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One thing, everyone wasn't cloned. They were stored on the Ark. Then telported to earth, Doisac, Sagheilios, Balahoo, etc.

I know spelling is off.
The prophets were almost entirely cloned from the few (tens, hundreds, thousands?) San'shyuum that the Librarian saved prior to the master builder activating the Halo above their planet. That pretty much explains the breeding problems their species had (explained in Contact Harvest).

As for the other species...we don't know. There are obviously no Florians (hamanune) or other forms of humans (save for the chamanune) in the 26th century Halo Universe (well, florians reminded me of primates along the lines of chimps so maybe they were saved albeit at a loss of their "humanity"), so something obviously happened to the Human population (if only some and not all were saved and then cloned, it was evidently more than the prophets). I can't even begin to speculate on the Elites (no information) though they were obviously stored on the Ark as well.

I thought that the Florian's are us (you know -blam!- sapiens sapiens)?



The Florians live for hundreds upon hundreds of years. I doubt that's the particular sub-species modern humanity grew from.

  • 01.12.2011 12:01 PM PDT

Its called "in a nut shell" for a reason. Im not going into extreme depth on everything. I explained the biggest most essential parts of the story. Also, the Precursor is NOT the flood nor the Gravemind. He may have been consumed by the flood later, but he himself wasnt flood. The Captive was a precursor. The precursors crated the flood as a bio weapon.

  • 01.12.2011 4:19 PM PDT

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Its called "in a nut shell" for a reason. Im not going into extreme depth on everything. I explained the biggest most essential parts of the story. Also, the Precursor is NOT the flood nor the Gravemind. He may have been consumed by the flood later, but he himself wasnt flood. The Captive was a precursor. The precursors crated the flood as a bio weapon.


Where in the book does it say clearly (imply is not the same as 'clearly') state the Precursors created the Flood?

There are still two books to go and those two books can quite literally go in any direction regardless of what previous information implied as Cryptum has already proven.

  • 01.12.2011 4:28 PM PDT

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Through out the entire Halo Series it is alluded that Humanity are Forunners; at the end of Halo-3 Spark flat out says it to M.C. ,"You are the child of my makers. Inheritor of all they left behind. You are FORERUNNER!". Even Mechadent Bias in Contact Harvest admits as much to the Prophets. And now for whatever reason 343 decided to back tread on that major plot point, something I can't understand. I always thought the revelation that Humanity were the living descendants of Forerunners was an awesome plot twist. Now according to the new canon Forerunners and Humans are related due to genetic tinkering from intergalactic super intelligent Scorpion Aliens( Precursors) that forged them in their image?.............Wut? O.o


343 was rampant. That was implied many, many times.

Does MB say we're Forerunner? All I remember is him saying, "That is reclaimer"

Regardless, I, as well as many others, never once thought that Humans were Forerunner. That was a silly assumption I never understood people making.
The book was specific to hint that the forerunners and humans were brother species created by the precursors for some reason. The only difference between the original form of forerunners and humans were hair color. The reasons that forerunners got so different was that they mutate themselves many times. Their lifetimes and most differences were caused artificaly by them.


This is why i think the reason humans mentioned in the halo games as reclaimers, cheif and keyes, are reclaimers because theyre genetic make-up has been alterted by enhancements, puttin them back on par with the "further evolved" pre-human forrunner war humans.

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Where in the book does it say clearly (imply is not the same as 'clearly') state the Precursors created the Flood?

The Precursor say that his people's answer, their revenge, is at hand. At the same time, the Flood, together with MB, is attacking. Personally I think that's pretty solid. But sure, you can interpret it differently, but please if that's the case, share your theory.

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  • 01.13.2011 1:58 AM PDT

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What I don't understand is the "You are the child of my enemy." thing in H3.

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The last of the Forerunners repopulated the galaxy. They planted the seeds that would eventually evolve into us, humans yet again. Couldn't that be regarded as an act of giving birth? We are the children of the Forerunners, they created us, and trusted us to shoulder the Mantle.

  • 01.13.2011 5:13 AM PDT

Yea, the 2 remaining books are going to be crucial in fully understanding the story. Guess we will just have to wait and see. Does anyone know the release date of the next book?

