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Subject: Fred, Kelly, Linda, Team Saber, Dr. Halsey and Chief Mendez (SPOILERS)
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NOTE: I posted this in the Flood forum first and got a few people telling me it was in the wrong forum. Didn't know that was possible in the Flood forum.
Posted by: Go Homer Die
I think this was mentioned years ago...

Posted by: Last Fooolish
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In the Halo Novel Ghost of Onyx written by Eric Nylund, while Miranda Keyes, Master Chief, Sgt. Johnson and a handful of marines discovered another Halo Ring, Fred, Linda, and Will are gone to the Planet Onyx to find Kurt (Spartan-051), who they thought died 20 years earlier, training a new bread of Spartan. Spartan III's.

At the end of the novel (November 4, 2552) only Fred, Kelly, Linda, Dr. Halsey, Chief Mendez and a few Spartan III soldiers have gotten away from the Covenant Armada and the Forerunner Sentinels and teleported to this "Shield World".

Conclusion: At the end of Halo 3, Master Chief and Cortana are drifting off toward a mysterious planet. Could that be the "Shield World" that his friends are stranded on? It would only have been a few months since Fred, Linda, Kelly and the others had arrived there. They could have found food easily on the new world.

NOTE: I know its possible. Anything is. I believe that since Cortana sent out a beacon to be rescued, Master Chief will land on this planet, find Blue Team, and get rescued from the distress beacon.

  • 01.15.2011 9:48 AM PDT
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I'm no expert on the dates of Halo events, so I won't argue with that part, but I do have a problem with the other parts. I thought the shield world was "inside" onyx. If I'm right than that theory is completely blown apart. If I'm wrong then that part of the theory could still be true, but highly unlikely due to the vastness of space. Finally, that distress beacon will take such a long time to get to anyone that everyone in the shield world would have been dead by then. Sorry, but I don't think this is right.

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I'm no expert on the dates of Halo events, so I won't argue with that part, but I do have a problem with the other parts. I thought the shield world was "inside" onyx. If I'm right than that theory is completely blown apart. If I'm wrong then that part of the theory could still be true, but highly unlikely due to the vastness of space. Finally, that distress beacon will take such a long time to get to anyone that everyone in the shield world would have been dead by then. Sorry, but I don't think this is right.

Actually, the shield worlds are the planets themselves, they really aren't even planets. There hollow spheres similar to the Halo rings that have an artificial environment, but these protect you from the fire of Halo, and the Sentinels look different. Unlike you, I am an expert.

[Edited on 01.15.2011 10:24 AM PST]

  • 01.15.2011 10:23 AM PDT

As far as i can remember, the dyson sphere from GoO is actualy in slipspace.

At the centre of Onyx there was a portal which led to the shield world. The portal closed and it turned out that Onyx was made up of trillions of sentinals, which fell apart (blew up, IDK)

Anyway, the dyson sphere is like the shield world from halo wars, only the distance from the surface to the sun in the midldle is the same as from earth to the sun (a long way).
And in halo 3, you can see the sun rising at the edge of the planet, not inside it.

In order for chief to find the dyson sphere, he would have to be in slipspace. Now, i am not sure about the contents of slipspace, but i am pretty sure that in halo 3 you can see stars and other stuff in the distance.

Another thing, you might say that when the portal to the ark colapsed on the chief, it left him in slipspace. Wrong, even if it did, it would fall back in to real space because it would need a working Shaw-Fugikawa (?) drive.

Sorry :(

  • 01.15.2011 10:31 AM PDT

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Conclusion: At the end of Halo 3, Master Chief and Cortana are drifting off toward a mysterious planet. Could that be the "Shield World" that his friends are stranded on? It would only have been a few months since Fred, Linda, Kelly and the others had arrived there. They could have found food easily on the new world.

i dont think its possible because this will have to happen at least five years past the events of halo 3 because in halo origins when cortana tries to wake john up in cryo sleep that is in 2558...

  • 01.15.2011 10:33 AM PDT


Posted by: SteroidKloud


Conclusion: At the end of Halo 3, Master Chief and Cortana are drifting off toward a mysterious planet. Could that be the "Shield World" that his friends are stranded on? It would only have been a few months since Fred, Linda, Kelly and the others had arrived there. They could have found food easily on the new world.

i dont think its possible because this will have to happen at least five years past the events of halo 3 because in halo origins when cortana tries to wake john up in cryo sleep that is in 2558...

