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Subject: Does the PoA being on Reach break cannon?

Posted by: JHOX
Here's my advice to you son, its a life lesson you shan't forget.

Some people are like Slinkies. They aren't good for anything in particular, but it still makes you smile when you push them down the stairs

When I was playing Halo: Reach, I noticed something. It's been said that during the battle of reach, the PoA was about to leave the system to the first halo ring, but was recalled to the ship-breaking yards in Azod. This is when you, as the player, deliver the fragment of Cortana to Keyes. But I think that it is impossible for the PoA to land on the surface of Reach. If I remember correctly, frigates are the only UNSC starships that are rated for atmosphere.

That means that there could be no way that the PoA, a halcyon class cruiser, landed on Reach at the end of the game. Of course, I could have false memory, or the Autumn somehow got on Reach by a special, unknown way. What do you guys think? Does the PoA being on reach break cannon?

  • 01.22.2011 5:53 PM PDT

No

  • 01.22.2011 6:21 PM PDT

Reach was lost when you deliver the package to Keyes, so I don't really think the UNSC would care if they broke some rules.

  • 01.22.2011 6:23 PM PDT

The game is different then the books, but I have thought of a simple retcon to fix it. Instead of the pelican with the spartan IIs in it dropping from orbit, say The Pillar of Autumn itself landed and Reach and that the pelican went to the generators after it landed.

  • 01.22.2011 6:28 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Yes, the Autumn being on Reach is absolute bollocks.

For one, Halcyon-class ships are not rated for atmosphere.

While the Chief and Linda where going after the NAV database on the Circumference, the Autumn was taking out a Covenant ship.

You don't honestly expect me to believe that in 31 minutes (0616 Hours, Chief, Linda, James leave the Autumn - 0647 Hours Cortana mops up a few Seraphs and activates the Shaw-Fujikawa engine) the Autumn chases down a Covenant ship, slingshots around a planet to get back to Reach (at this point Keyes actually contacts the Chief, saying he is on his way directly to pick him up).

Instead he gets a call from command telling him to land back on Reach, he lands on Reach, waits for Noble 6 to arrive, waits for Six to take out several waves of Covenant, picks up the fragment from Six and leaves the planet and still makes it to the rendezvous point in time. All this in under 31 minutes.

  • 01.22.2011 6:39 PM PDT

The Autumn can be on Reach, there's time after picking up Chief from the space op for it to work. Because the last level of Reach is happening in the later afternoon of the 30th, and the concluding events of TFoR are in the early morning, so the only that would be changed if my guess is right is the Autumn jumping right to Halo after picking up Chief.

  • 01.22.2011 6:56 PM PDT

Posted by: JHOX
Here's my advice to you son, its a life lesson you shan't forget.

Some people are like Slinkies. They aren't good for anything in particular, but it still makes you smile when you push them down the stairs

Posted by: OrderedComa
The Autumn can be on Reach, there's time after picking up Chief from the space op for it to work. Because the last level of Reach is happening in the later afternoon of the 30th, and the concluding events of TFoR are in the early morning, so the only that would be changed if my guess is right is the Autumn jumping right to Halo after picking up Chief.

OK I'm back, sorry about that :p

The problem that I have with the PoA is not when it was on Reach. It's how it got to be on the planet in the first place. The Autumn was IN SPACE when it was called to the ship yards in Azod. UNSC frigates are the only starships that can hover in atmosphere. If the Autumn tried to land on Reach, it would be like the landing in Halo 1. And we all know how that went...

  • 01.22.2011 7:22 PM PDT

Posted by: JHOX
Here's my advice to you son, its a life lesson you shan't forget.

Some people are like Slinkies. They aren't good for anything in particular, but it still makes you smile when you push them down the stairs


Posted by: ajw34307
Yes, the Autumn being on Reach is absolute bollocks.

For one, Halcyon-class ships are not rated for atmosphere.

While the Chief and Linda where going after the NAV database on the Circumference, the Autumn was taking out a Covenant ship.

You don't honestly expect me to believe that in 31 minutes (0616 Hours, Chief, Linda, James leave the Autumn - 0647 Hours Cortana mops up a few Seraphs and activates the Shaw-Fujikawa engine) the Autumn chases down a Covenant ship, slingshots around a planet to get back to Reach (at this point Keyes actually contacts the Chief, saying he is on his way directly to pick him up).

Instead he gets a call from command telling him to land back on Reach, he lands on Reach, waits for Noble 6 to arrive, waits for Six to take out several waves of Covenant, picks up the fragment from Six and leaves the planet and still makes it to the rendezvous point in time. All this in under 31 minutes.

