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Subject: SPOILER/ The prisoner and Didact \SPOILER

I've realised that I've been expelled from my mother's uterus as if being shot from a canon, towards a barn door covered in rusty hooks and old nail files. It's a matter of how you use the intervening time in an intelligent and ironic way, and try not to do anything dastardly to your fellow creatures.

Just finished the book and kind of wtfing.

Is the prisoner supposed to be grave mind or was it just a precursor (which apparently have four arms, a tail with spikes and a squid face).

Also am I the only one who thinks Didact shouldn't have been killed off? Cause now some 12 year old will end up activating the rings and the librarian is like a cougar now.

Btw, I think it was a great book and all that I was just like wut for these parts.

  • 01.25.2011 8:43 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

It is suggested that the Prisoner of Charum Hakkor is the Gravemind, but not confirmed, I'd like to think that it was and we've been fighting the last Precursor through the trilogy.

Also, the Didact wasn't really "killed off" because, though Faber executed his original form, he transferred all his memories and thoughts, Bornstellar (far from just being 12 -_-) became the Didact.

If Born was 12 at the time he became the Didact, he'd at least be 312 when he fires the Rings. :P

[Edited on 01.25.2011 8:49 AM PST]

  • 01.25.2011 8:47 AM PDT

I've realised that I've been expelled from my mother's uterus as if being shot from a canon, towards a barn door covered in rusty hooks and old nail files. It's a matter of how you use the intervening time in an intelligent and ironic way, and try not to do anything dastardly to your fellow creatures.

I'm pretty sure in the book it mentions the flood being back for 300 years. Can't remember where hough, and I'm not going through the whole book again to find the page haha.
If I'm wrong 312 is better, but still a child by forerunner standards :P

  • 01.25.2011 9:06 AM PDT

The Razor.

For the honour of the Mirratord.

Let's say the last Precursor is the Gravemind. The only problem I have with this is I cannot fathom why a Precursor would want to infect the entire galaxy. I guess it's possible that he himself became infected, and the Precursor's awesomeness meant he was more powerful and intelligent than the average Flood, but I don't know.

  • 01.25.2011 9:48 AM PDT

Posted by: ajw34307
It is suggested that the Prisoner of Charum Hakkor is the Gravemind, but not confirmed, I'd like to think that it was and we've been fighting the last Precursor through the trilogy.


regardless of whether the precursor is the original gravemind, it wouldn't have been the gravemind you fight in the halo trilogy, as that gravemind had developed after the flood-forerunner war from the flood specimens on delta halo.

  • 01.25.2011 9:53 AM PDT
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Posted by: guiltyspark004
Posted by: ajw34307
It is suggested that the Prisoner of Charum Hakkor is the Gravemind, but not confirmed, I'd like to think that it was and we've been fighting the last Precursor through the trilogy.


regardless of whether the precursor is the original gravemind, it wouldn't have been the gravemind you fight in the halo trilogy, as that gravemind had developed after the flood-forerunner war from the flood specimens on delta halo.


Each gravemind is the same one except with a different body but the same mind,memories ...

  • 01.25.2011 9:59 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: guiltyspark004
Posted by: ajw34307
It is suggested that the Prisoner of Charum Hakkor is the Gravemind, but not confirmed, I'd like to think that it was and we've been fighting the last Precursor through the trilogy.


regardless of whether the precursor is the original gravemind, it wouldn't have been the gravemind you fight in the halo trilogy, as that gravemind had developed after the flood-forerunner war from the flood specimens on delta halo.


True. The Precursor/Gravemind would have been killed when the Didact fired Halo.

CORRECTION: Actually, possibly not. Mendicant Bias test fired a Halo Ring next to Charum Hakkor and that's what set the Precursor free.

[Edited on 01.25.2011 10:01 AM PST]

  • 01.25.2011 10:00 AM PDT

Seriously Oak, Ive been doing this -blam!- for 16 years, gimmie my Friggen starter Pokemon and dont call me till im the champion! ¬_¬

a precursor / flood form could be something that we're gonna see.

Theres speculation charum haktor is the legendary planet from halo 3, and i havnt finished the book, but im gonna go with the speculation that the prisoner is still there (Cant go anywhere without a ship - should probobly think through getting involved in this theory till i have!)

Anyway, my point is if he has some sort of flood infection, chances are he'd survive the halo firing and probobly much, much more

and would make a badass foe for the next MC story game

What leads me mainly to this is the halo 3 terminals, mainly the whole medicant bias sending you to "His Masters" (Or makers, im not sure), and if not the forerunners, could be the penutalmate core of all flood knowledge, or even the true keeper of the mantle of whom the flood would have told him

Feel free to discredit because im not up to speed yet, but i will be soon! c:

  • 01.25.2011 12:59 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: ajw34307
CORRECTION: Actually, possibly not. Mendicant Bias test fired a Halo Ring next to Charum Hakkor and that's what set the Precursor free.

