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Subject: Halo: The Flood Big Issue! Need To Discuss!!!

Okay well I started reading Halo: The Flood written by William C. Dietz a few days ago after reading Halo; The Fall of Reach, Halo: First Strike and Halo: Ghosts of Onyx all written by Eric Nylund. I have recently ready the part when Captain Keys was captured. Something I read caught my attention and immediately ticked me off this is what I read: "The Elite snapped up a fallen M6D pistol and shot Dowski. The bullet hit her in the center of her forehead."
Covenant would NEVER use human weapons aka "heretic weapons" It evene stated in Ghosts of onyx that Elites would rather die in the battlefield then pick up a fully loaded rifle on the ground. I dont know if this is authors mistake or if this is intended but if this is authors mistake then William C. Dietz should not of written a Halo: Book. I also noticed how the book explained that the elite killed everyone but Captain Keyes and later in the game in the cell blocks of The Truth and Reconciliation there are other marines in the cell block with Captain Keyes, this does concern me as much the the elite killing a human with a heretic weapon definitely does.

TL;DR
The book explained that an Elite killed a human with a pistol which is considered a heretic weapon and they would never do that, this really concerns me...

Discuss.

  • 01.17.2011 5:43 PM PDT

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If I remember the wording correctly I believe that it was some elites would rather die than use human weapons. This must be the case since some elites chose to die, and one chose to shoot a human with their own weapon.

As for the Marines in the cell blocks, they were all regular Marine infantry, not Navy officers like Keyes and the group from the lifeboat. This means that they were probably captured elsewhere.

  • 01.17.2011 5:48 PM PDT

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That's right.

Yeah... You got a point there dude.
But wasn't the sangheili who killed Dowski the stealthy one?
He was not that loyal to the covenant I remember..
I donno.. But this stuff happens all the time.. Check reach: The canon doesn't fit AT ALL.

  • 01.17.2011 5:48 PM PDT

Posted by: Terror Q
Yeah... You got a point there dude.
But wasn't the sangheili who killed Dowski the stealthy one?
He was not that loyal to the covenant I remember..
I donno.. But this stuff happens all the time.. Check reach: The canon doesn't fit AT ALL.


Captain Keyes killed the Stealthy elite in the life boat and as for the first guy, no because they are considered Heretic weapons it is forbidden for them to use Heretic Weapons, a heresy basically means to do something against there religion.

[Edited on 01.17.2011 5:52 PM PST]

  • 01.17.2011 5:52 PM PDT

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  • 01.17.2011 6:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dpwn3rrr
Posted by: Terror Q
Yeah... You got a point there dude.
But wasn't the sangheili who killed Dowski the stealthy one?
He was not that loyal to the covenant I remember..
I donno.. But this stuff happens all the time.. Check reach: The canon doesn't fit AT ALL.


Captain Keyes killed the Stealthy elite in the life boat and as for the first guy, no because they are considered Heretic weapons it is forbidden for them to use Heretic Weapons, a heresy basically means to do something against there religion.

Dowski, as well as Keyes' other companions were killed after they surrendered to the covenant. Keyes was taken for questioning by the Covenant.

P.S. Seriously, a shameless bump after only 8 minutes, come on, it takes time for people to respond here on this forum.

  • 01.17.2011 6:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dpwn3rrr
Posted by: Terror Q
Yeah... You got a point there dude.
But wasn't the sangheili who killed Dowski the stealthy one?
He was not that loyal to the covenant I remember..
I donno.. But this stuff happens all the time.. Check reach: The canon doesn't fit AT ALL.


Captain Keyes killed the Stealthy elite in the life boat and as for the first guy, no because they are considered Heretic weapons it is forbidden for them to use Heretic Weapons, a heresy basically means to do something against there religion.

Dowski, as well as Keyes' other companions were killed after they surrendered to the covenant. Keyes was taken for questioning by the Covenant.

P.S. Seriously, a shameless bump after only 8 minutes, come on, it takes time for people to respond here on this forum.


Sorry buddy, im in a rush and in a discussing mood.

  • 01.17.2011 6:11 PM PDT
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CoD is a good game, even if the Halo series are better in some aspects. Anyone who insults either is just bad in that game. Grow up.

TBH, that isn't as much of a canon break as just an eccentricity. Yes, the sangheili refuse to use "heretic" weapons, but that's in an actual combat situation, where they'd rather die with honor than to sink to the "heretics' level". In the circumstances you described, the covenant had total control, and it was more of a humiliation execution technique rather than actually using the said weapon in battle. In other words, just because they're described to be too prideful to ever use it in a fight, doesn't mean that they would go so far as to not even touch it.

As for the marines that were with Keyes...It is a bit peculiar, seeing as how the covenant didn't usually take prisoners, however, considering that there were other human forces on the Halo ring, it is highly likely that some of them would have been captured and was simply kept in the same holding cell as the Captain.

I copied this from where I answered your question in the other thread. Btw, the sangheili don't refuse to use human weapons because it is against their religion. They're simply too prideful to use weapons belonging to the heretics. The act of using the humans' weapons is not a heresy in itself.

On a side note, the humans are only branded as heretics because of the Prophet of Regret's meddling during the contact at Harvest.

  • 01.17.2011 6:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: Dpwn3rrr
Posted by: Terror Q
Yeah... You got a point there dude.
But wasn't the sangheili who killed Dowski the stealthy one?
He was not that loyal to the covenant I remember..
I donno.. But this stuff happens all the time.. Check reach: The canon doesn't fit AT ALL.


Captain Keyes killed the Stealthy elite in the life boat and as for the first guy, no because they are considered Heretic weapons it is forbidden for them to use Heretic Weapons, a heresy basically means to do something against there religion.


... which isn't to say that they wouldn't. Just that if they did, they'd be a heretic.

If Half-Jaw used a human weapon before Halo 2's ending, it'd be a breach of canon. If some psychotic, unhinged Elite did it, it would just mean he didn't care for the rules.

  • 01.17.2011 6:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: Beowolfe
It is a bit peculiar, seeing as how the covenant didn't usually take prisoners,

I believe the Covenant set out to capture the POA's capitan in order to find the location of Earth. The other Marines were probably captured for the same reason, or the Covenant wanted intel on Alpha Base.

  • 01.17.2011 6:23 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Not all Elites think the same. If you start assuming that then you will hit some real difficulties in their honour system, their religion and their society.

Example: Jora in the Cole Protocol committed assisted suicide because he was shot in the leg and lost blood. Rtas however suffered more severe injuries in LVotIS but did not kill himself afterwards. It is common sense as well; they are a race of individuals.

  • 01.17.2011 6:27 PM PDT
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Good find, the only explanation I have is that some Elites would but most wouldn't.

  • 01.17.2011 6:30 PM PDT

That particularly Elite was caught in the midst of the circumstance at hand; it doesn't necessarily mean he is a heretic. Sure, he might be less fervent than the more zealous Sangheili, but that doesn't constitute a break from canon.

And besides, if I remember correctly, he showed disgust for the use of the weapon. "Projectiles - primitive."

Or something along those lines. Whatever, that book is the worst of them.

  • 01.17.2011 6:50 PM PDT