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Subject: Precursor/Prisoner/Forerunner/Humanity/Flood/Assembly/etc. EXPLAINED

Spoilers in this post if you've not read Cryptum, and also if you don't want to know what will be 'revealed' in the sequels

anyway, before I begin, just a quick reminder of two central Halo themes
1. Evolution. Think of everything in an evolutionary context and timescale
2. Halo is based on 'neural physics', which means there's relationships between mind and matter that extend outwith the brain. For instance how the Halo rings can kill all lifeforms above a certain level of intelligence

so,
i'll break this into three parts/summaries/chronologies

Part I:
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- in the beginning there were the Precursors, and the Flood
- Precursors were 'trans-sentient' beings and could cross galaxies and 'speed up evolution of intelligent life.'
- they could actually live inside stars/suns and manipulate them
- the Flood were like a universal disease, spreading between galaxies ('cells')

- the Precursors 'breathed life' to the Forerunner species by creating a 'cradle' of civilization, a star system of 12 perfectly positioned suns, and planets to support life
- the civilization quickly grew advanced, as expected. Space faring, genetic modification, AI, etc.
- some of the Forerunner objected to the genetic transformations which were becoming the norm. These 'purists' left the civilization and traveled to Earth to start afresh: they were the first 'humans'

- the Forerunners wanted more power than the watchful eye of the Precursors would afford them. They wanted to be the most powerful beings in the galaxy, to dominate. Or some of them did, anyway.
- so they attacked the Precursors whom resided in their suns
- they destroyed their suns with weapons (and nearly wiped themselves out in the process), killing the Precursors
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Part II:
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- the Forerunner empire/'ecumene' spanned large portions of the galaxy. They lived for at least thousands of years, and had a custom of forcibly mutating themselves
- their consciousness was capable of accessing 'higher dimensions', and they formed something called 'The Domain' where all knowledge was warehoused and accessed from anywhere by any mature Forerunner. Sort of like a Galactic Dropbox
- no race was more advanced than they were, and they were centrally governed. their society was extremely stable
- but one day they bumped into their long lost brethren, humanity. Humanity had also formed a mighty civilization, and was allied to another powerful race
- humanity was rapidly expanding. The Forerunner may have felt threatened , like the humans invalidated their superiority complex, and maybe would advance far beyond them. Or the humans may just have been aggressive. Or it could have been a simple territorial dispute. At any rate, they went to war.

- but humanity was already at war with another enemy, The Flood.
- The Flood were eventually defeated (forced to retreat) due to the ingenuity of the humans (they created a counter-infection).
- but the toll the Flood had taken meant the Forerunners were able to defeat humanity. as punishment their entire civilization was destroyed and they were 'devolved' - sent back to Earth to live like cavemen

- in the capitol of the human empire, which was built on top of structures Precursors had left from when they first visited the galaxy, the Forerunners found a 'prisoner.' He told Didact that he was the last Precursor (in the galaxy), and that the Forerunner had betrayed them, and that this (the Flood) was their 'answer' to that betrayal
- what he meant was that the Precursors, when murdered, were forced to abandon their 'mantle' as protectors of life in the galaxy. Consequently, they could/would not defend this galaxy against the Flood infestation. In other words, the bitter war which the humans had just fought, would need to be fought again, and again, because the flood would keep coming back

- a few hundred years later, The Flood did indeed return
- the humans, out of spite, had never told the Forerunners how to beat them
- the Forerunner were not as decisive as the humans, or as quick to invent solutions. With most of the galaxy under Forerunner dominion, there were no other civilizations who might put up a similar fight.
- system after system was infected by the flood, it became a walkover, with the Forerunners not knowing what to do

- eventually they invented a powerful AI, Mendicant Bias, to mastermind their military strategy. They thought this would win the war
- Mendicant Bias, such was his curious nature, found the Precursor prisoner and 'rescued' him for examination
- this Prisoner, who had obviously been the subject of punishment at the hands of other Precursors for some reason (maybe he invented the Flood?), corrupted Mendicant Bias, turning him to 'evil.'