I never thought about that. That thing survived a halo pulse.

The Gravemind fears Halo though, does everything in his power to stop it. He is not immune like the Captive. Unless the Gravemind can actually survive, but the lack of biomass causes him to waste away over time? I don't remember if it was ever stated that Halo directly destroys the Gravemind.

  • 01.25.2011 1:19 PM PDT

Seriously Oak, Ive been doing this -blam!- for 16 years, gimmie my Friggen starter Pokemon and dont call me till im the champion! ¬_¬


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: ajw34307
CORRECTION: Actually, possibly not. Mendicant Bias test fired a Halo Ring next to Charum Hakkor and that's what set the Precursor free.

I never thought about that. That thing survived a halo pulse.

The Gravemind fears Halo though, does everything in his power to stop it. He is not immune like the Captive. Unless the Gravemind can actually survive, but the lack of biomass causes him to waste away over time? I don't remember if it was ever stated that Halo directly destroys the Gravemind.


Im pretty sure the flood use something like the domain, again, im not up to speed yet, but i was always sure the flood was one solid consciousness

and from what i can tell the flood came from soo deep out of the galaxy im sure even the Halo blast couldnt spread to it

My guess its the same way the flood survived the first time... though it was still in the halo ring.... Anyone know why? or How?

  • 01.25.2011 1:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mr Evil 37
Let's say the last Precursor is the Gravemind. The only problem I have with this is I cannot fathom why a Precursor would want to infect the entire galaxy. I guess it's possible that he himself became infected, and the Precursor's awesomeness meant he was more powerful and intelligent than the average Flood, but I don't know.


I think you're onto something. I seem to remember the images of flood forms in "Origins" from Halo Legends. They were truly ghastly, and huge. I think the flood gained the knowledge of it's infected host. If this is the case, the infected Precursor would be something to be feared.

  • 01.25.2011 1:31 PM PDT


Posted by: Mr Evil 37
Let's say the last Precursor is the Gravemind. The only problem I have with this is I cannot fathom why a Precursor would want to infect the entire galaxy. I guess it's possible that he himself became infected, and the Precursor's awesomeness meant he was more powerful and intelligent than the average Flood, but I don't know.


forerunners rose up and rebelled against the precursors and destroyed them all, the flood was their last laugh against their species as u will

  • 01.25.2011 1:35 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: ajw34307
CORRECTION: Actually, possibly not. Mendicant Bias test fired a Halo Ring next to Charum Hakkor and that's what set the Precursor free.

I never thought about that. That thing survived a halo pulse.

The Gravemind fears Halo though, does everything in his power to stop it. He is not immune like the Captive. Unless the Gravemind can actually survive, but the lack of biomass causes him to waste away over time? I don't remember if it was ever stated that Halo directly destroys the Gravemind.


the gravemind feared his source of knowledge and food source being wiped out not the flood

  • 01.25.2011 1:38 PM PDT


Posted by: drake3011

Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: ajw34307
CORRECTION: Actually, possibly not. Mendicant Bias test fired a Halo Ring next to Charum Hakkor and that's what set the Precursor free.

I never thought about that. That thing survived a halo pulse.

The Gravemind fears Halo though, does everything in his power to stop it. He is not immune like the Captive. Unless the Gravemind can actually survive, but the lack of biomass causes him to waste away over time? I don't remember if it was ever stated that Halo directly destroys the Gravemind.


Im pretty sure the flood use something like the domain, again, im not up to speed yet, but i was always sure the flood was one solid consciousness

and from what i can tell the flood came from soo deep out of the galaxy im sure even the Halo blast couldnt spread to it

My guess its the same way the flood survived the first time... though it was still in the halo ring.... Anyone know why? or How?

the halo ring kills everything around it not whats inside when fired remember the librian used them as a co-op to keep her specimens she collected on like the ark

  • 01.25.2011 1:40 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: ajw34307
CORRECTION: Actually, possibly not. Mendicant Bias test fired a Halo Ring next to Charum Hakkor and that's what set the Precursor free.

I never thought about that. That thing survived a halo pulse.

The Gravemind fears Halo though, does everything in his power to stop it. He is not immune like the Captive. Unless the Gravemind can actually survive, but the lack of biomass causes him to waste away over time? I don't remember if it was ever stated that Halo directly destroys the Gravemind.


Mind can survive the Rings. He was simply damaged when the first one fired, not killed off. Notice how the Mind WE fight has the same memories and overall conscious mind as the old one?

Notice how it seems Precursors don't die? (The Captive was tens of millions, possibly hundreds of millions, years old).

There is a lot of evidence saying the Mind is a Precursor.

  • 01.25.2011 4:14 PM PDT

An assassin will always carry on, even after death.

Found something on Halopedia that could suggest the Precursor is the Gravemind.


