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Subject: why didn't I think of this right away! Cryptum

God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea; Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof.” – Psalms 46:1-3

For the idiots citing the Halo wiki to refute my theory please stop you look like an idiot, Halo wiki is not a source of canon and the assumption that Johnson is a S1 is that an assumption please stop the idiocy, only bungie or 343 can come out and say if he is or isn't

I was unaware to Joe Staten's statement of Johnson being a spartan 1 I apologize, however, that does not take away any merit to my theory.



So I read the book and well I loved it, well, it has been 2 weeks and it just hit me!

I think Johnson has the gene that killed off the flood!

I know this was supposedly having to do with borens syndrome, however, it makes sense that he is simply a human with the gene that the humans had created to kill off the flood!

Now, alternate theory, maybe, borens syndrome is actually what the humans had created in the first place, however, a more controlled less deadly version not caused by the radiation of a plasma grenade!


Think about it! It makes so much damn sense!

I wish I had more facts and details but I don't have the time and just felt I should put the idea out there for someone else to snoop around and find info on it.

What do you all think?



[Edited on 01.20.2011 9:44 AM PST]

  • 01.20.2011 9:02 AM PDT

It wasn't Johnson's genes.

It was the bioaugmentations that affeted his genes after he was a Spartan 1 that made him imune to the flood.

The Orion (S1) Project was after the Humans of our last empire discovered a cure.

Sorry to burst your bubble :(



[Edited on 01.20.2011 9:09 AM PST]

  • 01.20.2011 9:07 AM PDT

God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea; Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof.” – Psalms 46:1-3


Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
It wasn't Johnson's genes.

It was the bioaugmentations that affeted his genes after he was a Spartan 1 that made him imune to the flood.

The Orion (S1) Project was after the Humans of our last empire discovered a cure.

Sorry to burst your bubble :(




....You just tried to debunk my theory based on an assumption, you fail.

Their is no actual proof that Johnson is a Spartan 1 that I or anyone has found, their is only coincidence and assumption.


Also, you seem to not be aware that in First strike it was concluded that Sgt. Johnson was not infected likely do to his Borens syndrome, hence my belief that he either has the gene the ancient humans developed via some mutation do to the disease or he was born with the gene.

[Edited on 01.20.2011 9:13 AM PST]

  • 01.20.2011 9:10 AM PDT


Posted by: angry0lbgrampa

Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
It wasn't Johnson's genes.

It was the bioaugmentations that affeted his genes after he was a Spartan 1 that made him imune to the flood.

The Orion (S1) Project was after the Humans of our last empire discovered a cure.

Sorry to burst your bubble :(




....You just tried to debunk my theory based on an assumption, you fail.

Their is no actual proof that Johnson is a Spartan 1 that I or anyone has found, their is only coincidence and assumption.


Also, you seem to not be aware that in First strike it was concluded that Sgt. Johnson was not infected likely do to his Borens syndrome, hence my belief that he either has the gene the ancient humans has via some mutation do to the disease or he was born with the gene.

Are you serious?

Sergeant Major Avery Junior Johnson (SN: 48789-20114-AJ [1]) was a Human senior non-commissioned officer who served with the UNSC Marine Corps during the Insurrection and Human-Covenant War. Avery Johnson was a highly trained Marine, serving with various units of the Naval Special Warfare Command, including the highly classified ORION Project.
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Avery_Junior_Johnson

The Orion Project was the Spartan One Project!

There is much speculation as to whether the Flood attempted to infect Johnson but he was able to shrug off the effects due to the complications of his Boren's Syndrome
Boren's Syndrome is a fictitious human disease used as a cover up ONI created to hide the identity of the Spartan-Is.


[Edited on 01.20.2011 9:20 AM PST]

  • 01.20.2011 9:12 AM PDT

God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea; Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof.” – Psalms 46:1-3


Posted by: Astrogenesis 1

Posted by: angry0lbgrampa

Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
It wasn't Johnson's genes.

It was the bioaugmentations that affeted his genes after he was a Spartan 1 that made him imune to the flood.

The Orion (S1) Project was after the Humans of our last empire discovered a cure.

Sorry to burst your bubble :(




....You just tried to debunk my theory based on an assumption, you fail.