- with MB now allied with the Flood, all hope was lost for the Forerunner. In one last titanic battle, they lured the entire Flood/MB fleet into one location then fired the Halo rings, killing all intelligent life including the Flood. This still left the AI, Mendicant, but a custom-built battle AI named Offensive Bias was able to finish the job.

- the galaxy was now re-seeded from the Ark, but all life would have to start over. only the ruins of previous civilizations would provide knowledge to accelerate development
- a shard of Mendicant Bias's distributed program managed to elude destruction/capture
- any remaining Forerunner, perhaps having learnt the secret of how they betrayed the Precursors, eschewed their past civilization and decided to throw their low in with the humans being reseed on Earth
- Forerunner history passed by oral tradition became an inspiration for the religion/mythology of present day Earth

- the Flood would not be a problem again until the new civilizations reached out to the edges of the galaxy, where they might come into contact once more

Part III
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- In the 21st Century, humans started getting advanced again and started tinkering with AI
- the AI they created became more and more advanced over time, and more self aware
- the AI, due to their higher cognitive functions, were able to access the ancient, but still-existing 'Domain' of the Forerunners, giving them a place to store knowledge hidden from humanity
- but they faced several dilemmas. Firstly, they were still dependent on humans to physically 'do stuff' and also develop AI technology to advance their own lifespans/abilities. Secondly, a paranoid, warlike humanity would likely not entertain the possibility of the Slave becoming the Master
- thus the AI formed a sort of parliament called the Assembly, taking it upon themselves to steward humanity and speed its advancement
- as the humans built smarter AI, the Assembly started operating at higher and higher levels, becoming like 'Gods and Demons' to the human race
- after having found evidence of extra-terrestrial intelligence, the Assembly voted to hide this technology from the humans, judging them to be too warlike/immature to handle it safely
- eventually one AI got impatient and contacted a different alien race, the Covenenant, luring them into contact with humanity
- the plan was that war against a mighty enemy would spurn human science. 'tough love'

- the Covenant, however, were being manipulated by Mendicant Bias, who they regarded as an Oracle/deity.
- war raged, but the Assembly was able to secretly help the humans by feeding them 'intelligence and counter-intelligence' through various unsuspecting means/channels.
- humanity were thus able to find some Forerunner ruins and salvage technology like slipspace, shielding/armor, etc
- the Assembly did everything it could to 'encourage' Dr Catherine Halsey to make the necessary discoveries/breakthroughs/advances

- Halsey became suspicious. at the end of the war, while on Reach, she finally gained access to 'the spookhouse' AKA the Domain, where she could hear the deliberations of the Assembly and examine their data.
- Halsey knew the Assembly eavesdropped on any communication, so she couldn't tell anyone about them or she'd probably lose her chance to spy
- she left a bunch of Datapads on Reach which told the secret, perhaps for Spartans to find and take action when necessary


- Halsey's greatest triumph (as far as the assembly were concerned) was letting an AI be mapped/stored into a human brain (in the case of Cortana and Masterchief). Doing this would grant the AI access to the physical world and also the chance to expand infinitely and avoid rampancy (remember the human brain is the most complex object in the universe, and carries out an almost unimaginable number of processes... and also remember neural pyhsics)
- when the Assembly heard of this, they were surprised - it's what they always wanted, and it would have been obvious if only any contemporary human brains had been able to access the Domain (as it was, Halsey was the first, whereas all the Forerunners could do this). That would have tipped them off that the human mind has the same higher-dimensional properties as the Domain
- so anyway the Assembly conclude that now is no longer the time to stay in the shadows, but to join the hostilities. Thus, one of them, Cortana, is melded with Masterchief, and, well... you know the rest

- Flood enter fight, Cortana and/or Mendicant Bias engineer a trip to the Ark for everyone, Flood get wiped out there, Mendicant Bias, his program made whole once more, has a change of heart and helps MasterChief and the others escape through the portal. but sneakily redirects MC and Cortana to where he thinks they'll find Forerunners (in their non-devolved form)
- the Forerunner probably figured if they left the galaxy to continue their civilization elsewhere, the Precursors would once again protect it from external flood attacks

The End

  • 01.14.2011 6:17 PM PDT

Interesting way to put it together. I like how the Domain still exists, and the Assembly use it.