I thought Cortana was made November 7th 2549.
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Cortana

"When i was born seven years ago"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC8KtJ5Xpqs

That would make it the year 2556

  • 01.15.2011 10:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: SteroidKloud


Conclusion: At the end of Halo 3, Master Chief and Cortana are drifting off toward a mysterious planet. Could that be the "Shield World" that his friends are stranded on? It would only have been a few months since Fred, Linda, Kelly and the others had arrived there. They could have found food easily on the new world.

i dont think its possible because this will have to happen at least five years past the events of halo 3 because in halo origins when cortana tries to wake john up in cryo sleep that is in 2558...

I thought Cortana was made November 7th 2549.
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Cortana

"When i was born seven years ago"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC8KtJ5Xpqs

That would make it the year 2556



I stand corrected... but its still 3 years past halo 3, almost anything could have happened.

  • 01.15.2011 10:44 AM PDT


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Posted by: Astrogenesis 1

Posted by: SteroidKloud


Conclusion: At the end of Halo 3, Master Chief and Cortana are drifting off toward a mysterious planet. Could that be the "Shield World" that his friends are stranded on? It would only have been a few months since Fred, Linda, Kelly and the others had arrived there. They could have found food easily on the new world.

i dont think its possible because this will have to happen at least five years past the events of halo 3 because in halo origins when cortana tries to wake john up in cryo sleep that is in 2558...

I thought Cortana was made November 7th 2549.
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Cortana

"When i was born seven years ago"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC8KtJ5Xpqs

That would make it the year 2556



I stand corrected... but its still 3 years past halo 3, almost anything could have happened.

My guess is, there is probably a planet like Onyx for every halo ring.

However, as the dyson sphere is 2AU's from one side to another (making it pretty effing big), they probably only made one.
Which would lead me to assume that there are 6 other ways in to the sphere.

Also, there would have to be a way out, most likly 7 of them. With Dr Halsey, I doubt that they were stuck there for too long :)

  • 01.15.2011 10:50 AM PDT

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Not possible.

Onyx was destroyed when Kurt detonated the FENRIS warheads, the Sentinels the planet was comprsied of disengaged and began fighting the Covenant fleet.

All that's left is the Micro Dyson Sphere, since it's encased in a slipspace bubble of compressed dimensionality, it's bigger on the inside than the outside (think TARDIS). To put it in perspective, the MDS is several times the size of Earth on the inside, but on the outside it's tiny.

  • 01.15.2011 10:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: SteroidKloud

Posted by: Astrogenesis 1

Posted by: SteroidKloud


Conclusion: At the end of Halo 3, Master Chief and Cortana are drifting off toward a mysterious planet. Could that be the "Shield World" that his friends are stranded on? It would only have been a few months since Fred, Linda, Kelly and the others had arrived there. They could have found food easily on the new world.

i dont think its possible because this will have to happen at least five years past the events of halo 3 because in halo origins when cortana tries to wake john up in cryo sleep that is in 2558...

I thought Cortana was made November 7th 2549.
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Cortana

"When i was born seven years ago"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC8KtJ5Xpqs

That would make it the year 2556



I stand corrected... but its still 3 years past halo 3, almost anything could have happened.

My guess is, there is probably a planet like Onyx for every halo ring.

However, as the dyson sphere is 2AU's from one side to another (making it pretty effing big), they probably only made one.
Which would lead me to assume that there are 6 other ways in to the sphere.

Also, there would have to be a way out, most likly 7 of them. With Dr Halsey, I doubt that they were stuck there for too long :)


Well i guess we'll find out when that GoO sequel hits shelfs... either way i hope master chief meets with them at some point after halo 3

  • 01.15.2011 11:00 AM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
Not possible.

Onyx was destroyed when Kurt detonated the FENRIS warheads, the Sentinels the planet was comprsied of disengaged and began fighting the Covenant fleet.

All that's left is the Micro Dyson Sphere, since it's encased in a slipspace bubble of compressed dimensionality, it's bigger on the inside than the outside (think TARDIS). To put it in perspective, the MDS is several times the size of Earth on the inside, but on the outside it's tiny.


Just wondering.. how tiny?