Their is no actual proof that Johnson is a Spartan 1 that I or anyone has found, their is only coincidence and assumption.


Also, you seem to not be aware that in First strike it was concluded that Sgt. Johnson was not infected likely do to his Borens syndrome, hence my belief that he either has the gene the ancient humans has via some mutation do to the disease or he was born with the gene.

Are you serious?


Yes.

Please tell me you don't think halopedia is 100%fact?

Their is absolutely no facts supporting that Johnson is a S1 of the Orion project only assumption based on 2 transmissions.

[Edited on 01.20.2011 9:15 AM PST]

  • 01.20.2011 9:13 AM PDT

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he's a spartan I mate. although bungie never explained how it makes him immune but it just does for some reason, just like MC cant get infected either. being a spartan somehow immunises you.

  • 01.20.2011 9:14 AM PDT

God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea; Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof.” – Psalms 46:1-3

I have lost all hope for this forum, are you telling me you are all taking the assumption he is a spartan 1 as a fact!

Dear god, no where has he been proven to be a Spartan 1, unless bungie, or the now controllers of canon 343 say so it is not so.

You cannot go off of a communique that has S1, orion, and his name and say oh he is a spartan 1 for sure.

That is simply asinine.

[Edited on 01.20.2011 9:17 AM PST]

  • 01.20.2011 9:17 AM PDT


Posted by: angry0lbgrampa

Posted by: Astrogenesis 1

Posted by: angry0lbgrampa

Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
It wasn't Johnson's genes.

It was the bioaugmentations that affeted his genes after he was a Spartan 1 that made him imune to the flood.

The Orion (S1) Project was after the Humans of our last empire discovered a cure.

Sorry to burst your bubble :(




....You just tried to debunk my theory based on an assumption, you fail.

Their is no actual proof that Johnson is a Spartan 1 that I or anyone has found, their is only coincidence and assumption.


Also, you seem to not be aware that in First strike it was concluded that Sgt. Johnson was not infected likely do to his Borens syndrome, hence my belief that he either has the gene the ancient humans has via some mutation do to the disease or he was born with the gene.

Are you serious?


Yes.

Please tell me you don't think halopedia is 100%fact?

Their is absolutely no facts supporting that Johnson is a S1 of the Orion project only assumption based on 2 transmissions.

You complete T I T !

Every thing on the halo wiki is sourced from Official Sources, You should try looking at the SOURCES section at the bottom of one of their web pages!

  • 01.20.2011 9:18 AM PDT

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Posted by: angry0lbgrampa
I have lost all hope for this forum, are you telling me you are all taking the assumption he is a spartan 1 as a fact!

Dear god, no where has he been proven to be a Spartan 1, unless bungie, or now the owners of canon 343 say so it is not so.

You cannot go off of a communique that has S1, orion, and his name and say oh he is a spartan 1 for sure.

That is simply asinine.

*sigh* http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=8143418 proof and that aint from halopedia. plus if you think about it when the forerunners de evolutionised humanity dont you think they would have lost their research which means the cure that went with it? plus how could a cure be passed down gentically it makes no sense.

  • 01.20.2011 9:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: angry0lbgrampa

Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
It wasn't Johnson's genes.

It was the bioaugmentations that affeted his genes after he was a Spartan 1 that made him imune to the flood.

The Orion (S1) Project was after the Humans of our last empire discovered a cure.

Sorry to burst your bubble :(




....You just tried to debunk my theory based on an assumption, you fail.

Their is no actual proof that Johnson is a Spartan 1 that I or anyone has found, their is only coincidence and assumption.


1) Borens Syndrome doesn't exist. It's just a convenient cover story to explain any genetic anomalies in Orion subjects.

2) Staten confirmed it himself long ago by stating Johnson is his favorite Spartan. That's in addition to the references in the HGN of Johnson's involvement with Orion along with his service history in Contact Harvest which Staten himself wrote. You want proof, there it is.

3) It's already stated in First Strike that Johnson's genes were simply incompatible with the Flood for it to even link up and begin mutation to begin with. The anti-Flood virus kinda relies on the killer gene to link up after the poor carrier is sacrificed to the Flood in order to infect them. So that in itself kills the theory until the next Forerunner books specify that the virus is reliant on a central gravemind and require a lot more instances of infection within a small concentrated population.