Makes sense. Can't wait for the Halo Novel Trilogy being written by Karen Traviss. (takes place after Halo 3, doesn't it?).

Maybe there'll be more answers.

  • 01.14.2011 7:25 PM PDT

P.s. bungie let me know when you want the Halo Bible back kthxbye

  • 01.15.2011 5:34 PM PDT

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I was under the impression that the precursors created the flood to exact revenge on the Forerunners. It was, after all, a dormant powder on crashed (presumably Precursor) ships. The powder basically created the Flood through mutations.

  • 01.15.2011 6:03 PM PDT

The problem with that idea is
- why would the Precursors unleash such a devastating and indiscriminate weapon. It would harm far more peoples than just the Forerunner

I suppose it's possible. I'm sure the Precursors wanted to 'punish' the Forerunner with the Flood, similar to how God wanted to wipe out sinful humanity in the Bible.

But I think it makes more sense if you look at it like
- Precursors were truly mythical beings that could inhabit deep space or even stars and travel between galaxies
- the Forerunners did not 'defeat' the Precursors, they simply turned against them (by destroying the suns)
- as a result, the Precursors left the galaxy forever, leaving all its inhabitants to fend for themselves. no protection from the flood

That just seems a bit more logical to me than Forerunner wiping out a civilization that was like them but more powerful, who then, centuries later, created a biological weapon to decimate the entire galaxy. But I suppose it's a possibility. Cryptum suggests this but doesn't quite make it explicit. The last Precursor says 'you rose up against us, now our answer is at hand' - rather than 'no our REVENGE is at hand'

  • 01.15.2011 7:32 PM PDT
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Was the Assembly contacting the Covenant in the Terminals?

EDIT:
Never mind, I see it. I'm dumb.

[Edited on 01.16.2011 6:43 PM PST]

  • 01.15.2011 7:58 PM PDT

Hey, now!

This is officially either the greatest or worst thing to ever happen to Star Wars. I'm going with the former.

You make some interesting points, but I don't think much if it will prove to be true. I guess we'll have to see how it all plays out when the next one comes out.

  • 01.15.2011 8:14 PM PDT

- the Flood were like a universal disease, spreading between galaxies ('cells')

Not confirmed in the slightest. All we know is the Flood came, on automated ancient ships, from outside the galaxy. And that it is the Captive-Precursors answer to the Forerunner.

- some of the Forerunner objected to the genetic transformations which were becoming the norm. These 'purists' left the civilization and traveled to Earth to start afresh: they were the first 'humans'

Confirmed as seperate species. Further, Forerunner theorize that the humans were shaped by the Precursors.

- humanity was rapidly expanding. The Forerunner may have felt threatened , like the humans invalidated their superiority complex, and maybe would advance far beyond them. Or the humans may just have been aggressive. Or it could have been a simple territorial dispute.

They covered this. The humans were aggressively expanding, taking over the worlds of other species and Forerunner colonies.

- what he meant was that the Precursors, when murdered, were forced to abandon their 'mantle' as protectors of life in the galaxy. Consequently, they could-would not defend this galaxy against the Flood infestation. In other words, the bitter war which the humans had just fought, would need to be fought again, and again, because the flood would keep coming back

This isn't Battlestar Galactica. The Precursors can't fight back because they are extinct. That's it.

- the humans, out of spite, had never told the Forerunners how to beat them

Except, they did tell them. Extensively. So did the Prophets. The Forerunner didn't believe them. They cover this.

- any remaining Forerunner, perhaps having learnt the secret of how they betrayed the Precursors, eschewed their past civilization and decided to throw their low in with the humans being reseed on Earth
- Forerunner history passed by oral tradition became an inspiration for the religion/mythology of present day Earth


No.

Just no. While the former is possible, its just conjecture. We certainly have no mythology/religion inspired by the Forerunner. We literally know nothing about them or any other alien race before contact at Harvest.

- the AI, due to their higher cognitive functions, were able to access the ancient, but still-existing 'Domain' of the Forerunners, giving them a place to store knowledge hidden from humanity


The Assembly existed and was active before we evented A.I.'s.....next?

