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Subject: Why not design Halo to kill the Flood?
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Seems much more logical than killing everything else. >_>

  • 01.21.2011 3:52 PM PDT
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I would wager on the Flood take so many forms it doesn't affect them all, or the fact that destroying all the non sentient life in the galaxy would kill the Forerunners and all the sentients eventually anyways, so they might as well just keep it as precise as possible and hope for the best.

  • 01.21.2011 3:58 PM PDT

Killing everything that can be a flood would mean killing the flood once and for all. Then it can't escape to other universes

  • 01.21.2011 4:40 PM PDT
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But it also kills everything that they were supposed to protect. It would be like if in WW2, instead of nuking Japan to end the war, we nuked everything else so there's no point for them to expand.

  • 01.21.2011 4:53 PM PDT
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“To say more would spoil be it’s overall its a game that needs to be played.” - Aristotle

If there's an answer to your question, this would likely be it.

EDIT: Nevermind, I've just read something that states that Cryptum apparently overrode that theory.

Lovely.

[Edited on 01.21.2011 5:51 PM PST]

  • 01.21.2011 5:50 PM PDT

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Well in Cryptum it explains that the Halo's basically emit enough neutron radiation to destroy the cellular structure of significantly advanced organisms, and with regards to Snakie's post, it's possible for the Flood's structure to be adaptable/durable enough to survive the effect.

Posted by: Lord Snakie
If there's an answer to your question, this would likely be it.

EDIT: Nevermind, I've just read something that states that Cryptum apparently overrode that theory.

Lovely.

  • 01.21.2011 5:56 PM PDT
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I don't think the flood can be affected by Halo...

  • 01.21.2011 7:36 PM PDT


Posted by: Lord Snakie
If there's an answer to your question, this would likely be it.

EDIT: Nevermind, I've just read something that states that Cryptum apparently overrode that theory.

Lovely.


How? What did Cryptum say about the Halo Effect that we didn't already know?

It merely just explained the specific science behind it, science that could easily have been figured out by the way it was presented anyway, so what's the problem.

  • 01.21.2011 7:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: Onyx81
I don't think the flood can be affected by Halo...

I know. Which is why I am saying "Why not invent a weapon that would kill the Flood instead of everything else?"

I mean, if the humans and Prophets can do it, surely the Forerunners can too.

  • 01.21.2011 8:01 PM PDT

Humaity and the Prophets created a set of genes that they inserted into 1/3 of their population that were then sacrificed. The genes when absorbed by the Flood, caused the flood form to die out.
Doubt the Forerunners would sacrifice so many to feed the Flood, which the Didact considered the worst heresy against the Mantle the Forerunners had ever encountered

[Edited on 01.21.2011 8:13 PM PST]

  • 01.21.2011 8:13 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

Well, the blast kills things large enough, with enough biomass, to support that Flood. It would be hard to make an explosion that kills the small and not the large.

[Edited on 01.21.2011 8:20 PM PST]

  • 01.21.2011 8:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: Vigred Salas
Doubt the Forerunners would sacrifice so many to feed the Flood, which the Didact considered the worst heresy against the Mantle the Forerunners had ever encountered

Forerunners never knew Humanity's secret to beating the Flood, one of the San'Shyuum knew but the Forerunners unwittingly killed him attacking their homeworld.

  • 01.21.2011 10:01 PM PDT


Posted by: The Sizzler
Posted by: Onyx81
I don't think the flood can be affected by Halo...

I know. Which is why I am saying "Why not invent a weapon that would kill the Flood instead of everything else?"

I mean, if the humans and Prophets can do it, surely the Forerunners can too.


They can't. At the time of the original Flood, it was NOT the Flood as we knew it. It merely turned you into a cannibal, not really forced you into a collective state of super-consciousness controlled by the Gravemind. In fact, it appears the Mind didn't even exist at the time, and neither did the Flood Super Cell (FSC).

It is stated in Cryptum that the the original Flood was defeated but only to extreme losses and sacrifice. But the Forerunners found them again in new and unexpected forms; hence, the modern Flood.

It would seem the Flood evolved to become adaptable to any form of offensive meassure; the FSC can create any organ or any Flood variant it needs to accomplish the Gravemind's tasks.

The Pre-War Flood was primitive both in methods and design (yet still almost destroyed the Human Empire). The Flood we know of cannot be cured, and its new methods of instant evolutionary adaptation by way of the FSC and the omniscient intellect of the Gravemind make the Flood that WE know virtually impossible to fight.

So no, the Humans and the Prophets never found a cure for the Gravemind's Flood, as any cure is impossible; the FSC will adapt it.

  • 01.22.2011 5:44 AM PDT
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Posted by: Lord Snakie
If there's an answer to your question, this would likely be it.

