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Subject: Where did the flood really come from

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Posted by: MegaMuffin16
I like the theory that the Precursor created them as a sentient intelligence that got out of control.

Every dead body would be dumped to The Flood, their knowledge would be combined into a mass grave, the Grave Mind. This blobs purpose was to know everything. Every. Single. Thing. That could be known. But will The Flood was sentient and intelligent, Gravemind was still an AI. And like other AI, he went rampant.

Evolving into metastability Gravemind realized The Flood is alive and he wanted more knowledge. So he exterminated the Precursor, and so forth.

Snakie's theory was great. Unfortunately, Cryptum has proven it incorrect.
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  • 03.15.2011 6:29 PM PDT

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And I am not afraid
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And this time none of you will be left behind

A long time ago in a galaxy far far away..

  • 03.15.2011 8:56 PM PDT

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Look, My belief is always the precursors were working on creating life or something, and made the flood. They kept in a powder state (As seen in cryptum), and when the forerunners killed them off they released it to get revenge.

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When a mummy Flood and a daddy Flood...

  • 03.16.2011 12:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: Multijirachi
Look, My belief is always the precursors were working on creating life or something, and made the flood. They kept in a powder state (As seen in cryptum), and when the forerunners killed them off they released it to get revenge.

Sounds believable.

  • 03.16.2011 12:19 AM PDT
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no id never belive that precursors would release flood to destroy forerunners ....it would been against their mantle ..the one they gave to the foreruners and it wasnt them they knew that if they would destroy the whole galaxy or even everything possible in space...to defeat the things they created ..and got defeated ...they would need a power much more stronger then they are...i also refuse to belive that every precursor was wiped out ...they had power beyond imagning the foreruners where their sons so they knew how to defeat them ....and i think the precursors would not destroy the work they have done after so much even after a defeat ...i am also sure the precursors are still alive because they rechead tier 0 even before the war ....a coloney has went to another galaxy ...same as i think with the forerunners they also went tier 0 before the great war...they also went to another galaxy ....maybe even meeting the precursors ...and the humans are as same as strong as forerunners because...the humans lost against forerunner war but the forerunners gained huge losses ...and humans have been a whole tier lower than forerunners means if humans would had more time to be tier 0 then the forerunners woulve been destroyed

  • 03.16.2011 5:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
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First off, I havent read Cryptum. All things that I have read points to Extra-galactic, and on that theory, I have concluded that there IS a great journey, that the precursors took to the Flood galaxy where they found the flood, killed and exported them, and went their merry way as "gods." This idea explains the lack of a second Gravemind.


The only reason we thought the Flood was extra galactic was because of the Terminals in Halo 3, in which their true origins were not revealed.

The Great Journey was the Didact going to activate the Halo Rings and "following in Their footsteps" after.

The Precursors created the Flood as their answer to the Forerunners for destroying them, of course there are many people here who will immediately start disagreeing with me on this because they cannot seem to interpret the Prisoner's speech to the Didact properly.


Or the flood are the true "Anti-Life" and the precursors just let them loose from somewhere. seeing as how the first ships were stated to have came from the smaller nearby galaxy's near the milky way.


The Magellanic Clouds, correct?

  • 03.16.2011 10:05 AM PDT

Posted by: Changsta inc
Racism isn't wrong if it's funny.

I believe that this new Halo: Cryptum book says that the Precursors created the Flood to punish the Forerunners. But that wouldn't make sense then considering that the Forerunners lived peacefully for thousands of years after the Precursors before the Flood entered the scene.

-n

  • 03.16.2011 10:26 AM PDT


Posted by: Nannerpus
I believe that this new Halo: Cryptum book says that the Precursors created the Flood to punish the Forerunners. But that wouldn't make sense then considering that the Forerunners lived peacefully for thousands of years after the Precursors before the Flood entered the scene.