  • 01.13.2011 7:55 AM PDT

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Oooo... That's a great point. I never thought of that. And was Keyes altered?
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Through out the entire Halo Series it is alluded that Humanity are Forunners; at the end of Halo-3 Spark flat out says it to M.C. ,"You are the child of my makers. Inheritor of all they left behind. You are FORERUNNER!". Even Mechadent Bias in Contact Harvest admits as much to the Prophets. And now for whatever reason 343 decided to back tread on that major plot point, something I can't understand. I always thought the revelation that Humanity were the living descendants of Forerunners was an awesome plot twist. Now according to the new canon Forerunners and Humans are related due to genetic tinkering from intergalactic super intelligent Scorpion Aliens( Precursors) that forged them in their image?.............Wut? O.o


343 was rampant. That was implied many, many times.

Does MB say we're Forerunner? All I remember is him saying, "That is reclaimer"

Regardless, I, as well as many others, never once thought that Humans were Forerunner. That was a silly assumption I never understood people making.
The book was specific to hint that the forerunners and humans were brother species created by the precursors for some reason. The only difference between the original form of forerunners and humans were hair color. The reasons that forerunners got so different was that they mutate themselves many times. Their lifetimes and most differences were caused artificaly by them.


This is why i think the reason humans mentioned in the halo games as reclaimers, cheif and keyes, are reclaimers because theyre genetic make-up has been alterted by enhancements, puttin them back on par with the "further evolved" pre-human forrunner war humans.

  • 01.13.2011 12:29 PM PDT

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Where in the book does it say clearly (imply is not the same as 'clearly') state the Precursors created the Flood?

The Precursor say that his people's answer, their revenge, is at hand. At the same time, the Flood, together with MB, is attacking. Personally I think that's pretty solid. But sure, you can interpret it differently, but please if that's the case, share your theory.


Interpretations from a few lines is not the same as a few lines that clearly state a fact, which, is what I was asking for.

What you've posted is an assumption being that the prisoner's response is directly referring to the actions of MB and the Flood.

Rather strange personally considering that the encounter and dialogue stem from the memory of the original Didact's encounter 10,000 years with the prisoner. That's many many years before MB and the Flood started their major offensive against the Forerunners. Hell this was before the Flood attacked the Forerunners period as that occurs 300 years prior to present events in the book.

I present no theory. All I merely ask is clarification as to where in the book is a solid fact that says the Precursors created the Flood.

At present moment I'm getting rather irked at how many people in this thread are treating assumptions from the book as fact when we aren't even into the other two novels. It's getting almost as bad as reading a Halopedia article that cites irrelevant information as its source.

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So is the Captive (the last Precursor) in anyway associated with the Gravemind?



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  • 01.13.2011 2:31 PM PDT

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That clears up a lot of things. I might have to get this book. I didn't even know it came out.

  • 01.13.2011 2:42 PM PDT

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So is the Captive (the last Precursor) in anyway associated with the Gravemind?


I'm pretty sure the Precursor formed the first Gravemind, but I can't be sure.

  • 01.13.2011 2:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: WartHogRacerman3

Posted by: dibbs089
Posted by: egore11
One thing, everyone wasn't cloned. They were stored on the Ark. Then telported to earth, Doisac, Sagheilios, Balahoo, etc.

I know spelling is off.
The prophets were almost entirely cloned from the few (tens, hundreds, thousands?) San'shyuum that the Librarian saved prior to the master builder activating the Halo above their planet. That pretty much explains the breeding problems their species had (explained in Contact Harvest).

As for the other species...we don't know. There are obviously no Florians (hamanune) or other forms of humans (save for the chamanune) in the 26th century Halo Universe (well, florians reminded me of primates along the lines of chimps so maybe they were saved albeit at a loss of their "humanity"), so something obviously happened to the Human population (if only some and not all were saved and then cloned, it was evidently more than the prophets). I can't even begin to speculate on the Elites (no information) though they were obviously stored on the Ark as well.

I thought that the Florian's are us (you know -blam!- sapiens sapiens)?



The Florians live for hundreds upon hundreds of years. I doubt that's the particular sub-species modern humanity grew from.

Florians are a real life human subspecies that once lived...

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Why does everyone think they knew the truth about the forerunners? 343 was rampant, so he misjudged and thought some humans were forerunner. Even bungie has stated multiple times that 343 was confused!

He also said the child of my makers, so that could mean he was speaking in depth.

Anyway this is canon so accept it, or don't.

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  • 01.13.2011 4:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: WartHogRacerman3

Posted by: dibbs089
Posted by: egore11
One thing, everyone wasn't cloned. They were stored on the Ark. Then telported to earth, Doisac, Sagheilios, Balahoo, etc.

I know spelling is off.
The prophets were almost entirely cloned from the few (tens, hundreds, thousands?) San'shyuum that the Librarian saved prior to the master builder activating the Halo above their planet. That pretty much explains the breeding problems their species had (explained in Contact Harvest).