Mendicant Bias was tasked with resisting the Flood by studying and exploiting the weaknesses of the first Gravemind. For forty-three years(Charum Hakkor before firing Halo?), Mendicant Bias engaged in dialogue with the Gravemind in an effort to find such weakness, sending logs of these conversations to his Forerunner masters

  • 01.25.2011 4:45 PM PDT

“If I had more skill in what I'm attempting, I wouldn't need so much courage”

Pardon my ignorance...but what/when/where are we talking about? I find this discussion interesting but, want a reference point to start from.

  • 01.25.2011 4:58 PM PDT

An assassin will always carry on, even after death.


Posted by: medic152
Pardon my ignorance...but what/when/where are we talking about? I find this discussion interesting but, want a reference point to start from.

The new book Halo:Cryptum

  • 01.25.2011 5:03 PM PDT

“If I had more skill in what I'm attempting, I wouldn't need so much courage”

thanks. now all i need to do is read the book. rather find a book store close enough to go buy it, i've been looking forward to it...heard its good.

  • 01.25.2011 5:04 PM PDT

I've realised that I've been expelled from my mother's uterus as if being shot from a canon, towards a barn door covered in rusty hooks and old nail files. It's a matter of how you use the intervening time in an intelligent and ironic way, and try not to do anything dastardly to your fellow creatures.


Posted by: Skulblaka
Found something on Halopedia that could suggest the Precursor is the Gravemind.


Mendicant Bias was tasked with resisting the Flood by studying and exploiting the weaknesses of the first Gravemind. For forty-three years(Charum Hakkor before firing Halo?), Mendicant Bias engaged in dialogue with the Gravemind in an effort to find such weakness, sending logs of these conversations to his Forerunner masters

Maybe the prisoner was just an infected precursor (Didact mentioned that it looked badly deformed and I didn't think one of the most powerful beings in the universe looking like it was described). The gravemind may have just been talking through it (as seen in halo 3).

If this is true and the gravemind is speaking through the prisoner, this could mean that when it said it was a precursor, was it talking about the gravemind, or the prisoner?

  • 01.25.2011 5:39 PM PDT

An assassin will always carry on, even after death.


Posted by: nidas leo 117

Posted by: Skulblaka
Found something on Halopedia that could suggest the Precursor is the Gravemind.


Mendicant Bias was tasked with resisting the Flood by studying and exploiting the weaknesses of the first Gravemind. For forty-three years(Charum Hakkor before firing Halo?), Mendicant Bias engaged in dialogue with the Gravemind in an effort to find such weakness, sending logs of these conversations to his Forerunner masters

Maybe the prisoner was just an infected precursor (Didact mentioned that it looked badly deformed and I didn't think one of the most powerful beings in the universe looking like it was described). The gravemind may have just been talking through it (as seen in halo 3).

If this is true and the gravemind is speaking through the prisoner, this could mean that when it said it was a precursor, was it talking about the gravemind, or the prisoner?


Thats a good point too.

  • 01.26.2011 9:07 AM PDT

And So Forerunner And Flood Became One.

I don't think the captive would have been able to survive a halo pulse, that's imppoossssiiibbbllleeee! If he did survive the halo firing then I think the pulse destroyed the captive's cage and set it free. Bias must have rescued it off the planet after it was free and the captive must have used precursor magics to Bias to make him go all nuts and attack the Forerunner Capital. But I don't think Bias went rampant, It was just being influenced by something.

  • 01.26.2011 10:16 AM PDT

The Flood virus is like 'boot-strap' code for taking over lifeforms, but once they infect enough hosts they create a Gravemind. It's like having enough servers to deploy the Admin program. Then they can start coordinating their strategy much more intelligently.

Alternatively, they could infect one vast intelligence, who could be an instant gravemind, as it were. Precursors might be viable candidates for this.

OR, maybe the Precursor captive merely decided he would harness the Flood for his own gain, since he was powerful enough to take over the Flood telepathic 'network.' Sort of like Durandal in the Marathon games, who's got a mind powerful enough to take over various things like the S'pht/Compilers race.

Perhaps the Precursors are the Flood, and they control the whole universe, but for some reason a mutation in our own galaxy caused individuality to take over, and the Flood were booted out. Sort of like in Star Trek how some of the Borg break away from the Collective. Perhaps the captive was the original 'mutation' of individuality.

Or

perhaps the captive is God

have a look at this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forerunners_(The_History_of_the_ Galaxy)

  • 01.26.2011 10:17 AM PDT

And So Forerunner And Flood Became One.

Posted by: Traxus 04
perhaps the captive is God

Scary God with Tail-head makes me sad

  • 01.26.2011 10:20 AM PDT

Bungie like their mythological references. I would suggest examining the image of the Captive, ie. described as half-man half-scorpion. See if that's inspired by anything in mythology.

For instance you have the Scorpion King, pharoah of Egypt.
You also have Scorpio the zodiac sign, who kills Orion the warrior

  • 01.26.2011 10:23 AM PDT

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