  • 01.20.2011 9:21 AM PDT

God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea; Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof.” – Psalms 46:1-3


Posted by: Astrogenesis 1

Posted by: angry0lbgrampa

Posted by: Astrogenesis 1

Posted by: angry0lbgrampa

Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
It wasn't Johnson's genes.

It was the bioaugmentations that affeted his genes after he was a Spartan 1 that made him imune to the flood.

The Orion (S1) Project was after the Humans of our last empire discovered a cure.

Sorry to burst your bubble :(




....You just tried to debunk my theory based on an assumption, you fail.

Their is no actual proof that Johnson is a Spartan 1 that I or anyone has found, their is only coincidence and assumption.


Also, you seem to not be aware that in First strike it was concluded that Sgt. Johnson was not infected likely do to his Borens syndrome, hence my belief that he either has the gene the ancient humans has via some mutation do to the disease or he was born with the gene.

Are you serious?


Yes.

Please tell me you don't think halopedia is 100%fact?

Their is absolutely no facts supporting that Johnson is a S1 of the Orion project only assumption based on 2 transmissions.

You complete T I T !

Every thing on the halo wiki is sourced from Official Sources, You should try looking at the SOURCES section at the bottom of one of their web pages!


*sigh*

and as I said, It is an assumption that Johnson is a Spartan 1 based off of a communique that had S1 Orion and his name in it.

That is like saying, my name+ black ops+ Obama= I am an assassin.

  • 01.20.2011 9:22 AM PDT


Posted by: angry0lbgrampa
For the idiots citing the Halo wiki to refute my theory please stop you look like an idiot, Halo wiki is not a source of canon and the assumption that Johnson is a S1 is that an assumption please stop the idiocy, only bungie or 343 can come out and say if he is or isn't

I like how you added this after I proved you wrong about the halo wikia.

It makes you look stupid :)

  • 01.20.2011 9:23 AM PDT

God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea; Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof.” – Psalms 46:1-3


Posted by: Astrogenesis 1

Posted by: angry0lbgrampa
For the idiots citing the Halo wiki to refute my theory please stop you look like an idiot, Halo wiki is not a source of canon and the assumption that Johnson is a S1 is that an assumption please stop the idiocy, only bungie or 343 can come out and say if he is or isn't

I like how you added this after I proved you wrong about the halo wikia.

It makes you look stupid :)


No it doesn't, it makes you, a person who get's his facts from a site that can be edited by anyone.

  • 01.20.2011 9:24 AM PDT

Brains beats brawn get used to it

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Posted by: Astrogenesis 1

Posted by: angry0lbgrampa

Posted by: Astrogenesis 1

Posted by: angry0lbgrampa

Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
It wasn't Johnson's genes.

It was the bioaugmentations that affeted his genes after he was a Spartan 1 that made him imune to the flood.

The Orion (S1) Project was after the Humans of our last empire discovered a cure.

Sorry to burst your bubble :(




....You just tried to debunk my theory based on an assumption, you fail.

Their is no actual proof that Johnson is a Spartan 1 that I or anyone has found, their is only coincidence and assumption.


Also, you seem to not be aware that in First strike it was concluded that Sgt. Johnson was not infected likely do to his Borens syndrome, hence my belief that he either has the gene the ancient humans has via some mutation do to the disease or he was born with the gene.

Are you serious?


Yes.

Please tell me you don't think halopedia is 100%fact?

Their is absolutely no facts supporting that Johnson is a S1 of the Orion project only assumption based on 2 transmissions.

You complete T I T !

Every thing on the halo wiki is sourced from Official Sources, You should try looking at the SOURCES section at the bottom of one of their web pages!


No, not everything from Halopedia is cited from official sources. A good chunk of it is based on assumption with incredibly lazy and irrelevant citation. In the case of Johnson being a Spartan I though the proper source is cited. Still don't go on the assumption that everything from Halopedia is true and always check the source they cite.

[Edited on 01.20.2011 9:24 AM PST]

  • 01.20.2011 9:24 AM PDT


Posted by: angry0lbgrampa
*sigh*

and as I said, It is an assumption that Johnson is a Spartan 1 based off of a communique that had S1 Orion and his name in it.

