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Subject: When will the military finally use full face covering helmets, etc

Looking at an odst, you see they have a full head covering helmet, and some sort of bulletproof padding on their arms, forearms and legs.

In modern day military their faces are completely exposed, their arms and legs are ompletely vulnerable to getting blown off.

I wonder why they dont have full coverage helemts and arm/legs kevlar of some sort? I know kevlar is heavy, but would even some very thin kevlar over the extremities save a lot of soldiers their limbs? It wouldn't stop a bullet, but it might save the soldiers their limbs from being blown off. Same with the face mask. Might not stop a bullet, but would provide some amount of safety...not completely from bullets but from shrapnel, dust, glass, etc. Save some people their eyes. It would also probably intimidate the enemy if the military was to be faceless.

[Edited on 01.13.2011 4:14 PM PST]

  • 01.13.2011 4:13 PM PDT

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I cant wait untill get a force who's armor is like the ODST's.

  • 01.13.2011 4:15 PM PDT

Yes... I can dodge ducks... and slow moving bullets.

Money most likely

  • 01.13.2011 4:15 PM PDT
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Kevlar is almost ancient and military contractors have developed dragon skin, it can with stand 7.12mm rounds at automatic, 9mm and basic NATO ammo.
Dragon skin is only for the chest area, full face helmets are a big question though because if they use them it would cost the companys at least 50 dollars more to add a polarized visor and built in radio, arms and legs technology, I don't know, maybe in 500 years we have mjolnir armor.
But it just comes down to how much the government wants to spend on it's military.

  • 01.13.2011 4:21 PM PDT

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Probally like crimson said money, but also the fact that it would greatly restrict the peripheral vision of a soldier.

Just put your hands where the ODST helmet and visor come together, it takes away a lot of the vision from the sides, which would prove bad in an ambush situation where you may be flanked. That would be fixed with a personal radar like REACH has but the tech to make a personal radar has not been made and/or functional right now.

In order for you to be able to see all around, the visor/helmet would have to be an "EVA" like helmet...and that is a big target. (i mean c'mon in Team Swat It is like a target painted on your face:)

And the problem with EVA is that if it were to shatter then it would really mess up the wearers face and or kill the wearer. Plus we do not know of a usable visor "glass"(or what ever it is made off) right now. Bullet resistant, aka BulletProof, is too thick and is impractical in this situation.


Now dont get me wrong, I would love an ODST style helmet, but with the tech we have now not only is it impractical and dangerous, but also it is not cost effective either.

Sam

[Edited on 01.13.2011 4:32 PM PST]

  • 01.13.2011 4:24 PM PDT

I never said use a odst helmet, that was just an example. A Mk V or Mk VI helmet gives full periph vision. But surely they wouldnt be using a visor from a video game so it's completely besides the point.

And really? the helmet shattering? I'm sure there technology to make visors that don't shatter and even if they do shatter its because a bullet hits then. Would you either have some shattered glass type material in your face or a goddamn bullet?

  • 01.13.2011 4:28 PM PDT
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Yes because all military contractors are gonna use glass, Id use a thin bit of plastic sheeting ( not to thin u break it with ease, as soon as you get resistance) as an inner layer, the outer layer can also be thin polarized plastic with a mix of glass within the outer layer

  • 01.13.2011 4:35 PM PDT

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And really? the helmet shattering? I'm sure there technology to make visors that don't shatter and even if they do shatter its because a bullet hits then. Would you either have some shattered glass type material in your face or a goddamn bullet?


You do understand that the windshield of a car is made of shatter resistant glass, and if you have ever seen a police shootout before, you know that the front windshield of even a police car is turned in Swiss cheese.
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To answer your second question neither, but which would hurt less? Trick question. The bullet still kills you either way, unless you are very very lucky, and if you are very very very lucky then you should choose the latter due to the fact that you would only have a bullet hole instead of a need for facial reconstruction surgery due to the shrapnel in your face.

  • 01.13.2011 4:45 PM PDT

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Yes because all military contractors are gonna use glass, Id use a thin bit of plastic sheeting ( not to thin u break it with ease, as soon as you get resistance) as an inner layer, the outer layer can also be thin polarized plastic with a mix of glass within the outer layer


Please note that I not only quoted glass, but also made a note of saying that I did not know what it is made of. Thanks

Sam

  • 01.13.2011 4:47 PM PDT
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If you've ever been paint-balling / airsofting, you'll be able to attest to how much visibility is restricted by helmets.