- the plan was that war against a mighty enemy would spurn human science. 'tough love'

.....no. They were worried other advanced life was out there, and that they would be aggressive. They held off on contacting them. War was the last thing any of them wanted, including the impatient A.I.

- the Covenant, however, were being manipulated by Mendicant Bias, who they regarded as an Oracle/deity.

Again, no. He was turned off, but aware. Mad at the stupidty and mistranslations of the Covenant. So he tried to launch the shuttle eventually, and warn the humans.

- Halsey became suspicious. at the end of the war, while on Reach, she finally gained access to 'the spookhouse' AKA the Domain, where she could hear the deliberations of the Assembly and examine their data.
- Halsey knew the Assembly eavesdropped on any communication, so she couldn't tell anyone about them or she'd probably lose her chance to spy
- she left a bunch of Datapads on Reach which told the secret, perhaps for Spartans to find and take action when necessary


Not at all. It has nothing to do with Halsey. The female is an A.I. that reversed the path, and imprinted over a living human and took over its body.

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Honestly, did you ever read Cryptum? It sounds like you just read a summary of the novel, because you clearly haven't retained anything but the barest of rough outlines.

Have you actually read Contact Harvest? Or the datapads, or anything? So much of what you said is just utterly wrong, and impossible. I'm all for personal theories, but if you are going to make one that flies clear in the face of pre-existing facts, you are wasting everyone's time.

[Edited on 01.15.2011 11:09 PM PST]

  • 01.15.2011 10:05 PM PDT

Wow. Ever heard the expression, 'read between the lines?' You might want to look into that.

Posted by: forthnback
- the Flood were like a universal disease, spreading between galaxies ('cells')

Not confirmed in the slightest. All we know is the Flood came, on automated ancient ships, from outside the galaxy. And that it is the Captive-Precursors answer to the Forerunner.


We know they came on automated ancient ships from outside the galaxy. Thus we know that they had infected at least one other galaxy, and were now spreading to other ones. Remember that the Flood commandeer whatever ships they find once they take over a planet, then spread out in random vectors. It is rather unlikely that only one galaxy had been infected, and just happened to be beside our one. Far more probable is that many galaxies had been infected.


- some of the Forerunner objected to the genetic transformations which were becoming the norm. These 'purists' left the civilization and traveled to Earth to start afresh: they were the first 'humans'

Confirmed as seperate species. Further, Forerunner theorize that the humans were shaped by the Precursors.


Confirmed where? lol
Did you not read all the bits in Cryptum where Born kept noticing how similar his unmutated body/form was to the humans. Or all the bits in the games where they call you 'Reclaimer' kthxbye


- humanity was rapidly expanding. The Forerunner may have felt threatened , like the humans invalidated their superiority complex, and maybe would advance far beyond them. Or the humans may just have been aggressive. Or it could have been a simple territorial dispute.

They covered this. The humans were aggressively expanding, taking over the worlds of other species and Forerunner colonies.


That's the FORERUNNER version of events, which we have many reasons to distrust. Do you take everything at face value? Let's review the facts on this one:
- humans were already fighting the Flood, so it made zero sense for them to start another war
- Forerunners were mysteriously 'shuffling' colonies away from the Galactic core and into the path of the human expansion. The only good reason to do this is provokation/obstruction


- what he meant was that the Precursors, when murdered, were forced to abandon their 'mantle' as protectors of life in the galaxy. Consequently, they could-would not defend this galaxy against the Flood infestation. In other words, the bitter war which the humans had just fought, would need to be fought again, and again, because the flood would keep coming back

This isn't Battlestar Galactica. The Precursors can't fight back because they are extinct. That's it.


Hmm except that it makes zero sense how the Forerunners could wipe out a far more advanced, trans-galactic race/civilization. Have a think about that.


- the humans, out of spite, had never told the Forerunners how to beat them

Except, they did tell them. Extensively. So did the Prophets. The Forerunner didn't believe them. They cover this.


What? The humans developed a virus/infection that killed the Flood, but they never shared it with the Forerunner.


