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Subject: The Covenant aren't on some Holy Jihad! (Come insult my theory)
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I don't understand,the prophets are supposed to be weak,why don't the Elites & Hunters sort 'em out?

  • 05.08.2004 2:37 AM PDT

The military (Elites and Hunters) is always stronger than the politician (Prophets). The Elites and Hunters are kept in line through different means. The Elites and the Prophets have an alliance of "need/greed", not religion. The Prophets pay the Elites by giving them access to forerunner technology... battle armor, shielding, etc. In return, the Elites provide a military structure to the Covenant Empire, protect the Prophets, and expand the Covenant Empire through war and assimilation of usefull species. They both need each other to have power(Elites) and controll(Prophets). As for the Hunters, very little is known about them (The Covenant Primer). My guess would be that they are far out numbered by the rest of the Covenant species. With out an alliance with the Elites, who for the time being seem to be happy with their alliance with the Prophets, I don't think they have much of a chance in succeding in an overthrow. The Hunters are held in line by not having any better alternatives.

[Edited on 5/8/2004 3:19:19 AM]

  • 05.08.2004 3:17 AM PDT
Subject: The Covenant are "NOT" on some Holy Jihad against Humanity!
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Do you ant to know something, youre ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON!!! (In my opinion anyway) Although i doubt the covenant empire will fall, because the covenant homeworld is surrounded by slipspace type stuff around them and with hundreds of super-carriers patrolling it, the only way it would collapse, would be for the Humans to get the Grunts and possibly the jackals, to rebel, the Elites are to devout, and the Hunters would stay because theyre allowed to kill, kill and do some more killing. The brutes are probably the only spiecies respected by the Prophets, so they wouldnt go.

  • 05.08.2004 4:35 AM PDT
Subject: The Covenant aren't on some Holy Jihad! (Come insult my theory)
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cr ap, people posted exactly what I posted, just much better.

ignore this post

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  • 05.08.2004 4:39 AM PDT
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Eagle 117, have you read the books? If you have you should remember this quote:

"Your destrution is the will of the gods,
and we are their instrument."

That sentence alone proves that they are fighting a holy war, it may be a holy war just to get some Forerunner artefact on Earth, but seeing as they treat the Forerunner as gods, it is a holy war to get the artefact.

  • 05.08.2004 5:18 AM PDT

Posted by: Pablofogo
Eagle 117, have you read the books? If you have you should remember this quote:

"Your destrution is the will of the gods,
and we are their instrument."

That sentence alone proves that they are fighting a holy war, it may be a holy war just to get some Forerunner artefact on Earth, but seeing as they treat the Forerunner as gods, it is a holy war to get the artefact.



Yes, I have read all the books, and I know that quote of yours very well. I would argue, or ask, why or how do the Prophets, the politicians and spiritual leaders who set the agenda in the Covenant empire, EXCLUSIVLY know what the Gods will is??? I would also say, that when you are told this quote in the book, it is when the Humans have first contact with the Covenant... the first communication between the Covenant and Humans that we the reader are made aware of. It is a message from a Covenant ship to a Human ship, correct? My point being, if the Prophets are holding some sort of fake religion over the rest of the Covenant species so that they can retain power and control, then the rest of the Covenant species are going to know that they are being manipulated. They are going to believe that they are partaking in what the Gods(Forerunners) want, which, again, the Prophets tell the "will of the Gods" to the different Covenant species (factions). This, not knowing the true intentions of the Prophets, makes you the reader assume that the Covenant are on some religious jihad. Bungie doesn't want to give you the reader/player to many clues to a potential plot twist... why would they want to give that away?

You might also say, what if it was a Prophet who sent that message? I would say that broadcasting the Prophets true intentions, the one's I'm accusing them of having, would first off not be a very frightning first contact message. But most importantly, that broadcast was on an open broadcast channel... otherwise the Humans wouldn't have be able to decipher it. The Prophets wouldn't want the crew of the ship, or any other Covenant vessels in the area, although I don't recall there being any others in the area, to know their true intentions. The Prophets can't controll the different factions/species of the Covenant Empire. They can only hope to give these factions an illusion, and this illusion gives the factions a neverending purpose and reason to follow orders from the Prophets... not the Forerunners!

I have to go.. I'll try to update this later, because I'm sure that there are misspelled words and such.

[Edited on 5/13/2004 7:43:30 AM]

  • 05.08.2004 9:33 AM PDT

Posted by: Shishka
And, I'll point out that the -blam!- regime did have a religious following as well. And, I think there's more to prove the theory that the Covenant find us to be vile and undeserving infidels that should be wiped from the galaxy, more than we're some byproduct of an illusion.



Who is the -blam!- regime Shishka?

[Edited on 5/13/2004 7:44:17 AM]

  • 05.09.2004 12:45 AM PDT
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the author of this topic is insane

  • 05.09.2004 7:39 AM PDT

O.K. Bush:)

Just because I don't unconditionally follow the rest of the sheep of our herd (Bungie fans), that doesn't make me insane. I agree, let me repeat myself, I AGREE with all you guys on the whole issue that there is more evidence to support the "Humans are vile creature" theory, but that does not mean it's the TRUTH. There was alot of "evidence" that Iraq had WMD's before the war, and many people fell in line on that assumption. Fast forward to today... where are those WMD's??? I realize that there is still a chance that they might find some weapons, but they won't find some huge weapons cach af WMD's like we assumed/ were told. In hind sight there wasn't alot of evidence of WMDs before the war, we (Government, public, and media) blew what little evidence there might have been way out of puportion. Just because there seems to be alot or a little evidence of something, it doesn't mean it is the TRUTH! And like I keep saying, if you use history as a guide, my theory is much, much more sane and likely... given the culture of the Covenant is very similar to cultures in our past histoy.

[Edited on 5/9/2004 4:59:17 PM]

  • 05.09.2004 10:00 AM PDT

I see several people have started threads that seem to be branched off of this discussion. If so, then good. We, those who like to question, may have actually got something started;)

  • 05.09.2004 5:29 PM PDT

While I was recently watching the new MP demo from the Microsoft E3 press conference, I got another crazy idea. The only Covenant available to play as in MP is the Elite, correct? While highly unlikely, and I can't say that enough on this, could it be possible that this is a clue that the Elites will break away from the Covenant Alliance system and join the Humans. If you've read The Covenant Primer, the relationship between the Elites and the Prophets is described as uneasy, sounds like a fracture waiting to happen if you ask me.

(Again, this is probably just some crazy idea of mine, but it is worth thinking about:)

  • 05.13.2004 8:02 AM PDT

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