doesnt line up perfectly doesnt mean it isnt canon. Just accept it, your Halo has changed and their is nothing you or anyone else can do about it.
I could just ignore it. It's just like ignoring all the retarded Star Wars novels.

You can ignore it, but you had better hope that no future installment includes anything you dont accept. It has some very minor retcons, but Bungie themselves said that new canon over rides old canon. Just dwelling in the past isnt going to get you anywhere. Im sorry if i came off as rude or anything but its pretty much true. If you dont accept it, eventually you will have to give up on the Halo story all together. Unless they further retcon this story in the future, which is a possibility.

  • 01.08.2011 8:47 PM PDT

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Techno Greek
Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: Techno Greek
I was unimpressed by the excerpts, and damn-near offended as a Halo fan at some of the summaries I'm seeing here in the forum.
Agreed 100%. I really found it to be a slap in the face to Halo fans with it's talk of "Humans and Prophets working together". Just plain corny honestly.
I makes no damn sense.

It was pretty much implied since Halo 2 that the prophets stumbled across the Forerunner ruins long-ago and used them and the great-journey myth to brainwash the Elites to prevent being killed-off by them in the war between them and the Sangheli. Later, the Sangheli and the San'Shyum form the Covenant, and started enlisting species.

It's unnecessary and blatantly stupid to make a pre-activation Prophet-human alliance against the Forerunners and flood canon... I can't even begin to describe what this does to the universe. It's ridiculous.


You do understand that after the Halos fired, that the reseed San'Shyuum would have no knowledge of the Forerunner.
I'm saying they never should have had any knowledge of them to begin with until coming across their ruins thousands of years after activation.

I'm saying that the story used to be cool, mysterious, and solid. Now there are intergalactic team-ups between humanity and the Prophets against the Forerunners and Flood thousands of years before the events of the games...

This is almost as bad as Halo: Legends. I never thought I'd say that.

Human-Prophet team-up = Nipples on the bat-suit. It's something to be ignored and forgotten as canon.

  • 01.08.2011 8:51 PM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

Posted by: mchalo and fries
The book just utterly disappointed me. The story was just not what I ever wanted out of the Halo Universe and, for me, kind of killed the mystery of the Precursor and Forerunner. What's left to be mysterious in the Halo canon? A stories with no questions are often left to be bland because fans cannot use their imagination. The magic of Halo CE becomes even more lost...more questions that were best left unanswered, have been answered. A story like Halo needs mystery, and without it, you, the player, feel even more and more pointless as you play the game.

[Edited on 01.08.2011 8:53 PM PST]

  • 01.08.2011 8:52 PM PDT


Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: mchalo and fries
The book just utterly disappointed me. The story was just not what I ever wanted out of the Halo Universe and, for me, kind of killed the mystery of the Precursor and Forerunner. What's left to be mysterious in the Halo canon? A stories with no questions are often left to be bland because fans cannot use their imagination. The magic of Halo CE becomes even more lost...more questions that were best left unanswered, have been answered. A story like Halo needs mystery, and without it, you, the player, feel even more and more pointless as you play the game.


I understand the feeling, the mystery is what helped make halo "halo". But dont worry, there are still lots of segways they could go to add mystery back. We still know very little about the precursors. What about a new mystery? a new race humanity discovers after the human-convy war. Something extra galactic? there are many more galaxies out there, trust me, there is plenty of mystery left to be told in the Haloverse.

  • 01.08.2011 8:59 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: mchalo and fries
The book just utterly disappointed me. The story was just not what I ever wanted out of the Halo Universe and, for me, kind of killed the mystery of the Precursor and Forerunner. What's left to be mysterious in the Halo canon? A stories with no questions are often left to be bland because fans cannot use their imagination. The magic of Halo CE becomes even more lost...more questions that were best left unanswered, have been answered. A story like Halo needs mystery, and without it, you, the player, feel even more and more pointless as you play the game.