That is like saying, my name+ black ops+ Obama= I am an assassin.

Have you read First Strike, thats where the wikia got its info from on this. Or are you unable to read?

  • 01.20.2011 9:25 AM PDT

God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea; Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof.” – Psalms 46:1-3


Posted by: WEE MAN MJJC

Posted by: angry0lbgrampa
I have lost all hope for this forum, are you telling me you are all taking the assumption he is a spartan 1 as a fact!

Dear god, no where has he been proven to be a Spartan 1, unless bungie, or now the owners of canon 343 say so it is not so.

You cannot go off of a communique that has S1, orion, and his name and say oh he is a spartan 1 for sure.

That is simply asinine.

*sigh* http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=8143418 proof and that aint from halopedia. plus if you think about it when the forerunners de evolutionised humanity dont you think they would have lost their research which means the cure that went with it? plus how could a cure be passed down gentically it makes no sense.


You must not have read the book...It was a genetic alteration the humans made that killed the flood off.

That proves nothing, as I said communiques that people made assumptions on.

Also Staten was making a joke when he said Sgt. Johnson is his favorite spartan, it was in reference to john saying he was basically a spartan already.

[Edited on 01.20.2011 9:30 AM PST]

  • 01.20.2011 9:27 AM PDT


Posted by: angry0lbgrampa
You must not have read the book...It was a genetic alteration the humans made that killed the flood off.

Than how come not every human is imune?

Just stop and think about it for a second.

  • 01.20.2011 9:29 AM PDT

God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea; Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof.” – Psalms 46:1-3


Posted by: Astrogenesis 1

Posted by: angry0lbgrampa
You must not have read the book...It was a genetic alteration the humans made that killed the flood off.

Than how come not every human is imune?

Just stop and think about it for a second.


You definitely didn't read cryptum, they only altered a small % of their populous, therefore, not the entire gene pool of humanity would have this set of genes.

  • 01.20.2011 9:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: angry0lbgrampa
I have lost all hope for this forum, are you telling me you are all taking the assumption he is a spartan 1 as a fact!

Dear god, no where has he been proven to be a Spartan 1, unless bungie, or the now controllers of canon 343 say so it is not so.

You cannot go off of a communique that has S1, orion, and his name and say oh he is a spartan 1 for sure.

That is simply asinine.


It's official bloody fact

Stop going back to book fiction being assumption when Staten blatantly said it himself.

Edit:

Posted by: angry0lbgrampa

Also Staten was making a joke when he said Sgt. Johnson is his favorite spartan, it was in reference to john saying he was basically a spartan already.


REALLY? Nowhere in the entire transcript does it even hint that it's a joke in the context or without it. So now you're just making assumptions out of thin air? Jeez, you might as well say your theory is 100% fact at this point and leave it at that.

[Edited on 01.20.2011 9:33 AM PST]

  • 01.20.2011 9:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: angry0lbgrampa

Posted by: WEE MAN MJJC

Posted by: angry0lbgrampa
I have lost all hope for this forum, are you telling me you are all taking the assumption he is a spartan 1 as a fact!

Dear god, no where has he been proven to be a Spartan 1, unless bungie, or now the owners of canon 343 say so it is not so.

You cannot go off of a communique that has S1, orion, and his name and say oh he is a spartan 1 for sure.

That is simply asinine.

*sigh* http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=8143418 proof and that aint from halopedia. plus if you think about it when the forerunners de evolutionised humanity dont you think they would have lost their research which means the cure that went with it? plus how could a cure be passed down gentically it makes no sense.


You must not have read the book...It was a genetic alteration the humans made that killed the flood off.

To your response about halopedia: you obviously havent been on this site then have you? Everything on it has been true. It is a legit site that obtains information from legit sources.
To your absurd claim: your claiming that a cure discovered 100,000 years ago when humanity was possibly a different looking species and could possibly have different genetic make up has been passed down onto 1 man? pretty ludicrous statment if you ask me.

[Edited on 01.20.2011 9:33 AM PST]

  • 01.20.2011 9:32 AM PDT
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Their is absolutely no facts supporting that Johnson is a S1 of the Orion project only assumption based on 2 transmissions.