  • 01.15.2011 11:02 AM PDT

Yes this is what many believe to be the case actually including myself. If I remember correctly the sentinals at the end of Ghosts of Onyx form something like a sphere around the slip space bubble containing the dyson sphere. Now remember the Ark (where the master chief came from) was kind of where the forerunners could fall back to when the were fighting the flood hundreds of thousands of years ago. The portal I think was another escape route so it would make sense that the master chief could "escape" to a shield world. Besides think about it, it's unbelievably unlikely that in all of space the master chief who end up coming out of the portal near a planetoid all by random.

There's alot that could happen really. I think we'll just have to wait until 343 brings out a sequel, be it in book or game form. until then speculation is fun.

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Posted by: SteroidKloud

Posted by: Astrogenesis 1

Posted by: SteroidKloud


Conclusion: At the end of Halo 3, Master Chief and Cortana are drifting off toward a mysterious planet. Could that be the "Shield World" that his friends are stranded on? It would only have been a few months since Fred, Linda, Kelly and the others had arrived there. They could have found food easily on the new world.

i dont think its possible because this will have to happen at least five years past the events of halo 3 because in halo origins when cortana tries to wake john up in cryo sleep that is in 2558...

I thought Cortana was made November 7th 2549.
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Cortana

"When i was born seven years ago"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC8KtJ5Xpqs

That would make it the year 2556



I stand corrected... but its still 3 years past halo 3, almost anything could have happened.

My guess is, there is probably a planet like Onyx for every halo ring.

However, as the dyson sphere is 2AU's from one side to another (making it pretty effing big), they probably only made one.
Which would lead me to assume that there are 6 other ways in to the sphere.

Also, there would have to be a way out, most likly 7 of them. With Dr Halsey, I doubt that they were stuck there for too long :)
actually the forerunners created hundreds of thousands of them ( maybe even millions), the plan was they were supposed to hold the majority of their population (they had millions of planets at their strongest) in safety from the flood and the halos.

[Edited on 01.15.2011 11:26 AM PST]

  • 01.15.2011 11:24 AM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
Not possible.

Onyx was destroyed when Kurt detonated the FENRIS warheads, the Sentinels the planet was comprsied of disengaged and began fighting the Covenant fleet.

All that's left is the Micro Dyson Sphere, since it's encased in a slipspace bubble of compressed dimensionality, it's bigger on the inside than the outside (think TARDIS). To put it in perspective, the MDS is several times the size of Earth on the inside, but on the outside it's tiny.


Just wondering.. how tiny?


From Ghosts of Onyx:

"Dr. Halsey stared at them and then pushed her glasses farther up the bridge of her nose. "I see. You do understand that while externally, this space may only be a few meters in diameter within the center of Onyx, internally, it's compressed dimensionality gives it a surface area"she cocked her head, calculating "many times the surface of the Earth."

  • 01.15.2011 12:13 PM PDT

Posted by: ajw34307
Not possible.

Onyx was destroyed when Kurt detonated the FENRIS warheads, the Sentinels the planet was comprsied of disengaged and began fighting the Covenant fleet.

All that's left is the Micro Dyson Sphere, since it's encased in a slipspace bubble of compressed dimensionality, it's bigger on the inside than the outside (think TARDIS). To put it in perspective, the MDS is several times the size of Earth on the inside, but on the outside it's tiny.


I concur with the above statement, it couldn't possible be Onyx,

I thought the theory of the planet being the Forerunner home world was widely accepted, I apologise if any information in the Cryptum contradicts this theory, as I have yet to read it.

  • 01.15.2011 12:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
Not possible.

Onyx was destroyed when Kurt detonated the FENRIS warheads, the Sentinels the planet was comprsied of disengaged and began fighting the Covenant fleet.

All that's left is the Micro Dyson Sphere, since it's encased in a slipspace bubble of compressed dimensionality, it's bigger on the inside than the outside (think TARDIS). To put it in perspective, the MDS is several times the size of Earth on the inside, but on the outside it's tiny.


I concur with the above statement, it couldn't possible be Onyx,

I thought the theory of the planet being the Forerunner home world was widely accepted, I apologise if any information in the Cryptum contradicts this theory, as I have yet to read it.


Pretty much. The final Terminal has Mendicant Bias hint he's sending you to wherever the Forerunners reside now to prove he has atoned for betraying them.

  • 01.15.2011 12:19 PM PDT

Anyone who believes its Onyx is flat out wrong, honestly.

Did you see a city sized Portal contraption, followed by the giant rings of debris from the planets surface and being patrolled by -=TRILLIONS=- of Sentinals?

