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Subject: Does the PoA being on Reach break cannon?

Posted by: JHOX
Here's my advice to you son, its a life lesson you shan't forget.

Some people are like Slinkies. They aren't good for anything in particular, but it still makes you smile when you push them down the stairs

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: N00b Xtrmnatr

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Posted by: N00b Xtrmnatr

Posted by: OrderedComa

I don't see why there's a problem with it being in atmosphere, the Spirit of Fire, which is at least the same size, is seen in Halo Wars staying aloft in the atmosphere of the both the atmosphere of the outer "Flood World" and "Inner World" of the shield world. And the Autumn itself is seen flying off of Reach. It's simply too heavy to land and get back up into the air again without help.

The landing on Halo was only hard because systems were failing and they were running on a skeleton crew since almost everybody else had jumped ship by that point. And if it couldn't actually fly in atmosphere then I think it wouldn't have wound up so "straight" in its landing position, it would have wound up in a less natural position than what looked like an airplane landing.

Well, you're right. But the SoF is a colony ship, not a cruiser warship. They may be the same size, but not the same mass. Plus, I'm not bashing Ensemble Studios or anything, but they could've screwed up on the cannon because of overseen mistakes when Bungie gave the green-light for the cannon in Halo Wars. Unfortunetly, there is the whole "Game > Book cannon" thing, which I think is a middle finger to all the fans and writers of the books.
there was no canon dicrepincies at all in halo wars everything fit, and if you say spartans with shields thats only for gameplay not story

To be fair, neither of us could know if cannon was broken or not. We weren't there when Frankie and Ensemble were going over the cannon.

Back on topic now...

Directed to OrderedComa:

In Fall of Reach, at Sigma Octanus IV, The Iroquois, A UNSC destroyer, could BARELY stay up in orbit. What happened is the Iroquois crashed into a covenant stealth ship. The ship was said to be diminutive, which is another word for tiny or wee. Basically, Keyes plowed right through the ship with little damage. But when he tried to regain orbit, the ship began falling toward the planet. Keyes had to divert all power of the ship reactors to the engines, and use the emergengy thrusters.

"Lovell exploded the aft emergency thrusters and the Iroquois jumped. Lovell's eyes were locked on the repeater displays as he fought for every centimeter of maneuvering he could get. Sweat ran down his forehead and soaked his flight suit." "Orbit stabilizing-barely." Lovell said.

If a destroyer had that much trouble keeping itself from dropping like a fly to the planet, then how in the hell is the PoA, a cruiser, just sitting in Azod, perfectly fine, like nothing happen?


I would say that this would be an event where we defer to gameplay over what the books say. The gameplay shows ships in atmosphere that shouldn't be there, and the books say they should crash like rocks in a pond, I think this would be the case because Bungie has said, in regards to canon, that on small "discrepancies" between games and books, that the game/gameplay is the higher canon. The gameplay also shows lots of ships in atmosphere, I can't say what kinds they are, I've never really studied them, but they don't all look like just frigates.

I think the Games>Books makes sense, the writers can get things wrong, or take their creative license too far, and the games are the original source anyway. It's the same with Star Wars, the source made by the creators of the story has higher authority than someone who was given permission to write something falling within the larger mythos.

And if the Autumn were following the same case as what Nylund depicted for the Iroquois it should not have landed the way it did in CE.

What you say about cannon in regards to "Game > Books" is true, unfortunately. But just because Bungie can change cannon dosen't mean they should. Plus, maybe it's Bungie making the mistakes, not the writers. It seems like all of the work of the writers and the dedication of the fans were in vain.

And for the Autumn, Keyes was trying to land the ship on Halo, so it could be salvaged for supplies. Due to all the covie ships, the PoA was screwed anyway. So I think it can be safe to assume that when the time came for the Autumn to land on halo, that it would happen, with the Autmn being somewhat in the same condition (Badly damaged). In one of your earlier posts you said that the Autumn could fly in atmosphere due to the type of landing present in CE, or you at least assumed that if I'm correct. No doubt she could fly (or glide or whatever you call it) in atmosphere, for a limited time. Same for when I was talking about the Iroquois. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. That was probably due to the "dropping like a fly" statement I used. :)

  • 01.23.2011 6:47 PM PDT

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no read halseys journal

  • 01.23.2011 8:37 PM PDT

Posted by: N00b XtrmnatrThis guy knows what he's talking about, listen to him.