1. You haven't read the book.
2. SOOO many new mysteries and questions popped up because of this book. You'd know that if you actually took the time to read it.

  • 01.08.2011 9:00 PM PDT

Hey MegaMuffin16 and TechnoGreek, need somethin'?

  • 01.08.2011 9:02 PM PDT

We believe that the universe is unbounded: this is not the same as infinite: the 2-D surface of a sphere, wrapped around a 3rd dimension, has a finite size, but has no end. If you start off in a given direction on the surface of a sphere, you could return to your start point without having to turn around -- you simply go all the way around. But wouldn't that mean the universe has an escape velocity like the earth?

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: mchalo and fries
The book just utterly disappointed me. The story was just not what I ever wanted out of the Halo Universe and, for me, kind of killed the mystery of the Precursor and Forerunner. What's left to be mysterious in the Halo canon? A stories with no questions are often left to be bland because fans cannot use their imagination. The magic of Halo CE becomes even more lost...more questions that were best left unanswered, have been answered. A story like Halo needs mystery, and without it, you, the player, feel even more and more pointless as you play the game.


1. You haven't read the book.
2. SOOO many new mysteries and questions popped up because of this book. You'd know that if you actually took the time to read it.

I have to agree with caboose on this one. Although I sensed slight outrage at some parts, you can only make an opinion if you've read the book, and excerpts are really an extreme minimality of making a view. Jesus, its like saying Toblerone is crap because it says it contains Nougat.

~B2

  • 01.08.2011 9:06 PM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

Posted by: mchalo and fries
I understand the feeling, the mystery is what helped make halo "halo". But dont worry, there are still lots of segways they could go to add mystery back. We still know very little about the precursors. What about a new mystery? a new race humanity discovers after the human-convy war. Something extra galactic? there are many more galaxies out there, trust me, there is plenty of mystery left to be told in the Haloverse.
It was the mystery of the past, not the present and the future, that made Halo for me. The echoes deep within the bowels of the Cartographer structure, the whistles of the Assault on the Control Room. It's the past of Halo that made me love it, and now, a lot of it really is gone. I would be much more accepting of a somewhat "radical" change if it was after Halo 3, instead of thousands of years before.

  • 01.08.2011 9:08 PM PDT

Anti-Teabag self-destruct mechanisms ftw


Posted by: mchalo and fries

Posted by: no name12222235
That precursor was the Gravemind that was fighting the the forerunners. That means that the flood is actualy contolled by precursers and the precursers created a way to rebuild themselves using the other living organisms. I don't have all the answers and we need the rest of the triligy released but the precurser/flood are actualy really related.

The precursor's tail also came out of his head and they are still humanoid just to point out. They also had 6 eyes and their head was described as being more like the body of a scorpion than a centipede. They are also huge compared to Forerunner/ human. We saw that on the halo 2 scene with the gravemind(Graveminds are similar if not are forerunners).


No, there was a gravemind already established before MB betrayed them, that means the precursor wasnt the gravemind. The first part of your post is 99% speculation. Where did we see in Halo 2 how big the Precursors were? People need to quit trying to come up with extreme plot twists and just accept that they are all different species. The precursors are their own species. The Forerunners are their own race. Humanity is its own race. The Flood is its own race(whatever it is)
Since mendicant dissapeared with the precursor from the planet where he was firing the halo test run, i would say it is safe to say that he was who mendicant was talking to.

In halo 2 you saw a gravemind which is essentialy what the precursors are. If Graveminds and precursors are one and the same then we saw one in the cutscene in h2.

I cant remember where but it said that mendicant was to talk to a gravemind and annalize it. I would say that if the precursor was imprisoned, and all of the things in the book forshadow him being part of the flood and the one that mendicant is cohorting with, it is fairly safe to say that he was the gravemind. Suck that speculation -blam!-.