As for the other species...we don't know. There are obviously no Florians (hamanune) or other forms of humans (save for the chamanune) in the 26th century Halo Universe (well, florians reminded me of primates along the lines of chimps so maybe they were saved albeit at a loss of their "humanity"), so something obviously happened to the Human population (if only some and not all were saved and then cloned, it was evidently more than the prophets). I can't even begin to speculate on the Elites (no information) though they were obviously stored on the Ark as well.

I thought that the Florian's are us (you know -blam!- sapiens sapiens)?



The Florians live for hundreds upon hundreds of years. I doubt that's the particular sub-species modern humanity grew from.

Florians are a real life human subspecies that once lived...


yes but not the one that modern humanity evolved from...

  • 01.13.2011 4:17 PM PDT

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I hear you BTW, Kat is the worst AI I have ever had in my turret. The Elite who hi-jacked her was better!

I will chime in on the fact that everyone is crying foul about how the books states differently about humans being Forerunners.

First off, as some have pointed out, this is only the first book. We don't know what will happen.

My theory is that humans will be appointed the inheritors of the Forerunners and were granted the ability to use their technology. You have to remember that the Librarian installed humans with a geas so that they could assist Bornsteller at the proper time.

The same can be said for humans of the modern Halo time line. Humans had barely begun to discover and dig up Forerunner relics and artifacts. And they can operate some of the tech by sheer instinct. Not to mention the fact that humans use A.I.s, which obviously are the equivalent to Forerunner achillas.

I think everyone needs to wait until the other books come out. Because all this book did was set the stage for the Forerunner/Flood war.

  • 01.14.2011 4:17 AM PDT
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This is the best Halo book to come out in a long, long time to me. I have no idea how people are saying it's not canon. You are probably the same people saying that Reach was canon and could be explained.

I read the book as the Flood and the Precursors are the same. Guess we have to wait until the next two books come out. I can not wait.

  • 01.14.2011 12:22 PM PDT

I write for Geekscape.net, more specifically I write a column that goes by Teabag Prevention. Teabag Prevention does exactly what you think by providing tips. We've been around for a while, and now we're doing Reach tips. Go read 'em!

Captive = Gravemind

Before reading this book, I remember reading that Mendicant Bias spent some quality time with Gravemind. A visit to the Halo Wiki confirmed that. Yes, I know it's a wiki and blah blah blah, but I haven't read anything on there that has been drastically wrong.

Towards the end of the book, it is revealed that MB spent some time with the Captive upon releasing him on the plane he was held prisoner on.

  • 01.14.2011 1:17 PM PDT

Captive is NOT the Gravemind, he is just a precursor prisoner.

  • 01.15.2011 7:25 PM PDT
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After reading the book, I, too, suspect that the Captive is the Gravemind. It just fits in too well to not be true.

I'm still undecided as to whether the Flood is the Precursors, or the Flood consumes the Captive and in doing so becomes overwhelmed by its superior mind, thus creating the Gravemind we know today. Guess we'll have to find out.

  • 01.15.2011 7:46 PM PDT

I write for Geekscape.net, more specifically I write a column that goes by Teabag Prevention. Teabag Prevention does exactly what you think by providing tips. We've been around for a while, and now we're doing Reach tips. Go read 'em!

I think that's a good theory. I always assumed that the Flood gain knowledge by absorbing other beings, which in this case would be the Captive being absorbed by the Flood, thus creating Gravemind. Either way, I believe this Captive has something to do with Gravemind.

Another thing I wanted to point out was one of the descriptions Bear gave of the Captive. It was said that Humans would ask the Captive questions regarding morality or other complex questions. It then said something like the Captive would give confusing answers. My mind then reverted to how the Gravemind spoke. Gravemind has a way of saying things in a complicated fashion and I believe that particular description of the Captive was a strong hint at Gravemind.

  • 01.16.2011 1:56 AM PDT

Anyone know when the next book comes out?

  • 01.16.2011 12:38 PM PDT

I write for Geekscape.net, more specifically I write a column that goes by Teabag Prevention. Teabag Prevention does exactly what you think by providing tips. We've been around for a while, and now we're doing Reach tips. Go read 'em!

I believe they said around the holiday season for all three books. So I expect the next one around Dec./Jan '12. I could be wrong.

  • 01.16.2011 12:43 PM PDT

dang, i dont want to wait till next year to learn more =(

  • 01.17.2011 7:42 AM PDT