I'll try and tl;dr so you kids can understand.

-Pillar of Autumn was not rated for atmosphere. Only Frigates and Colony ships can fly in and leave atmosphere.

-The Pillar of Autumn was leaving the system when Reach was attacked. It returned and immediately dropped off the Spartans via Pelican, then joined the space battle, destroying several ships. Then it immediately picked up Spartan 117, Linda's corpse, & Johnson and some Marines.

-The entire battle of Reach lasted just a few hours. It would take at least a day to land a ship precisely, outfit it with boosters, shut down its engines and weapons, and restart them.

-In the game, the PoA was in a junkyard, not a shipyard. Shipyards are all in space because they don't have to fight gravity.

-Common sense points. Why land the PoA in the middle of a warzone? Why not have it fight? Why not just fly a Pelican through the atmosphere, since it is rated for it? Why were the weapons not firing? Why were the PoA's Longswords not supporting? etc.



What Bungie has done is not alter canon. They have effectively rewritten it, rendering several novels and countless man hours by fans and writers into expensive fanfiction. They effectively broke existing canon to replace it with a small-scale, boring "story", riddled with holes and pointless plot points.

And you know what? I want my money back for those books. I didn't pay for fanfiction.

[Edited on 01.23.2011 10:16 PM PST]

  • 01.23.2011 10:13 PM PDT
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the Poa on reach does NOT break canon. ok the PoA picks up John, Linda, and the rest at 0625 hours. N6 drops off cortana fragment at 1625 that gives the PoA 10 hours to get to where you will drop off package.

EDIT: those books were not "fanfiction" as you put it when you bought them there fore you are not getting your money back.

[Edited on 01.24.2011 3:10 AM PST]

  • 01.24.2011 3:09 AM PDT

Posted by: JHOX
Here's my advice to you son, its a life lesson you shan't forget.

Some people are like Slinkies. They aren't good for anything in particular, but it still makes you smile when you push them down the stairs


Posted by: SergeantxDeath
no read halseys journal

What passage in Halsey's journal relates to the PoA being on Reach? I'll try and find it. But I don't remember any passage talking about the Autumn at all.

  • 01.24.2011 1:37 PM PDT

What the hell is a signature?

nope. Nothing in reach broke the cannon in my opinion

  • 01.24.2011 1:42 PM PDT

Posted by: DrMod
the Poa on reach does NOT break canon. ok the PoA picks up John, Linda, and the rest at 0625 hours. N6 drops off cortana fragment at 1625 that gives the PoA 10 hours to get to where you will drop off package.
10 hours to enter atmosphere, the only possible method with assistance, shut everything down, get outfitted with boosters in atmosphere, fighting gravity at every step, and restart all systems in 10 hours? And all this during the middle of a losing battle? Honestly, sometimes you need to let common sense take priority over desperation to patch things up. haphazardly.

EDIT: those books were not "fanfiction" as you put it when you bought them there fore you are not getting your money back.The books are fanfiction now. That means that they took my money and gave me fanfiction for it. Their status at the time doesn't matter.

  • 01.24.2011 2:18 PM PDT

[quote]Posted by: DirectLonely
No, legends can't be considered canon, just look at spartan 1337 and tell me its canon [quote]

Watch the commentary on legends dude, they say that Odd One Out isnt canon they told the writers to completly ignore canon and make something funny the rest of legends exept for origins fits canon

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rewatched origins i think i fits canon as it isnt told as it happend but the way Cortana interperted it and she is almost 7 years old shes about to go rampant somethings might be messed up.

[Edited on 01.25.2011 5:19 AM PST]

  • 01.24.2011 2:58 PM PDT

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