Exactly.

  • 01.22.2011 7:24 PM PDT

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Maybe there was a ship that docked on top of the PoA and brought it to the surface of Reach. Kinda like a tugboat...

  • 01.22.2011 11:23 PM PDT

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I was wondering about that too.

There are a couple ways you can retcon it to fit. Why bungie!? Why?

  • 01.23.2011 12:29 AM PDT


Posted by: N00b Xtrmnatr
When I was playing Halo: Reach, I noticed something. It's been said that during the battle of reach, the PoA was about to leave the system to the first halo ring, but was recalled to the ship-breaking yards in Azod. This is when you, as the player, deliver the fragment of Cortana to Keyes. But I think that it is impossible for the PoA to land on the surface of Reach. If I remember correctly, frigates are the only UNSC starships that are rated for atmosphere.

That means that there could be no way that the PoA, a halcyon class cruiser, landed on Reach at the end of the game. Of course, I could have false memory, or the Autumn somehow got on Reach by a special, unknown way. What do you guys think? Does the PoA being on reach break cannon?

heres a quote from the book "She can take a real beating" OH and in halo legends origins 2 you see halcyon ships on a planet Flying so there are ways for halycyon ships to go in athsmophere

[Edited on 01.23.2011 2:46 AM PST]

  • 01.23.2011 2:39 AM PDT
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Posted by: dante144
I was wondering about that too.

There are a couple ways you can retcon it to fit. Why bungie!? Why?

Because 7 years after the book was written by a third party, Bungie decided that it could be rewritten better.

  • 01.23.2011 2:53 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: Alf stewert
Posted by: N00b Xtrmnatr
When I was playing Halo: Reach, I noticed something. It's been said that during the battle of reach, the PoA was about to leave the system to the first halo ring, but was recalled to the ship-breaking yards in Azod. This is when you, as the player, deliver the fragment of Cortana to Keyes. But I think that it is impossible for the PoA to land on the surface of Reach. If I remember correctly, frigates are the only UNSC starships that are rated for atmosphere.

That means that there could be no way that the PoA, a halcyon class cruiser, landed on Reach at the end of the game. Of course, I could have false memory, or the Autumn somehow got on Reach by a special, unknown way. What do you guys think? Does the PoA being on reach break cannon?

heres a quote from the book "She can take a real beating" OH and in halo legends origins 2 you see halcyon ships on a planet Flying so there are ways for halycyon ships to go in athsmophere


Er... no, the only Halcyon-class ship seen in Origins is the Autumn when we breifly see it followed by the Seeker of Truth.

  • 01.23.2011 5:08 AM PDT

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yet.

Yes.

  • 01.23.2011 5:49 AM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: Alf stewert
Posted by: N00b Xtrmnatr
When I was playing Halo: Reach, I noticed something. It's been said that during the battle of reach, the PoA was about to leave the system to the first halo ring, but was recalled to the ship-breaking yards in Azod. This is when you, as the player, deliver the fragment of Cortana to Keyes. But I think that it is impossible for the PoA to land on the surface of Reach. If I remember correctly, frigates are the only UNSC starships that are rated for atmosphere.

That means that there could be no way that the PoA, a halcyon class cruiser, landed on Reach at the end of the game. Of course, I could have false memory, or the Autumn somehow got on Reach by a special, unknown way. What do you guys think? Does the PoA being on reach break cannon?

heres a quote from the book "She can take a real beating" OH and in halo legends origins 2 you see halcyon ships on a planet Flying so there are ways for halycyon ships to go in athsmophere


Er... no, the only Halcyon-class ship seen in Origins is the Autumn when we breifly see it followed by the Seeker of Truth.
what are you blind? origins part 2 on the planet I can count a couple of Halcyon ships flying with the covenant 8:14 mins in. that or their Marathon-class Cruiser but thats in the same stakes as the Halcyon Cruisers

[Edited on 01.23.2011 6:04 AM PST]

  • 01.23.2011 5:59 AM PDT
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Not rated for atmosphere doesn't mean it's impossible.

  • 01.23.2011 6:06 AM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Game canon overwrites book canon.

  • 01.23.2011 6:14 AM PDT

Posted by: JHOX
Here's my advice to you son, its a life lesson you shan't forget.

Some people are like Slinkies. They aren't good for anything in particular, but it still makes you smile when you push them down the stairs


Posted by: Schulzy3
Reach was lost when you deliver the package to Keyes, so I don't really think the UNSC would care if they broke some rules.

....But it would be phyiscally impossible for the Autumn to be there. It's not about rules or regulations, it's about a cruiser being able to be in atmosphere. It wouldn't be able to support the weight of the ship.