EDIT: Nevermind, I've just read something that states that Cryptum apparently overrode that theory.

Lovely.


How? What did Cryptum say about the Halo Effect that we didn't already know?

It merely just explained the specific science behind it, science that could easily have been figured out by the way it was presented anyway, so what's the problem.


He's just sad that his theory got busted by the true canon(Cryptum)

Theory=assumptions=non canon

So why angry Snaky?

  • 01.22.2011 5:54 AM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
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The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Probably has to do something with the Flood Supercell. Probably there is no cure for the Flood infestation or anyway to kill it simply. So killing it's food is the best way to stop them.

  • 01.22.2011 5:56 AM PDT

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The halo's do destroy flood, or it least destroy combat forms, and graveminds.

  • 01.22.2011 6:04 AM PDT

We will know soon enough, but it will require thought. Deep thought. Mendicant Bias must be found. The Mantle will soon follow.

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I'm unsure if I'm going to be fully correct or not (considering I'm 3/4 through Cryptum), but I do believe Bornstellar's father's original Halo design was modified by someone else, the Master Builder, most likely. Though, now that I think of it, it was most likely modified in order to more effectively kill Flood. Again, I haven't finished Cryptum, but given what I've seen... well, that's all I've got.

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  • 01.22.2011 6:59 AM PDT
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Posted by: Vigred Salas
Humaity and the Prophets created a set of genes that they inserted into 1/3 of their population that were then sacrificed. The genes when absorbed by the Flood, caused the flood form to die out.
Doubt the Forerunners would sacrifice so many to feed the Flood, which the Didact considered the worst heresy against the Mantle the Forerunners had ever encountered

No, Didact considered the Halo rings the worst heresy against the Mantle.

  • 01.22.2011 7:19 AM PDT

We will know soon enough, but it will require thought. Deep thought. Mendicant Bias must be found. The Mantle will soon follow.

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Posted by: The Sizzler
Posted by: Vigred Salas
Humaity and the Prophets created a set of genes that they inserted into 1/3 of their population that were then sacrificed. The genes when absorbed by the Flood, caused the flood form to die out.
Doubt the Forerunners would sacrifice so many to feed the Flood, which the Didact considered the worst heresy against the Mantle the Forerunners had ever encountered

No, Didact considered the Halo rings the worst heresy against the Mantle.


Going off-topic.

  • 01.22.2011 7:27 AM PDT
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Posted by: hotshot revan II
He's just sad that his theory got busted by the true canon(Cryptum)

Theory=assumptions=non canon

So why angry Snaky?

Trololol

Petty insults=petty=lolz

Theories aren't always meant to be right, they're meant to be an exercise for the mind. I did what I loved doing and I'm fine with being wrong. What I'm not fine with is the fact that there is actually a perfectly scientific reason behind the entire array and they chose not to use it. That theory explained everything, and they chose to use something that makes less sense despite their own canon having supported the previous conclusion.

Which goes back to 343i being lazy and worthless, in my opinion.

Oh, by the way, learn some manners. Even if you don't like me you don't have to ridicule me for my opinions and the contributions I've made here.

[Edited on 01.22.2011 8:36 AM PST]

  • 01.22.2011 8:16 AM PDT


Posted by: The Sizzler
But it also kills everything that they were supposed to protect. It would be like if in WW2, instead of nuking Japan to end the war, we nuked everything else so there's no point for them to expand.

Yeah, but the Japanese arn't a paracite hell bent on consuming the entire globe!

Also, The flood would starve to death with no life left. The japanese would just repopulate the globe with themselfs.

You can't create a weapon that could kill just the flood, any easier than it is to bring people back from the dead after 50 years, its almost impossible.

The Forerunners would have had to destroy every last flood spore to compleatly eradicate it. That would probably involve burning the surface of a planet with whatever the Forerunners possessed to kill it all off.

In the end, there would probably be no habbitable planets left for the Forerunners to populate. It would be easyer to remove all sentient life from the galaxy, allow the flood to die out, then repopulate the galaxy on undamaged worlds.

p.s. I don't know why you brought the Japanese in to this, its a bit racist :/

  • 01.22.2011 9:13 AM PDT

Why did the chicken cross the Möbius strip? To get to the same side, bazinga!!!

I would wager that no races besides the Forerunners are intelligent or advanced enough to reprogram the rings and like others have stated the idea of programming it to seek out the flood specifically was obviously not feasible at the time it was built.

[Edited on 01.22.2011 9:31 AM PST]

  • 01.22.2011 9:25 AM PDT
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p.s. I don't know why you brought the Japanese in to this, its a bit racist :/

...It's history. And the best war example I could think of.

  • 01.22.2011 10:56 AM PDT

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Ya'know I have to ask how you starve the Flood. They were on Halo for how long?

  • 01.22.2011 11:09 AM PDT