-n


It never explicitly stated that, it's only a fan theory that the Precursors created the Flood for revenge on the Forerunners. The Precursors creating the Flood for some odd purpose that may have been intended for something benevolent or at least neutral, and then got out of hand because it was used improperly. However I do not think they made the Flood for revenge on the Forerunners, I just think it a little odd.

  • 03.16.2011 10:32 AM PDT

Posted by: Changsta inc
Racism isn't wrong if it's funny.

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Posted by: Nannerpus
I believe that this new Halo: Cryptum book says that the Precursors created the Flood to punish the Forerunners. But that wouldn't make sense then considering that the Forerunners lived peacefully for thousands of years after the Precursors before the Flood entered the scene.

-n


It never explicitly stated that, it's only a fan theory that the Precursors created the Flood for revenge on the Forerunners. The Precursors creating the Flood for some odd purpose that may have been intended for something benevolent or at least neutral, and then got out of hand because it was used improperly. However I do not think they made the Flood for revenge on the Forerunners, I just think it a little odd.


That doesn't make sense. The Precursors are too smart for that. I'm sayin' if it isn't in one of the games, take it in stride.

-n

  • 03.16.2011 10:49 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

Yea and if the flood really is a weapon from the precursors to attack the Forrunners then why does it attacks all sentients as well.

  • 03.16.2011 10:53 AM PDT


Posted by: Nannerpus
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Posted by: Nannerpus
I believe that this new Halo: Cryptum book says that the Precursors created the Flood to punish the Forerunners. But that wouldn't make sense then considering that the Forerunners lived peacefully for thousands of years after the Precursors before the Flood entered the scene.

-n


It never explicitly stated that, it's only a fan theory that the Precursors created the Flood for revenge on the Forerunners. The Precursors creating the Flood for some odd purpose that may have been intended for something benevolent or at least neutral, and then got out of hand because it was used improperly. However I do not think they made the Flood for revenge on the Forerunners, I just think it a little odd.


That doesn't make sense. The Precursors are too smart for that. I'm sayin' if it isn't in one of the games, take it in stride.

-n


That's why I think them creating the Flood for revenge is a little absurd, I'm open to the idea of them creating the Flood though, since the parasites origins has changed slightly. And I'm pretty sure that not matter what the Flood's original purpose was, Humanity was probably misusing it, so it's no wonder it evolved into an evil galaxy eating parasite.

  • 03.16.2011 11:40 AM PDT

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Oh I thought you meant the Flood forum, and it was going to be a joke. Not the actual Flood, I don't know...
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  • 03.16.2011 12:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: FTW 1997
no id never belive that precursors would release flood to destroy forerunners ....it would been against their mantle ..the one they gave to the foreruners and it wasnt them they knew that if they would destroy the whole galaxy or even everything possible in space...to defeat the things they created ..and got defeated ...they would need a power much more stronger then they are...i also refuse to belive that every precursor was wiped out ...they had power beyond imagning the foreruners where their sons so they knew how to defeat them ....and i think the precursors would not destroy the work they have done after so much even after a defeat ...i am also sure the precursors are still alive because they rechead tier 0 even before the war ....a coloney has went to another galaxy ...same as i think with the forerunners they also went tier 0 before the great war...they also went to another galaxy ....maybe even meeting the precursors ...and the humans are as same as strong as forerunners because...the humans lost against forerunner war but the forerunners gained huge losses ...and humans have been a whole tier lower than forerunners means if humans would had more time to be tier 0 then the forerunners woulve been destroyed


First off if you haven't even read cryptum you shouldn't even be trying to converse on the subjects because you just won't be able to fully understand anything that is being talked about. Secondly alopecia has still yet to fully post and re-write everything in light of cryptum so your pretty much eating cold food. Now to your post.


I want to say stop with the childish "I don't want to believe nor will I accept" canon is canon and cryptum is arguably the best source of new canon we have as of now if not to date.
I don't want to mix my own personal theory's in with the facts or the allowed hypothetical's but I'll address so in this correction.