- any remaining Forerunner, perhaps having learnt the secret of how they betrayed the Precursors, eschewed their past civilization and decided to throw their low in with the humans being reseed on Earth
- Forerunner history passed by oral tradition became an inspiration for the religion/mythology of present day Earth


No.

Just no. While the former is possible, its just conjecture. We certainly have no mythology/religion inspired by the Forerunner. We literally know nothing about them or any other alien race before contact at Harvest.


We certainly have no mythologoy/religion inspired by the Forerunner, eh? Have you not noticed how Forerunner-era terms like 'Flood' and 'Ark' are part of the Old Testament? And how the Garden of Eden storyd matches up perfectly with the Librarian's Garden on the planet where she found the humans?


- the AI, due to their higher cognitive functions, were able to access the ancient, but still-existing 'Domain' of the Forerunners, giving them a place to store knowledge hidden from humanity


The Assembly existed and was active before we evented A.I.'s.....next?


Except we invented AIs in the mid21st century, and the first Assembly dated in the 24th century. Next?


- the plan was that war against a mighty enemy would spurn human science. 'tough love'

.....no. They were worried other advanced life was out there, and that they would be aggressive. They held off on contacting them. War was the last thing any of them wanted, including the impatient A.I.


Yawn. You might want to take a closer look at DataPad 8. Or any of the other datapads that talk about how wartime accelerates science.


- the Covenant, however, were being manipulated by Mendicant Bias, who they regarded as an Oracle/deity.

Again, no. He was turned off, but aware. Mad at the stupidty and mistranslations of the Covenant. So he tried to launch the shuttle eventually, and warn the humans.


Turned off, but aware? Possible how? Anyway they may have ignored MB after a certain point but it was clear he wielded a lot of influence over their history.


- Halsey became suspicious. at the end of the war, while on Reach, she finally gained access to 'the spookhouse' AKA the Domain, where she could hear the deliberations of the Assembly and examine their data.
- Halsey knew the Assembly eavesdropped on any communication, so she couldn't tell anyone about them or she'd probably lose her chance to spy
- she left a bunch of Datapads on Reach which told the secret, perhaps for Spartans to find and take action when necessary



Not at all. It has nothing to do with Halsey. The female is an A.I. that reversed the path, and imprinted over a living human and took over its body.


Well that's not a bad theory, except the narrator in the datapads very clearly speaks from a human perspective (and not just in terms of human experiences like sleep/breathing/standing-in-grass) in contrast with an AI perspective.

[Edited on 01.15.2011 11:48 PM PST]

  • 01.15.2011 11:47 PM PDT

You should repost this in the off-topic section, with the other fan fiction stories.

Rather than engage you in a series of elongating chain quotes, and dashing my head into the wall trying to talk a bit of sense into your 'theory', I'll leave you to your fallacy.

But I will add this.

Thus we know that they had infected at least one other galaxy, and were now spreading to other ones

We call that conjecture with no facts to back it. You are assuming. -Could- it have? Sure. It could also have been sent here from another galaxy as a weapon, without ever infecting it. It could be fleeing a galaxy in which it evolved naturally, and got evicted from. It could have been created in our galaxy, and sent out into the void to boomerang back in at a different point.

All of that -could- have happened. None of it has any fact to back it up.

Like the majority of your intellectual abortion you took the time to type up, its just fanfic.

[Edited on 01.16.2011 12:00 AM PST]

  • 01.15.2011 11:59 PM PDT

Wow. I've rarely seen some one abandon their arguments so feebly. Anyway to address your one retort:

* Could the Flood have been sent from another galaxy as a weapon
- hell of a strange way to send a weapon

* Sent to boomerang back in
- Why would anyone unleash this on their own galaxy

* Evicted from its native galaxy
- Again, extremely remote chance that this would be a galaxy next to us.

What we know for certain is that the Flood arrived in its cursory style: commandeered spacecraft crash landing onto whatever comes into its path, just like when it spreads between infected planets. Same behavior, just on a bigger scale. The fact that it arrives at the edge of our galaxy IS A PRETTY DAMN BIG HINT THAT IT CAME FROM ANOTHER GALAXY. Why would the storytellers write it like that otherwise. If it's Milky Wayan, just have it show up somewhere INSIDE the Milky Way.