There's a bit more than that. Even if you disregard the the HGN as not being enough to claim he was a Spartan 1, Contact Harvest has his service record showing he was part of ORION(the Spartan I program) and an ONI operative says he was part of ORION. And if you want to disregard that, here's Joe Staten:

Guest-17 Who is your favorite spartan from the Halo books? To both Joe and Brian

Joe-Halo As long as we're counting Spartan 1s... I'd have to go with Avery Johnson!

  • 01.20.2011 9:32 AM PDT

God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea; Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof.” – Psalms 46:1-3


Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: angry0lbgrampa
I have lost all hope for this forum, are you telling me you are all taking the assumption he is a spartan 1 as a fact!

Dear god, no where has he been proven to be a Spartan 1, unless bungie, or the now controllers of canon 343 say so it is not so.

You cannot go off of a communique that has S1, orion, and his name and say oh he is a spartan 1 for sure.

That is simply asinine.


It's official bloody fact

Stop going back to book fiction being assumption when Staten blatantly said it himself.


Even if he is a spartan 1 it doesn't refute the fact that what I said is plausible based on cryptum, a select few humans had a specific gene alteration that caused them to kill the flood forms that attempted to take control of them.

  • 01.20.2011 9:33 AM PDT


Posted by: angry0lbgrampa

Posted by: Astrogenesis 1

Posted by: angry0lbgrampa
You must not have read the book...It was a genetic alteration the humans made that killed the flood off.

Than how come not every human is imune?

Just stop and think about it for a second.


You definitely didn't read cryptum, they only altered a small % of their populous, therefore, not the entire gene pool of humanity would have this set of genes.

Firstly, why would they do that, wouldn't they want to save all of the human race?

Second, once people from that % of the population started to procreate, the genes would spread to more than that %.

  • 01.20.2011 9:34 AM PDT

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Posted by: angry0lbgrampa

Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: angry0lbgrampa
I have lost all hope for this forum, are you telling me you are all taking the assumption he is a spartan 1 as a fact!

Dear god, no where has he been proven to be a Spartan 1, unless bungie, or the now controllers of canon 343 say so it is not so.

You cannot go off of a communique that has S1, orion, and his name and say oh he is a spartan 1 for sure.

That is simply asinine.


It's official bloody fact

Stop going back to book fiction being assumption when Staten blatantly said it himself.


Even if he is a spartan 1 it doesn't refute the fact that what I said is plausible based on cryptum, a select few humans had a specific gene alteration that caused them to kill the flood forms that attempted to take control of them.


It's a virus. They had to be consumed by the Flood for the virus to take affect. It didn't just kill the flood forms that attempted to take control of them because if it did the virus wouldn't exactly spread now would it.

If that were the case, then in proportion that one infection form that attempted to take Johnson would've infected the entire group on Halo and they would've died out in there since it only takes a 'few' humans according to you to wipe out an infection on a galactic scale.

  • 01.20.2011 9:36 AM PDT

God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea; Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof.” – Psalms 46:1-3


Posted by: Astrogenesis 1

Posted by: angry0lbgrampa

Posted by: Astrogenesis 1

Posted by: angry0lbgrampa
You must not have read the book...It was a genetic alteration the humans made that killed the flood off.

Than how come not every human is imune?

Just stop and think about it for a second.


You definitely didn't read cryptum, they only altered a small % of their populous, therefore, not the entire gene pool of humanity would have this set of genes.

Firstly, why would they do that, wouldn't they want to save all of the human race?

Second, once people from that % of the population started to procreate, the genes would spread to more than that %.


-_-

Exactly. you just basically said what I said, Do you know how genes work in human DNA? Sometimes 5 people can all have the same genes (family) however, they are not all active traits, this being said, not everyone would be immune.

it's like blues eyes greens eyes, we all have the genes for every color of eye, but, for my for example my blue eye gene is dominant.


Are you people aware humanity was numbering in the trillions?

We currently have a populous of 7 billion that is a good number, take in account humanity controlled thousands of planets..and bingo trillions of humans. 1% of that is 1 billion, they threw 25% at the flood -_- that's 250 billion humans sacrificed all with the altered genome.

[Edited on 01.20.2011 9:40 AM PST]

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