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Posted by: Beowolfe
Posted by: OrderedComa
Posted by: Beowolfe
And apparently you missed the point again.
What you said here, and I'm copying and pasting: "
What I'm saying is that if one ship, referred to in general terms of class only" is null. Cortana can call it whatever she wants to; She could have called it God's own Son of a -blam!- machine, and it wouldn't have mattered, because the situation was unique to the PoA and it alone. It's definitely not an indication that every single ship in the UNSC navy can do the same, hell, if you got that idea ever since playing Halo: CE, I guess that explains why you're perspective is so twisted. In no other canon, games or otherwise, has it ever been said that one single UNSC ship can take out 3-4 when it comes to straight up space combat. (meaning without addition of strategic maneuvers)
And I also have to say, what part of "The PoA was only able to take out those ships because of several factors that could only happen simultaneously once in a lifetime (including the fact that it was NOT shot at until late in the battle)" didn't you understand? The PoA was special, its crew is unique, and the circumstances in which it was in during the battle above Installation 04 was a rare-occurrence. Therefore, not EVERY UNSC ship is capable of doing so.
The Covenant ship technologies simply outclass the UNSC by far too much. The UNSC were doomed to lose, and that's why they wanted, nay, needed Operation: Red Flag. In terms of how the story eventually turned out, the only reason the UNSC survived was because of the interruption of the Halos, which caused a sequence of events that eventually turned out in humanity's favour.
The novels did a perfectly good job at portraying the Covenant, especially since they gave sensible explanations as to why they are powerful. Humans have their own advantages, and that's what made them distinctive, but the point of the Halo story has never been for humanity to win on their own. If that was the case, then the Halos would never have been needed.
Again, the games fail at portraying both sides, and if you choose that as your way of looking at Halo lore, your perspective would be base on the watered down version of story found in the games.
How is it unique to the Autumn alone? What is your reasoning for that statement. And no, I haven't thought that ever since playing CE, I only started thinking that 3:1 is dumb since reading the books, the way the books portray things there should have been no UNSC victories at all, and Humanity should be completely or very nearly extinct.
Yeah, sure, the Halos are what turned the war around, every story needs some sort of plot device to occur or be discovered that turns the tables around. But that doesn't mean that Humanity absolutely needed to find them in order to win, that is absurd reasoning, that's like saying the Rebels needed to capture an AT-ST during the Battle of Endor, it sure did help, but they could have gotten into the shield bunker some other way.
I never said I relied on one or the other, imo, both the books and the games do poor job displaying the powers of each, the games are of course too easy, and the books are too skewed on the Covenant side.
I'm sorry, but if you still need to ask why the situation is unique to the PoA, then your comprehension levels are clearly inefficient, because I've got to have repeated the reasoning
at least 3 times, each time more elaborate than the previous. If you're just playing dumb, then I see no point in any further explanations on that topic.
You don't get it, do you? The Fall of Reach was what Bungie wanted the story to be like. Every game need a backstory, and theirs was in the novel. They wanted the covenant to be as they were described in the novels, because that is the major conflict in the entire story. Eric Nylund may have been hired by Microsoft, but he worked WITH Bungie's resources and materials in order to write the novel.
If the UNSC had the resources and ability to win the battle on their own, why would they need Operation: Red Flag? The story simply didn't follow that path, but rather their salvation was found through the sequence of events that led from discovering the Halos. Either way, humanity simply did not have what it takes to beat all of Covenant. And yes, the UNSC practically lost every single space battle against the Covenant, but that's what makes the Covenant alien, that's what makes them intimidating.
I don't know why you're challenging this fact. It is logical that the Covenant is powerful, as I explained in my very first post in this thread. I don't know how many times I have to repeat this, but the games make everyone look weak, the novels are how they're supposed to be. You think that only the Covenant gets a boost in the games, but the truth is the humans, as described in the novels, actually have far more tremendous improvement from their games counter-parts than the covenant does.
In the novels, the humans have the advantage of being ingenious. That's why they were able to achieve events such as those described in First Strike, GoO or even that novel about Admiral Cole. They adapted instead of imitated, and even though they were losing, they were doing far more than the Covenant probably expected. But you can't expect them to win, because the bottom line is that the UNSC was outnumbered and outgunned severely.
I really don't see anything unique about that scene. The Autumn is not much better than the standard ship-of-the-line for the UNSC. And I doubt the Covenant were only firing on it at the end of the first level, there is at least one point in the level where the ship is heavily rocked, and the boarding craft could not feasibly do that much buffeting. It is far more likely to have been some form of plasma armament, which would mean the Autumn was getting shot at most of that level.
I highly doubt that TFoR portrayed the Covenant exactly how Bungie wanted them to be, the whole 3:1, that may have been there, but I very very highly doubt that a single Covenant ship could destroy a UNSC one in a single round of plasma torpedoes. That is nonsensical, it should not be that powerful, the Covenant could have vaporized entire UNSC ships without any effort and probably no casualties if the plot did not say "the heroes have to live and their faction has to put up at least a little fight before being obliterated".
I agree, the games nerf everybody for gameplay purposes and that each side is better portrayed in the novels, however, I still do not think the portrayal of the Covenant is at all accurate in the books, no matter how brave, ingenious, strategic, or innovative the UNSC is, they should not have had any victories at all the way things are portrayed.