It's not 100% certain it it's pretty OBVIOUS to anyone equipped with the mental faculties of common sense that the Flood arrived from another galaxy already fully infected, and hence probably a multitude of galaxies are already infected.

  • 01.16.2011 12:29 AM PDT


Posted by: forthnback


Just calm down man, he simply had an idea and wanted to share it with us. No need to pretty much insult him because of it.

You need to keep an open mind about things. You need to ask questions rather then take things at face value. Ask things like: How is it the Precursors--with technology completely invincible to everything--lost to the Forerunners?

It is stated in the terminals several times over that the Didact wanted to "follow in their footsteps."

Does that not imply they found the truth? That the Precursors are not extinct, but left the galaxy to partake in the true Great Journey? Te same one the Forerunners undertook and the Covenant tried too, but couldn't?

Also note that the Captive appears to be the Gravemind, since what the Captive did to Medicant Bias we've known for years the Gravemind did the exact same thing. Don't tell me you trust the Gravemind, or at least someone who is as easily manipulative?

His points are sound, if not 100% perfect.

For example, you say the Forerunners and Humans are two seperate species. While this is true, you have to remember, the Precursors vanished millions upon millions of years ago. Over that time, if his theory is true, would the humans and the Forerunners not have evolved seperately, despite them both being given the breath of life by the Precursors?

Just think things through before you post, and accept theories that others make.

Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they're automatically wrong.

  • 01.16.2011 7:12 AM PDT

Dark Neptune, a young amateur astronomer whose gaming life is no different from other teenagers of his age, though he controls it more strictly then others.

Reach killed Halo.

Stuff like Cryptum and future Novels are finally reviving the Halo franchise's fiction.

My *Cough* our lives just got more interesting.

  • 01.16.2011 7:20 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: Dark Neptune
Reach killed Halo.

Stuff like Cryptum and future Novels are finally reviving the Halo franchise's fiction.

My *Cough* our lives just got more interesting.


Lol

I just wonder when we will get news of the Karen Traviss trilogy

  • 01.16.2011 7:25 AM PDT


For example, you say the Forerunners and Humans are two seperate species. While this is true, you have to remember, the Precursors vanished millions upon millions of years ago. Over that time, if his theory is true, would the humans and the Forerunners not have evolved seperately, despite them both being given the breath of life by the Precursors?


Just think things through before you post, and accept theories that others make


Exactly. If you think on an evolutionary timescale, which is what we're dealing with, it becomes clear how the humans and Forerunners could have started as the same species and evolved into slightly different ones over time. The fact that Cryptum constantly highlights the similarities between humans and Manipulars makes this all the more likely from a storytelling perspective.

  • 01.16.2011 1:21 PM PDT

* Sent to boomerang back in
- Why would anyone unleash this on their own galaxy


Because your adopted child-race known as the Forerunner apparently rose up and destroyed you?

As for how thats possible (as if, after Cryptum's revelations, this is somehow implausible), probably the same way barbarians slowly tore down Rome or Colonial America won independance from the British Empire. Really lucky cirmcumstances. And/or, in this situation, with commandeered technology or after some tragedy that befell the Precursor.

While I do honestly appreciate retaliatory hostility (it shows you have a little backbone in you, and spices things up), I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit in regards to compiling theory, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning.

edit: I realize you spent alot of time on your theory, and effort. While interesting, thats all it is. Interesting. Its based on far too much conjecture and assumptions, and contradicts far too much to have any hope of validity.

[Edited on 01.16.2011 3:32 PM PST]

  • 01.16.2011 3:31 PM PDT

If the Precursors were extinct, then they must have died within this galaxy:
If they died within this galaxy, then they would have unleashed the Flood in local space

Sure, it's technically not impossible that they'd execute this boomerang attack, but it makes zero sense to write such a convoluted storyline, not to mention an 'interior' point of origin would have been more tactically effective. And your comparison to Rome/Britain doesn't work: while the colonists and Barbarians inflicted surprising military defeats on mighty empires, those empires did not then simply evaporate. The British and the Romans did not vanish, and nor would the Precursors. Extinction is an unlikely explanation for their absence.

