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Subject: what is the chiefs rank???

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Posted by: BOSOX599
No. Commisioned Officers serve in the Navy SEALs and in Halo, other Spartans (Noble 6) were commissioned and definitly did not have desk jobs.

What?

You clearly have no idea how ranks work. The Navy has officers in all parts of the Navy, not just the SEALs. Officers are in charge of ships, submarines, SEALs, pilots etc. The non commissioned officers (NCOs) are also in every part of the Navy, including SEALs. Many of the officers have desk jobs and work in offices (ever wonder where the word "officer" came from?). Despite what you may have learned from video games, higher rank does not necessarily mean better fighter.

EDIT: Also, a SEAL platoon is comprised of 16 NCOs and 2 officers.

[Edited on 01.20.2011 3:41 PM PST]

  • 01.20.2011 3:20 PM PDT

Okay, I do know a little bit about the rank structure of the military works, and my knowledge is definitly not from videogames or Hollywood. I was just trying to clarify that being an comissioned officer does not mean that you are limited to commanding a ship (in the Navy) or serving a desk job in the Army, as "ODST27" on the previous page was saying.

[Edited on 02.13.2011 10:30 PM PST]

  • 02.13.2011 9:04 PM PDT

I'm just wondering, how come all the other Spartans aren't MCPONs. Aren't they all significantly better than everyone else?

  • 02.13.2011 9:39 PM PDT

Back to the topic question: just because the rank and grade have the word "officer" in it does not mean that he is commissioned. Hence the Term "non-commissioned officer." Enlisted personnel are not commissioned. No biggy.
And no, there is no reason for A MCPO to rank up. He is at the highest rank of the enlisted personnel, E-9; one that usually takes a man(or woman) 20 years to achieve. John-117 pretty much has that taken care of. He's been serving over 30 years.

  • 02.13.2011 9:54 PM PDT

Master Chief is his rank.

  • 02.13.2011 10:21 PM PDT

"Concise and devoid of elegance...what I have come to expect from human communication"-Endless Summer


Posted by: Taktical Pinata
Spartan John-117 was posthumously promoted to MCPO of the Navy. I hear it's fancier.


Posthumous? Nothing kills the chief.

  • 02.14.2011 9:10 PM PDT

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  • 02.14.2011 9:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: xgeua
I'm just wondering, how come all the other Spartans aren't MCPONs. Aren't they all significantly better than everyone else?


None of the Spartan II's (save 117's "Posthumous" promotion) are MCPON (this is a singular and unique position for administrative purposes). S-117 was a MCPO (E-9), and the rest of the Spartans were at the very least Petty Officers (E-4 and up). This was to keep them in specialized combat roles, but still above lower ranking enlisted, fire team and squad leaders (save the few that have commissions, but they are the exception).

If every Spartan shared the same rank, that would complicate the chain of command. Having 17 sergeants all barking orders only leads to chaos. Rank (at least with Spartans) is only really a good indicator of leadership ability, not skill in combat.

[Edited on 02.15.2011 1:30 AM PST]

  • 02.15.2011 1:22 AM PDT

[As of October 2012]
2013 ADFA Officer Cadet of the RAAF (Aerospace Engineer Electronics Officer).

When you're in the (real) military, you don't ever call out to your superiors by their first name.
Last name is fine, but even then you must respect their rank by calling out "Flight Lieutenant Smith", etc. In those cases, the only reason you'd use their last name is so that you can be specific to a person when around multiple same ranks.

Because John-117 doesn't have a last name (unless you count the 3 digits as one), everybody pretty much has to call him Master Chief.

Those above him have the authority to call him nicknames like "Chief". Those that call him a Spartan just obviously don't have any way of knowing what rank he is, or are too astounded to follow protocol.

Oh and just because he's an NCO doesn't make him any less fierce. For example, in (at least the Australian Defence Force), Warrant Officers hold nearly absolute respect on a base.
For example, on a parade ground, a WOFF has the authority to make any officer; even a General do what he wants. (A WOFF for example may reprimand any ADF personel so long as they respect rank - ie "Sir! (Air Chief Marshal) You will pick up your rubbish!".)

Although if you act like too much of an arse they can just get you back later when you make a mistake elsewhere, or just by pulling some strings behind your back.

  • 02.15.2011 1:48 AM PDT

Posted by: Infinitus One
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Idk why people make such a big deal about love. Just -blam!- everything you see, until you find the one you want to -blam!- for the rest of your life.

Posted by: XBLDragon029
When you're in the (real) military, you don't ever call out to your superiors by their first name.
Last name is fine, but even then you must respect their rank by calling out "Flight Lieutenant Smith", etc. In those cases, the only reason you'd use their last name is so that you can be specific to a person when around multiple same ranks.

Because John-117 doesn't have a last name (unless you count the 3 digits as one), everybody pretty much has to call him Master Chief.

Those above him have the authority to call him nicknames like "Chief". Those that call him a Spartan just obviously don't have any way of knowing what rank he is, or are too astounded to follow protocol.

Oh and just because he's an NCO doesn't make him any less fierce. For example, in (at least the Australian Defence Force), Warrant Officers hold nearly absolute respect on a base.
For example, on a parade ground, a WOFF has the authority to make any officer; even a General do what he wants. (A WOFF for example may reprimand any ADF personel so long as they respect rank - ie "Sir! (Air Chief Marshal) You will pick up your rubbish!".)

Although if you act like too much of an arse they can just get you back later when you make a mistake elsewhere, or just by pulling some strings behind your back.


That's because they are career personnel with alot of years of experience behind them. An Officer takes heed of what they say because of this, and respect his advise.
Once saw the Warrant Officer of the Army yell at a civilian for cutting through the parade ground at ADFA. That's some scary -blam!- right there.

The reason one may confuse the Chief with a commissioned officer is because many NCOs refer to him as "sir". While normally you never refer to an NCO as "sir", usually the highest NCO rank, such as WOFF or MCPO, is referred to as "Sir", however they are still not saluted as they are not commissioned officers.

  • 02.15.2011 3:37 AM PDT

If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

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Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
Master Chief Petty Officer John-117. I have no life.

Knowing John's rank means you have no life? What a fan!

  • 02.15.2011 7:11 AM PDT

RIP Ginger

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Posted by: Beowolfe
But he was promoted to Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy at the end of Halo 3.


Source?

[Edited on 02.15.2011 8:03 AM PST]

  • 02.15.2011 8:02 AM PDT


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Posted by: Beowolfe
But he was promoted to Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy at the end of Halo 3.


Source?

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  • 02.15.2011 11:41 AM PDT


Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
Master Chief Petty Officer John-117. I have no life.

Knowing John's rank means you have no life? What a fan!

  • 02.15.2011 11:56 AM PDT

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