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Subject: **SPOILERS** Cryptum in a nutshell
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Wow, I can't believe people are getting upset over stuff being revealed that was mysterious. >.<

The same thing could be said about Halo 2.

I don't like Halo 2 because it ruined the mystery of the covenant's Government, politics and military!.

See how easy that was?

Here is another:

I don't like The Fall of Reach because it reveals the past of Master Chief.

I mean, we all wanted to know these things when Halo CE came out, and now people are angry because we know now some Info on the Forerunners and Flood.

Not to mention, now that we have a tiny bit of info on Precursors, we can be interested in the mystery of them.

  • 01.17.2011 8:50 AM PDT
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Posted by: mchalo and fries
Its called "in a nut shell" for a reason. Im not going into extreme depth on everything. I explained the biggest most essential parts of the story. Also, the Precursor is NOT the flood nor the Gravemind. He may have been consumed by the flood later, but he himself wasnt flood. The Captive was a precursor. The precursors crated the flood as a bio weapon.


Where in the book does it say clearly (imply is not the same as 'clearly') state the Precursors created the Flood?

There are still two books to go and those two books can quite literally go in any direction regardless of what previous information implied as Cryptum has already proven.


Not every single answer needs to be spelled out for it to be correct. He clearly said that he was a precursor and "our answer is at hand". what is more clear than that?


It is no differant than how we assume the Earth's sun in halo is still orange, yet i don't see people asking about that becuase it isn't strictly stated the sun is the same color.

Horrid example, i know; but the oint still stands.


Precursors made the forerunners, the forerunners rise up and fight the precursors. before they were wiped out the precursors created the flood to fight the forerunners.

and that is the story so far.

  • 01.17.2011 1:45 PM PDT

Blarg.

At first i was against the assumption that the Captive, aka the last Precursor, is related to the Flood, but I just realized something peculiar...

okay, so Mendicant Bias was sent to study the Flood. 43 years after that he comes back to destroy all Forerunners, due to (presumably) the Gravemind being very persuasive. MB had a Halo under his command. He was responsible for the test firing on Charum Hakkor, and therefore responsible for releasing the Captive.
Cryptum, p.307: "..the prodigal Halo has returned. Bearing what madness? The captive itself?"

In the Terminals, when MB talks to the Flood, he is identified as 05-032. When Guilty Spark accesses a Terminal, he is identified as 04-343.

Using all that, it's pretty clear that the Halo that Mendicant Bias controlled was Installation 05. 05 was the Halo he used to free the Captive, the Halo he had with him when he was talking to the Flood, the Halo that Born theorized had the Captive on board.

And in the bowels of what Installation did we find the Gravemind chillin' long after the Halos fired?

(i came when i realized this)


[Edited on 01.17.2011 2:50 PM PST]

  • 01.17.2011 2:45 PM PDT
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Ok, I have read the first few pages of this thread and there is something I still don't understand. What is the reason for the wars?

  • 01.17.2011 2:45 PM PDT

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At first i was against the assumption that the Captive, aka the last Precursor, is related to the Flood, but I just realized something peculiar...

okay, so Mendicant Bias was sent to study the Flood. 43 years after that he comes back to destroy all Forerunners, due to (presumably) the Gravemind being very persuasive. MB had a Halo under his command. He was responsible for the test firing on Charum Hakkor, and therefore responsible for releasing the Captive.
Cryptum, p.307: "..the prodigal Halo has returned. Bearing what madness? The captive itself?"

In the Terminals, when MB talks to the Flood, he is identified as 05-032. When Guilty Spark accesses a Terminal, he is identified as 04-343.

Using all that, it's pretty clear that the Halo that Mendicant Bias controlled was Installation 05. 05 was the Halo he used to free the Captive, the Halo he had with him when he was talking to the Flood, the Halo that Born theorized had the Captive on board.

And in the bowels of what Installation did we find the Gravemind chillin' long after the Halos fired?

(i came when i realized this)
Interesting. Of course, MB could have simply been using Pentient Tangent's identification. MB was a ridiculously powerful AI, and I'm sure he could have hacked into the system to allow it to identify him as Tangent. Tangent was destroyed, so his space was open.

I am very curious as to how the Captive will come into play in the other two novels. Maybe he is actually not a Precursor, maybe he is the Gravemind, who lied about Forerunners destroying the Precursors in order to tear them apart, thus making them easier to take over.

I don't know, it could be anything.

  • 01.17.2011 3:20 PM PDT

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I refuse to accept this as canon.


Too bad, its canon, whether you accept it or not.


Agreed.
It is canon.
And not bad canon either.
BULL. The story is crap.
YOUR MOTHER IS CRAP.
Don't -blam!- with Forerunners, bro.

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Posted by: the One Free Man
At first i was against the assumption that the Captive, aka the last Precursor, is related to the Flood, but I just realized something peculiar...

okay, so Mendicant Bias was sent to study the Flood. 43 years after that he comes back to destroy all Forerunners, due to (presumably) the Gravemind being very persuasive. MB had a Halo under his command. He was responsible for the test firing on Charum Hakkor, and therefore responsible for releasing the Captive.
Cryptum, p.307: "..the prodigal Halo has returned. Bearing what madness? The captive itself?"

In the Terminals, when MB talks to the Flood, he is identified as 05-032. When Guilty Spark accesses a Terminal, he is identified as 04-343.

Using all that, it's pretty clear that the Halo that Mendicant Bias controlled was Installation 05. 05 was the Halo he used to free the Captive, the Halo he had with him when he was talking to the Flood, the Halo that Born theorized had the Captive on board.

And in the bowels of what Installation did we find the Gravemind chillin' long after the Halos fired?