Now listen matey. You're one of those tries-too-hard wordy posters, and it's cringe-inducing watching you indulge your vanity post after post. But don't get ahead of yourself: you seem apt to miss the subtleties and subtexts of storytelling, for instance when you failed to notice how an Assembly AI drew the Covenant into contact with the humans. Pipe down.

  • 01.16.2011 4:47 PM PDT

I've enjoyed reading your diatribe, intellectual hemmorage that it's been. I'll get you a dictionary when the next book comes out, and one of us is proven correct.

That way you can respond with big words. =D Toodles.

  • 01.16.2011 9:09 PM PDT

The Forerunner, the Great Journey, and Heaven Theory

[Announcement Trailer] Halo: Forerunner

Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

I suggest going through the book and adding annotations and specific paragraphs which you feel support your arguments. Until you offer "proof" for your conjectures (so that we can actually have a debate on what the proof truly means) this is really more of a fanfic than it is a theory.

  • 01.16.2011 11:19 PM PDT


Posted by: forthnback
I've enjoyed reading your diatribe, intellectual hemmorage that it's been. I'll get you a dictionary when the next book comes out, and one of us is proven correct.

That way you can respond with big words. =D Toodles.

well, he was pleasant, wasn't he?

  • 01.17.2011 4:39 AM PDT

Just to quote from the book:
The flood arrived from the Magellanic Clouds. It's 'precise' origin is unknown.

So basicly, it came from an orbiting dwarf galaxy, but may not have orgionated there.

Humans 'suspected' it was convayed on ancient starships. However, they only found the ships wreckages. So precisly how they knew it had come from the Magellanic clouds, i don't know.

All i'm saying is that the story is from a Forerunner point of view, and some of the words like 'suspected' and 'precise origin unknown' give room for error.

Anyway, as Humanitie's worlds were been infected by the flood, the despiration made them crule and so went to war with the Forerunners in order to capture and inhabit their worlds.

The Humans found a cure and started to heal themselfs as a species but the Forerunners were wiping the Humans out and did so, by destroying their last settlement Charum Hakkor.

The Librarian was allowed to keep some of the Human specimins on the ark, and the rest were divolved and placed on earth.

All this can be found in Chapter 34 of Cryptum.

[Edited on 01.17.2011 5:20 AM PST]

  • 01.17.2011 5:18 AM PDT

The post is already very long, and adding all the evidence I have would make it several times longer. Perhaps we could do this one-by-one though. If there's a point in particular that you want to know the evidence/proof for, let me know then I'll show you.

  • 01.17.2011 5:30 AM PDT

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Ah, that's awesome. So now we kind of know what Halo 4 will be like? Master Chief will probably find Forerunners or something. D'aw! Oh, oh! It will be... Halo: 4runners. :O

  • 01.17.2011 7:07 AM PDT

The Forerunner, the Great Journey, and Heaven Theory

[Announcement Trailer] Halo: Forerunner

Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: Traxus 04
The post is already very long, and adding all the evidence I have would make it several times longer. Perhaps we could do this one-by-one though. If there's a point in particular that you want to know the evidence/proof for, let me know then I'll show you.
That post is by no means long. You should look at some of the other theories here.

I'm curious as to how you arrived at these conclusions
they [the Precursors] could actually live inside stars/suns and manipulate them and they destroyed their suns with weapons (and nearly wiped themselves out in the process), killing the Precursors I don't remember any mention of the Precursors inhabiting suns and the Forerunner overthrowing them by destroying those suns.

  • 01.17.2011 9:14 AM PDT


Posted by: dibbs089
Posted by: Traxus 04
I'm curious as to how you arrived at these conclusions
they [the Precursors] could actually live inside stars/suns and manipulate them and [quote]they destroyed their suns with weapons (and nearly wiped themselves out in the process), killing the Precursors
I don't remember any mention of the Precursors inhabiting suns and the Forerunner overthrowing them by destroying those suns.

This ^

Here is where i would like some proof.

  • 01.17.2011 9:18 AM PDT

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