It is clearly stated by the captive (which we as of now must assume is a precursor) that the forerunners were created by them, something the forerunners had suspected; being said since humanity and forerunners are closely related genetically the same can be said for humans. The Mantle should be taken as lightweight seeing how the forerunners themselves abuse it and we don't even know the true contents of the original mantle if there was even such seeing how a lot of info got distorted over time.
That being said we are also going to have to accept that the forerunners did indeed wipe out the precursors using their own tech against them. Technological tiers mean nothing when your own weapons are being used against you, which is the only viable method we have of saying how the precursors were destroyed

While you are right on the fact that initially the precursors probably didn't fight back, it is only natural to do so when your existence is threaten which is called self- preservation. So off the little knowledge we know we can assume that the precursors created the flood or released them from somewhere as a last ditch attempt to destroy the forerunners (similar to the humans destroying all flood research knowledge to spite the forerunners). And I am glad you brought up random babble about other galaxy's because

Theory I have been speculating for a long time that the humans and forerunner (especially humans) didn't originate from the milky way but were created by the precursors in another galaxy. The 2 races in this galaxy probably aren't the same faction of ones that fought against the precursors in their original home galaxy. This is hinted slightly as the forerunners (to the best of their technology) only speculated Earth to be our homeworld and in the Terminals with didact stating "genocide larger than [this galaxy] . End theory

The humans were stated by didact to be on the same tier as the forerunners, the only reason they lost the war is because they were fighting the flood at the same time and were down to 1/3 of their population. Even then they gave the forerunners nearly 100 years of hell (50 years of probing, 50 years at charum hakkor) and did great losses, The didact himself doesn't even know what the outcome would have been if it was a true fair war.


So as I have said before Read the damn book, not halopedia


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Posted by: Nannerpus
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Posted by: Nannerpus
I believe that this new Halo: Cryptum book says that the Precursors created the Flood to punish the Forerunners. But that wouldn't make sense then considering that the Forerunners lived peacefully for thousands of years after the Precursors before the Flood entered the scene.

-n


It never explicitly stated that, it's only a fan theory that the Precursors created the Flood for revenge on the Forerunners. The Precursors creating the Flood for some odd purpose that may have been intended for something benevolent or at least neutral, and then got out of hand because it was used improperly. However I do not think they made the Flood for revenge on the Forerunners, I just think it a little odd.


That doesn't make sense. The Precursors are too smart for that. I'm sayin' if it isn't in one of the games, take it in stride.

-n


That's why I think them creating the Flood for revenge is a little absurd, I'm open to the idea of them creating the Flood though, since the parasites origins has changed slightly. And I'm pretty sure that not matter what the Flood's original purpose was, Humanity was probably misusing it, so it's no wonder it evolved into an evil galaxy eating parasite.


Peacefully? You mean by not allowing any races to fully devolop, scolding the ones that have for being "inferior", and de-evolving a race they disliked at the first chance they got and not even fixing the problem once they knew they were wrong? And that's effin "peaceful" to you?

If the forerunners were this cocky and arrogant millennia later I could only imagine how bad it was when they were first created. I compare it to the Older and younger brother in naruto, in which the sage of the six paths (precursors)picked the younger brother (humanity) to take his place ("mantle") the older brother (forerunners) were jealous and hated the younger brother for that which resulted in the descends of the two always fighting for a birth right.

Not exactly the same but it's a pretty good analogy for the events. And its is explicitly stated by the prisoner that "our answer is at hand" which was said to didact during the human-flood war so he has to be talking about the flood. So the fan theory is pretty well supported until the next book comes out.


@ ajw34307


And yes the magellnic clouds, thank you.

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your right

  • 03.17.2011 12:55 PM PDT

Posted By: grey101
Peacefully? You mean by not allowing any races to fully devolop, scolding the ones that have for being "inferior", and de-evolving a race they disliked at the first chance they got and not even fixing the problem once they knew they were wrong? And that's effin "peaceful" to you?