(i came when i realized this)
Interesting. Of course, MB could have simply been using Pentient Tangent's identification. MB was a ridiculously powerful AI, and I'm sure he could have hacked into the system to allow it to identify him as Tangent. Tangent was destroyed, so his space was open.

I am very curious as to how the Captive will come into play in the other two novels. Maybe he is actually not a Precursor, maybe he is the Gravemind, who lied about Forerunners destroying the Precursors in order to tear them apart, thus making them easier to take over.

I don't know, it could be anything.



I don't understand why people think a being eons old would lie about what it is, what could possably come out of that? It is a precursor, the only thing we have to sort out is how it and the gravemind are related in any way. becuase the didact did state the flood would Find a new master, so something isn't right.

And what could "it" have said to the humans that made them kill themselves? why hasn't anybody asked that question? what could be that bad?

  • 01.17.2011 3:40 PM PDT


Posted by: JFKES
Ok, I have read the first few pages of this thread and there is something I still don't understand. What is the reason for the wars?

basically while humanity was fighting the flood, they lost many pants, so they had to start occupying forerunner planets. obviously, the forerunners didn't like this, so they declared war on humanity. Since humanity couldn't defeat them alone, they made an alliance with the san shyumm.

  • 02.10.2011 10:27 AM PDT

I read the book as well.

WHy the hell were the rings allowed to be stationed outside the forerunner homeworld? It just seemed so ilogical and stupid for such an "Intelligent" species to just disregard. Weapons of mass destruction x11 and let's park them on our door step! 0_o

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  • 02.10.2011 11:32 AM PDT

I thought what i'd do is pretend I was one of those deaf mutes, or should I?

He did say that "our answer is at hand" but what a lot of people are forgetting, and someone in the thread has mentioned it already, is that this is one of the Didacts memories from thousands of years ago. The Flood being their answer is a very cool idea but as stated the "Flood powder" has an unknown origin. It isn't dead certain that the Flood was the Precusors creation though I like to believe at this stage that it is. Also at this point we are fairly certain that the captive is a Precursor but his description doesn't fit that of the Gravemind. The Precursor allowing himself to become it does seem to fit nicely though...

  • 02.10.2011 4:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: JFKES
Ok, I have read the first few pages of this thread and there is something I still don't understand. What is the reason for the wars?

basically while humanity was fighting the flood, they lost many pants, so they had to start occupying forerunner planets. obviously, the forerunners didn't like this, so they declared war on humanity. Since humanity couldn't defeat them alone, they made an alliance with the san shyumm.


Well, they already had an alliance with the San Shyumm. Their real downfall was that they were fighting a two front war, and had lost around 1/3 of their population to the Flood even though their technology was practically the same.

  • 02.10.2011 5:04 PM PDT

Trussingdoor is pretty kewl. He fires lasers and doesn't afraid of anything.


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forunners create dinosaurs, forunners kill dinosaurs, forunners create man, man kills forerunners, man creates dinosaurs
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  • 02.10.2011 5:05 PM PDT

Trussingdoor is pretty kewl. He fires lasers and doesn't afraid of anything.

Wow. I really used to think the Forrunners were pretty advanced and civilised. 'Turns out they, along with the Precursors, were pretty bad. And now I suddenly have some respect for the San'Shyuum, too. Too bad we probably won't get to see them fighting in any halo games for the forseeable future.

  • 02.10.2011 5:13 PM PDT
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Just call me Najar.

Sure, i prefered it the old way. But either way, this book is one hell of a story, it's good.

But i'd have preffered this way. (Next text is not canon)
Precursos get themselves destroyed by a civil war and they die. Before their inminent extintion they create the forerunners, a race that will take their place in the universe. The forerunners then start building worlds and amazing stuff like that. And they find hummanity in their beginnings, so they teach them and threat them like their sons.
Then the flood appears, the flood starts spreading and the forerunners defend themselves and hummanity, so as a last resort they send hummanity to the ark and they activate the rings. BOOM! everything is gone, and hummanity returns to earth.
Everything pointed it was that way... *Sigh*
But well... it doesn't matter, this story is also good, i guess.

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I just finished the book and this is definitely my favourite of all of them. It was such a unique and refreshing experience when compared to the other books.

I was angry when the Librarian stated near the end that it was rumored the Didact was executed. I really wanted to learn more about him and now I feel like we won't get the chance. I know we'll know his memories from Bornstellar but I kind of wanted learn every thing directly from him.

Can't wait for the next book to come out.

  • 02.10.2011 8:41 PM PDT

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Anyone else ever wonder what it's like for two elcor to do the nasty?

"Tentatively excited: Oh. Oh. Oh. Right there."

Yeah me neither.

Wow this is all bombshell news to me! I was not aware of this book and the information it contained about the Halo universe, history ect. This has reignited my love for Halo lore like back during the Halo 2 days.

After reading through this thread I will definitely be buying this book soon.

  • 02.10.2011 9:58 PM PDT

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Still reading the book, but thanks for the heads up.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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I am going to say what i THINK the deal is with the "prisoner".


I think that it is a precursors that allows itself to be infected inorder to become the gravemind or help the mind develop. the was once suspected years ago that this might be the true origins of such a flood form.

the precursor allows itself to be infected so it can control the flood against the forerunners, seeing how the flood that is fought 100,000 years later is completly differant than the forms fought in the past.

Or the gravmind is actually the "super gravemind" that was hinted at...

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So the Precursor's were not 'humanoid' in any way and were more insect based?

Weird.

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Hey private caboose. I knew you were on the edge of abandoning Halo forever. Its good to see you liked Cryptum.

It truly is a wonderful book.

The mysteries of the Precursor prisoner.. what if it is actually a criminal from the precursor era? What if it actually started the war that caused the Forerunner to drive them out? There are so many possibilities here.


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