Because if you did, then its Onyx. If you also saw Halo Legends Origins, you can see the Chief arriving at the Forerunner capital, or a prominent Forerunner world. Not anything remotely resembling Onyx.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC8KtJ5Xpqs&t=1m44s

Jesus ****ing Christ. I hate this topic.



[Edited on 01.15.2011 12:29 PM PST]

  • 01.15.2011 12:28 PM PDT

I've always dreamed of this story, 343 would bring it to us, they wrote the books, they would keep us canon, I'd die if this happened.

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Posted by: mojeda101
I've always dreamed of this story, 343 would bring it to us, they wrote the books, they would keep us canon, I'd die if this happened.


You'd die incorrect, because what you want is literally and literarily impossible. If you've followed even a tiny fraction of Halo lore.

  • 01.15.2011 12:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: forthnback
If you also saw Halo Legends Origins, you can see the Chief arriving at the Forerunner capital, or a prominent Forerunner world. Not anything remotely resembling Onyx.


No you can't. The story is being told whilst adrift in space, the Forerunner stuff is Cortana's interpretation of their history 100,000 years ago.

  • 01.15.2011 12:31 PM PDT


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Posted by: Astrogenesis 1

Also, there would have to be a way out, most likly 7 of them. With Dr Halsey, I doubt that they were stuck there for too long :)
actually the forerunners created hundreds of thousands of them ( maybe even millions), the plan was they were supposed to hold the majority of their population (they had millions of planets at their strongest) in safety from the flood and the halos.

I don't remember it saying anywere that they had hunderds of thousands of dyson spheres. wheres your proof?

Even though it is small on the outside, it would still need to be constructed on the inside at full size.
Lets see,
if the diameter of the halo is 10'000 kilometers and 200KM wide, once you've worked out the circumference, then that gives a surface area of 6'283'180 KM squared.

working out the surface area of a sphere, with a radius of 1 AU (astronomical unit (145.6 million KM) which is the distance between the surface of the dyson sphere to the sun, gives...

266'398'785'929.6 KM squared

Thats the equivilant of building 42'398 Halos, and your saying that they probably made millions of these?

Concidering it too the Ark at least over a month (timing is not acturate but it can be no less than 1 month) to rebuild alpha halo, 30x42398=1'271'961 days or Just shy of 3.5 THOUDAND YEARS

  • 01.15.2011 1:00 PM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: forthnback
If you also saw Halo Legends Origins, you can see the Chief arriving at the Forerunner capital, or a prominent Forerunner world. Not anything remotely resembling Onyx.


No you can't. The story is being told whilst adrift in space, the Forerunner stuff is Cortana's interpretation of their history 100,000 years ago.


Yes, the backstory is told from her possibly rampant point of view.

The omniscient real-time point of view of her, and the Chief, drifting in space is the camera. The narrator. That is actually happening. When it fades into her and she launches into the backstory, that is suspect. Her drifting, and where she is drifting, is indisputable.

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Nah, I was trying to say that the forerunners built many spheres (i.e more than a dozen). Anyways, I doubt that the Ark was used to build the Dyson spheres and and they could of buil4 many of them at the same time. Besides *spoiler* it was revealed that forerunners can live for thousands of years, so I doubt that 3.5 thousand years is that much of a problem to them.

  • 01.15.2011 2:59 PM PDT

What a waste....

Onyx blew up. You can't see the Shield World from outside.

  • 01.15.2011 3:01 PM PDT

Fraid not, Onyx was located inside the Milky Way Galaxy. The Ark was positioned far outside the Milky Way so it would not be affected by the Halo Array. Considering the vastness of space between The Ark and the location where Onyx used to be, and assuming that the drifting cutscene took place within an hour or two of their escape from The Ark, there is no possible way they could get that far by only drifting. Math aside, it would take, by my estimate, 700-1,200 years. Consider the relative distance from Earth to Mars. During Mars'closest orbit about every 1.6 years, it would take approximately 260 days to get to get there, using GIANT ROCKETS. And seeing as Onyx is (and correct me if I'm wrong here) towards the other side of the galaxy, there's no way this theory is possible.

It could be possible, however, that Halsey, Mendez, and the Spartans found a portal leading to this obviously forerunner planet, and they meet up there. Would be nice.

  • 01.15.2011 5:01 PM PDT

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