  • 01.08.2011 9:13 PM PDT

Anti-Teabag self-destruct mechanisms ftw


Posted by: Techno Greek
Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Techno Greek
Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: Techno Greek
I was unimpressed by the excerpts, and damn-near offended as a Halo fan at some of the summaries I'm seeing here in the forum.
Agreed 100%. I really found it to be a slap in the face to Halo fans with it's talk of "Humans and Prophets working together". Just plain corny honestly.
I makes no damn sense.

It was pretty much implied since Halo 2 that the prophets stumbled across the Forerunner ruins long-ago and used them and the great-journey myth to brainwash the Elites to prevent being killed-off by them in the war between them and the Sangheli. Later, the Sangheli and the San'Shyum form the Covenant, and started enlisting species.

It's unnecessary and blatantly stupid to make a pre-activation Prophet-human alliance against the Forerunners and flood canon... I can't even begin to describe what this does to the universe. It's ridiculous.


You do understand that after the Halos fired, that the reseed San'Shyuum would have no knowledge of the Forerunner.
I'm saying they never should have had any knowledge of them to begin with until coming across their ruins thousands of years after activation.

I'm saying that the story used to be cool, mysterious, and solid. Now there are intergalactic team-ups between humanity and the Prophets against the Forerunners and Flood thousands of years before the events of the games...

This is almost as bad as Halo: Legends. I never thought I'd say that.

Human-Prophet team-up = Nipples on the bat-suit. It's something to be ignored and forgotten as canon.
OK the San shyuum and human aliance would have been something that existed in the same way as them and the elites. They needed things that the other had and so they did it. The humans had to fight the flood and forerunners and try to run from the infected worlds of the flood into forerunner territory. They needed help and the san shyuum are slippery bastards who will do anything to advance their place in the hierarchy of the universe. After they got beat by the forerunners because they were weakened by the flood, the aliance was split, the species had all memory and corelation with the other errased, and they got sepperated for over a hundred thousand years at which point they had no knowledge of each other or the forerunners in any way except for the ruins left on their planets.

  • 01.08.2011 9:19 PM PDT


Posted by: no name12222235

Posted by: mchalo and fries

Posted by: no name12222235
That precursor was the Gravemind that was fighting the the forerunners. That means that the flood is actualy contolled by precursers and the precursers created a way to rebuild themselves using the other living organisms. I don't have all the answers and we need the rest of the triligy released but the precurser/flood are actualy really related.

The precursor's tail also came out of his head and they are still humanoid just to point out. They also had 6 eyes and their head was described as being more like the body of a scorpion than a centipede. They are also huge compared to Forerunner/ human. We saw that on the halo 2 scene with the gravemind(Graveminds are similar if not are forerunners).


No, there was a gravemind already established before MB betrayed them, that means the precursor wasnt the gravemind. The first part of your post is 99% speculation. Where did we see in Halo 2 how big the Precursors were? People need to quit trying to come up with extreme plot twists and just accept that they are all different species. The precursors are their own species. The Forerunners are their own race. Humanity is its own race. The Flood is its own race(whatever it is)
Since mendicant dissapeared with the precursor from the planet where he was firing the halo test run, i would say it is safe to say that he was who mendicant was talking to.

In halo 2 you saw a gravemind which is essentialy what the precursors are. If Graveminds and precursors are one and the same then we saw one in the cutscene in h2.

I cant remember where but it said that mendicant was to talk to a gravemind and annalize it. I would say that if the precursor was imprisoned, and all of the things in the book forshadow him being part of the flood and the one that mendicant is cohorting with, it is fairly safe to say that he was the gravemind. Suck that speculation -blam!-.


We have never seen one, Precursors and Gravemind are not one in the same. There was a gravemind already established when fighting the humans. A Gravemind is needed once it reaches its coordinated stage. The flood could have consumed the Precursor but that doesnt make him flood. The flood is simply a creation of the Precursors.

  • 01.08.2011 9:19 PM PDT