  • 01.13.2011 4:58 PM PDT

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Any full-face covering that would offer legitimate protection would restrict visibility, and possibly breathing to a certain degree.

  • 01.13.2011 5:04 PM PDT

Yeah, i wouldent imagin this technology being to far off, except personal radar, but im not so shure about the restriction of visibility with certain helmets. The ODST helmet has a moderate sized visor and i dont think it would limit vision by much (( i Have made a pepakura ODST helmet and without the visor part and its not bad actually )) i think fitting all the radio gear and stuff to prevent overheating would be harder.

  • 01.13.2011 5:48 PM PDT

I think that they are trying to work on something like that, but it's not very advanced. In reality, some helmets, like a Roman soldier's helmet have great protection to the face.

Simply take a bit off the sides for peripheral vision, and put a football helmet's chinstrap for lower face protection; then, put it into some sort of resilient hard material, and put a visor in.

  • 01.13.2011 6:48 PM PDT

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Closest we will ever get is likely the WWI trenches.

  • 01.13.2011 6:58 PM PDT

I'd like to see how much kevlar would stop a .50 caliber round. Realistically, that's the only kind of bullet that would blow a limb off.

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I would create my own militia all clad black in armour like ODST and send them out to destroy someone who opposes my will

  • 01.13.2011 7:09 PM PDT

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Probally like crimson said money, but also the fact that it would greatly restrict the peripheral vision of a soldier.

Just put your hands where the ODST helmet and visor come together, it takes away a lot of the vision from the sides, which would prove bad in an ambush situation where you may be flanked. That would be fixed with a personal radar like REACH has but the tech to make a personal radar has not been made and/or functional right now.

In order for you to be able to see all around, the visor/helmet would have to be an "EVA" like helmet...and that is a big target. (i mean c'mon in Team Swat It is like a target painted on your face:)

And the problem with EVA is that if it were to shatter then it would really mess up the wearers face and or kill the wearer. Plus we do not know of a usable visor "glass"(or what ever it is made off) right now. Bullet resistant, aka BulletProof, is too thick and is impractical in this situation.


Now dont get me wrong, I would love an ODST style helmet, but with the tech we have now not only is it impractical and dangerous, but also it is not cost effective either.

Sam

  • 01.13.2011 7:12 PM PDT

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Kevlar would not prevent any loss of limbs at all you could cut Kevlar with scissors so a shrapnel goes through it easy in fact Kevlar isn't really meant to stop bullets like in the movies in real life it just slows them down so when they enter the body they don't do as much damage.

The amount of Kevlar it takes to stop a rifle round such as the 7.62x39 (round used in the AK-47) would be far too encumbering also the Marines and Army are already issued body armor but most don't use it because it's just annoying to deal with trust me

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  • 01.13.2011 7:26 PM PDT
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Money. They don't want to buy a soldier armor for a million dollers and then he dies the next day and the enemy gets it.

  • 01.13.2011 7:29 PM PDT

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Once we get more technologically advanced and have the money to produce such things.

  • 01.13.2011 7:40 PM PDT

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A fullface helmet would also risk the soldier of overheating, and all helmets are prone to steaming up too. A helmet would also restrict peripheral vision and hearing.

There are also social disadvantages. Squad members would find it harder to instinctively spot their fellow squadmates or read body language from each other which is very important. Also its hard to strike up relationships with local citizens if you are faceless.

  • 01.13.2011 8:35 PM PDT

Money, restricted vision and hearing, and it's heavy and hot. ODST Battle Armor has a built in cooling and warming systems.

  • 01.13.2011 8:54 PM PDT

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Two biggest reasons why they don't use them. Visibility, which directly impacts the next reason. The overall safety of the wearer when their vision is restricted.

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  • 01.13.2011 8:56 PM PDT

Whens there's no one to turn to, just aim ahead


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Any full-face covering that would offer legitimate protection would restrict visibility, and possibly breathing to a certain degree.


Can't see them snipers!

  • 01.13.2011 8:57 PM PDT

Whens there's no one to turn to, just aim ahead

Only effective helmet I could think of would be the Mandalorian helmets in Starwars. 360 degree field of vision.

  • 01.13.2011 8:58 PM PDT

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