If the forerunners were this cocky and arrogant millennia later I could only imagine how bad it was when they were first created. I compare it to the Older and younger brother in naruto, in which the sage of the six paths (precursors)picked the younger brother (humanity) to take his place ("mantle") the older brother (forerunners) were jealous and hated the younger brother for that which resulted in the descends of the two always fighting for a birth right.

Not exactly the same but it's a pretty good analogy for the events. And its is explicitly stated by the prisoner that "our answer is at hand" which was said to didact during the human-flood war so he has to be talking about the flood. So the fan theory is pretty well supported until the next book comes out.


Wait what? I'm completely confused by your first paragraph now, where did that come from? Was it supposed to addressed to someone else? It doesn't really seem to fit with what I said :/

I didn't say anything about peace in my post. All I said was I though the Precursors creating the Flood for revenge was a little absurd, them possibly bearing a grudge against the Forerunners, sure somewhat plausible, but the Flood as their revenge, not that plausible to me. I'm sure the idea the Mantle was used by the Precursors, or thought up in part by them, and the Flood are the complete opposite of the Mantle. Why would the Precursors, even if they wanted revenge, create something that is the complete opposite to what they believed? Why would they create an all consuming parasite that could easily, and did, run rampant and destroy everything fore revenge on one species?

I just don't agree with this particular fan theory, there are way too many variables to take into account that can vastly change the equation. I will wait for the next book and then we'll see, until then, I will not outright reject the idea of the Flood being Precursor revenge, but I will view it with a great deal of skepticism.

  • 03.17.2011 1:15 PM PDT

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I believe they are from another galaxy. 1- imagine what that galaxy was like trying to fight off the flood, and how did it (they?) even evolve in the first place? 2- The Halo encyclopedia sates that the the final stage was the intergalactic stage. How in the world would this be assumed if it hadn't happened before?
Honestly, no one truly knows. According to Cryptum
SPOILERS
, humanity found a cure for the flood, but for some reason, it wasn't used by the forerunners when the REAL outbreak began.

  • 03.17.2011 3:55 PM PDT

What a waste....

Halo Cryptum basically says they're Precursor. Either that or they just are random.

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Posted By: grey101
Peacefully? You mean by not allowing any races to fully devolop, scolding the ones that have for being "inferior", and de-evolving a race they disliked at the first chance they got and not even fixing the problem once they knew they were wrong? And that's effin "peaceful" to you?

If the forerunners were this cocky and arrogant millennia later I could only imagine how bad it was when they were first created. I compare it to the Older and younger brother in naruto, in which the sage of the six paths (precursors)picked the younger brother (humanity) to take his place ("mantle") the older brother (forerunners) were jealous and hated the younger brother for that which resulted in the descends of the two always fighting for a birth right.

Not exactly the same but it's a pretty good analogy for the events. And its is explicitly stated by the prisoner that "our answer is at hand" which was said to didact during the human-flood war so he has to be talking about the flood. So the fan theory is pretty well supported until the next book comes out.


Wait what? I'm completely confused by your first paragraph now, where did that come from? Was it supposed to addressed to someone else? It doesn't really seem to fit with what I said :/

I didn't say anything about peace in my post. All I said was I though the Precursors creating the Flood for revenge was a little absurd, them possibly bearing a grudge against the Forerunners, sure somewhat plausible, but the Flood as their revenge, not that plausible to me. I'm sure the idea the Mantle was used by the Precursors, or thought up in part by them, and the Flood are the complete opposite of the Mantle. Why would the Precursors, even if they wanted revenge, create something that is the complete opposite to what they believed? Why would they create an all consuming parasite that could easily, and did, run rampant and destroy everything fore revenge on one species?

I just don't agree with this particular fan theory, there are way too many variables to take into account that can vastly change the equation. I will wait for the next book and then we'll see, until then, I will not outright reject the idea of the Flood being Precursor revenge, but I will view it with a great deal of skepticism.