  • 01.23.2011 6:53 AM PDT

Posted by: JHOX
Here's my advice to you son, its a life lesson you shan't forget.

Some people are like Slinkies. They aren't good for anything in particular, but it still makes you smile when you push them down the stairs


Posted by: GPK Ethan
Maybe there was a ship that docked on top of the PoA and brought it to the surface of Reach. Kinda like a tugboat...

Yeah, I thought about this too.

  • 01.23.2011 6:54 AM PDT

Posted by: JHOX
Here's my advice to you son, its a life lesson you shan't forget.

Some people are like Slinkies. They aren't good for anything in particular, but it still makes you smile when you push them down the stairs


Posted by: Alf stewert

Posted by: N00b Xtrmnatr
When I was playing Halo: Reach, I noticed something. It's been said that during the battle of reach, the PoA was about to leave the system to the first halo ring, but was recalled to the ship-breaking yards in Azod. This is when you, as the player, deliver the fragment of Cortana to Keyes. But I think that it is impossible for the PoA to land on the surface of Reach. If I remember correctly, frigates are the only UNSC starships that are rated for atmosphere.

That means that there could be no way that the PoA, a halcyon class cruiser, landed on Reach at the end of the game. Of course, I could have false memory, or the Autumn somehow got on Reach by a special, unknown way. What do you guys think? Does the PoA being on reach break cannon?

heres a quote from the book "She can take a real beating" OH and in halo legends origins 2 you see halcyon ships on a planet Flying so there are ways for halycyon ships to go in athsmophere

No doubt she could, but the Autumn wouldn't win against the laws of gravity. And for Origins, I haven't seen it yet, but I'll try and find that scene when I get the DVD.

  • 01.23.2011 7:00 AM PDT

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It does break canon. It's not just landed there to get Cortana, it's there with its engines fully spun down and completely cold.
They have to begin the launch sequence from scratch when Six and Emile approach.

It was there the whole time. You wouldn't land a helicopter in the middle of a hot combat zone, stop the rotors and turn off the engines in a war today, why would they do it with a starship 500 years in the future?

Not to mention, it's just epically stupid. The weapon systems (most notably the Archer Missile Pods and the AA system of 40 cannons of 50mm calibre) are turned off as well. They almost get glassed, for God's sake.

  • 01.23.2011 7:37 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: Alf stewert
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: Alf stewert
Posted by: N00b Xtrmnatr
When I was playing Halo: Reach, I noticed something. It's been said that during the battle of reach, the PoA was about to leave the system to the first halo ring, but was recalled to the ship-breaking yards in Azod. This is when you, as the player, deliver the fragment of Cortana to Keyes. But I think that it is impossible for the PoA to land on the surface of Reach. If I remember correctly, frigates are the only UNSC starships that are rated for atmosphere.

That means that there could be no way that the PoA, a halcyon class cruiser, landed on Reach at the end of the game. Of course, I could have false memory, or the Autumn somehow got on Reach by a special, unknown way. What do you guys think? Does the PoA being on reach break cannon?

heres a quote from the book "She can take a real beating" OH and in halo legends origins 2 you see halcyon ships on a planet Flying so there are ways for halycyon ships to go in athsmophere


Er... no, the only Halcyon-class ship seen in Origins is the Autumn when we breifly see it followed by the Seeker of Truth.
what are you blind? origins part 2 on the planet I can count a couple of Halcyon ships flying with the covenant 8:14 mins in. that or their Marathon-class Cruiser but thats in the same stakes as the Halcyon Cruisers


Ah, I see now. Yes, it's in that section that Cortana completely made up, the part where "humans and Covenant joined hands to fight the Flood".

  • 01.23.2011 7:37 AM PDT

I could actually see how PoA was on Reach. Reach was their chief settlement of military power, right? There were bound to be a ton of shipyards there capeable of producing a Halycon class cruiser. Also, there was speculation that PoA's maiden voyage was supposed to be from the drydock it was parked on in Reach.

  • 01.23.2011 8:17 AM PDT
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Nope, the Pillar of Autumn's cannons were intact. Landing on Reach didn't break any.

  • 01.23.2011 8:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: Snowy Zoe
I could actually see how PoA was on Reach. Reach was their chief settlement of military power, right? There were bound to be a ton of shipyards there capeable of producing a Halycon class cruiser. Also, there was speculation that PoA's maiden voyage was supposed to be from the drydock it was parked on in Reach.


The Autumn was in service as early as 2531 during the battle of Arcadia... -_-

  • 01.23.2011 8:20 AM PDT

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