I miss read your post as saying the forerunners were peaceful, my mistake.

I like you said there are other variables to take into account. Maybe precursors created more life than the forerunners and the forerunners turned the entire galaxy against the precursors which prompted the flood. And the Mantle should be taken lightly seeing how we really don't know what it is at all, and how knows how bad the forerunners might have twisted its original meaning.

  • 03.18.2011 5:46 AM PDT

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I say a petri dish. But from the knowledge that I've learned, The Precursors made the flood to kill the forerunners.

  • 03.18.2011 6:07 AM PDT


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Posted By: grey101
Peacefully? You mean by not allowing any races to fully devolop, scolding the ones that have for being "inferior", and de-evolving a race they disliked at the first chance they got and not even fixing the problem once they knew they were wrong? And that's effin "peaceful" to you?

If the forerunners were this cocky and arrogant millennia later I could only imagine how bad it was when they were first created. I compare it to the Older and younger brother in naruto, in which the sage of the six paths (precursors)picked the younger brother (humanity) to take his place ("mantle") the older brother (forerunners) were jealous and hated the younger brother for that which resulted in the descends of the two always fighting for a birth right.

Not exactly the same but it's a pretty good analogy for the events. And its is explicitly stated by the prisoner that "our answer is at hand" which was said to didact during the human-flood war so he has to be talking about the flood. So the fan theory is pretty well supported until the next book comes out.


Wait what? I'm completely confused by your first paragraph now, where did that come from? Was it supposed to addressed to someone else? It doesn't really seem to fit with what I said :/

I didn't say anything about peace in my post. All I said was I though the Precursors creating the Flood for revenge was a little absurd, them possibly bearing a grudge against the Forerunners, sure somewhat plausible, but the Flood as their revenge, not that plausible to me. I'm sure the idea the Mantle was used by the Precursors, or thought up in part by them, and the Flood are the complete opposite of the Mantle. Why would the Precursors, even if they wanted revenge, create something that is the complete opposite to what they believed? Why would they create an all consuming parasite that could easily, and did, run rampant and destroy everything fore revenge on one species?

I just don't agree with this particular fan theory, there are way too many variables to take into account that can vastly change the equation. I will wait for the next book and then we'll see, until then, I will not outright reject the idea of the Flood being Precursor revenge, but I will view it with a great deal of skepticism.


I miss read your post as saying the forerunners were peaceful, my mistake.

I like you said there are other variables to take into account. Maybe precursors created more life than the forerunners and the forerunners turned the entire galaxy against the precursors which prompted the flood. And the Mantle should be taken lightly seeing how we really don't know what it is at all, and how knows how bad the forerunners might have twisted its original meaning.


Ah ok, honest misunderstand then :) It's k, no worries, bro.

My personal view of the Forerunners is pretty much how I view Humanity, as a whole neutral, IE they can swing either good or bad. I know they're certainly not perfect, actually, you could probably say they're exactly the same as humans morally, you'll find your heroes, and you'll find your villains, but the average j\Joe is probably neither hero or villain. Though I agree that they do seem to be a very arrogant race, which only makes sense, considering they're the most powerful force in the galaxy at that time.

Of course, the current idea of the Mantle is probably not what the Precursors held as their view, if the idea originated with them at all (I'm inclined to believe it had its origins with them). To me the root belief of the Mantle seems to be one of life being sacred, so to speak, and I'd imagine that would have probably come from the Precursors, and then corrupted by the Forerunners or gradually skewed it in some way to justify their war against their makers.

The only idea I find iffy about the Precursors creating the Flood is for revenge, they may have created the powder that started it all, and who knows what its purpose really or originally was. I'm sure it was not meant to make pets more docile and eventually turn them into the ancestors of the Flood, but who knows, the Flood Powder could have been meant for anything.

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