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Subject: Necromorphs vs The Flood

The flood has no regard for the limitations of its own host body. That is why they hit so much harder and jump so far etc etc.

  • 01.29.2011 9:24 AM PDT
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The flood are definitely more powerful as many people have stated but IMO the Necromorphs are more scary and creepy.

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Necromorphs are stronger, but the Flood have numbers and intelligence. I think the Flood wins.

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Really this isn't a question of eneimes, this is a question of heros.
Master Chief is 8 Foot tall supersoldier. Well yea.
But on the other Hand, Issac Clarke is an Degree carrying engineer.
And the as we see in half life, the badass scientist always wins.

  • 01.29.2011 10:20 AM PDT

Yes it is spelt like that on purpose.

This is a really good question! I think in my mind the floods intelligence and numbers gives them the win. As was mentioned already necromorphs simply follow an animilistic instinct, where the flood can be much more organized with a fully realized gravemind.

[Edited on 01.29.2011 10:22 AM PST]

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Posted by: DeathBringer669
Necromorphs are stronger, but the Flood have numbers and intelligence. I think the Flood wins.


No they aren't

Try fight an enemy who can create any flood form the size they want

*points to Halo legends*

Note:The flood defeated Forerunner ground troops who can rip ships apart and destroy entire continents

  • 01.29.2011 12:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh


And (I don't know if the Necros can do this, but, eh) the Flood is also an airborne disease as well.

Flood>Necros
I dont think the flood is actually airborne. If they were then infection forms would be redundant. The only thing the spores do is spread biomass and create growth pods. The only time we see anything that suggests an airborne infection is in Halo wars, but the flood in that have so many inconsistencies that its impossible to say whats really canon. plus the gravemind was breathing spores everywhere in Halo 2, and the arbiter didnt get infected (he lacks an air filter like mastercheif)

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Posted by: Darthbill99
Posted by: ROBERTO jh


And (I don't know if the Necros can do this, but, eh) the Flood is also an airborne disease as well.

Flood>Necros
I dont think the flood is actually airborne. If they were then infection forms would be redundant. The only thing the spores do is spread biomass and create growth pods. The only time we see anything that suggests an airborne infection is in Halo wars, but the flood in that have so many inconsistencies that its impossible to say whats really canon. plus the gravemind was breathing spores everywhere in Halo 2, and the arbiter didnt get infected (he lacks an air filter like mastercheif)


Flood spores are airborn too

Those spores can spread quickly in the atmosphere,transforming an environment in a flood hive and those spores infect beings as well.

What inconsistencies?Please explain,Halo Wars=canon
Deal with it

Gravemind probably didn't wanted to killarby that's why those spores didn't infected him.

Spores can infect,it happened with Kusovai

  • 01.29.2011 2:09 PM PDT

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: Darthbill99
Posted by: ROBERTO jh


And (I don't know if the Necros can do this, but, eh) the Flood is also an airborne disease as well.

Flood>Necros
I dont think the flood is actually airborne. If they were then infection forms would be redundant. The only thing the spores do is spread biomass and create growth pods. The only time we see anything that suggests an airborne infection is in Halo wars, but the flood in that have so many inconsistencies that its impossible to say whats really canon. plus the gravemind was breathing spores everywhere in Halo 2, and the arbiter didnt get infected (he lacks an air filter like mastercheif)


Flood spores are airborn too

Those spores can spread quickly in the atmosphere,transforming an environment in a flood hive and those spores infect beings as well.

What inconsistencies?Please explain,Halo Wars=canon
Deal with it

Gravemind probably didn't wanted to killarby that's why those spores didn't infected him.

Spores can infect,it happened with Kusovai


How do you explain Earth? If it was indeed airborne it would have made it to other parts of the planet, thank the elites for glassing the surrounding area.

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Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: Darthbill99
Posted by: ROBERTO jh


And (I don't know if the Necros can do this, but, eh) the Flood is also an airborne disease as well.

Flood>Necros
I dont think the flood is actually airborne. If they were then infection forms would be redundant. The only thing the spores do is spread biomass and create growth pods. The only time we see anything that suggests an airborne infection is in Halo wars, but the flood in that have so many inconsistencies that its impossible to say whats really canon. plus the gravemind was breathing spores everywhere in Halo 2, and the arbiter didnt get infected (he lacks an air filter like mastercheif)


Flood spores are airborn too

Those spores can spread quickly in the atmosphere,transforming an environment in a flood hive and those spores infect beings as well.

What inconsistencies?Please explain,Halo Wars=canon
Deal with it

Gravemind probably didn't wanted to killarby that's why those spores didn't infected him.

Spores can infect,it happened with Kusovai


How do you explain Earth? If it was indeed airborne it would have made it to other parts of the planet, thank the elites for glassing the surrounding area.


You explained that yourself

The elites have glassed half of africa

And if you play the game then you see spores spreading very quickly around the portal

What stops them flying through the air,those spores are like flying bugs:

http://www.halopedian.com/images/9/96/Flood_Spore.JPG

  • 01.29.2011 2:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: Darthbill99
Posted by: ROBERTO jh


And (I don't know if the Necros can do this, but, eh) the Flood is also an airborne disease as well.

Flood>Necros
I dont think the flood is actually airborne. If they were then infection forms would be redundant. The only thing the spores do is spread biomass and create growth pods. The only time we see anything that suggests an airborne infection is in Halo wars, but the flood in that have so many inconsistencies that its impossible to say whats really canon. plus the gravemind was breathing spores everywhere in Halo 2, and the arbiter didnt get infected (he lacks an air filter like mastercheif)


Flood spores are airborn too

Those spores can spread quickly in the atmosphere,transforming an environment in a flood hive and those spores infect beings as well.

What inconsistencies?Please explain,Halo Wars=canon
Deal with it

Gravemind probably didn't wanted to killarby that's why those spores didn't infected him.

Spores can infect,it happened with Kusovai


How do you explain Earth? If it was indeed airborne it would have made it to other parts of the planet, thank the elites for glassing the surrounding area.


You explained that yourself

The elites have glassed half of africa

And if you play the game then you see spores spreading very quickly around the portal

What stops them flying through the air,those spores are like flying bugs:

http://www.halopedian.com/images/9/96/Flood_Spore.JPG
I realize that the spores are airborne, but they cant infect people. and as for inconsistencies in Wars, grunts and jackles can become combat forms. this is inconsistent to every prior appearance of the flood ever, plus there are spores everywhere in the flood levels and you dont see the marines being bothered by it (albeit they usually dont last too long)

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Flood spores can infect marines in halo wars.The reason why they can't infect marines in bungies halo games is the same as why infection forms can't infect marines in ce and halo 2.

Bungie released some concept art of infected grunts

  • 01.29.2011 2:29 PM PDT


Posted by: Darthbill99
Posted by: ROBERTO jh


And (I don't know if the Necros can do this, but, eh) the Flood is also an airborne disease as well.

Flood>Necros
I dont think the flood is actually airborne. If they were then infection forms would be redundant. The only thing the spores do is spread biomass and create growth pods. The only time we see anything that suggests an airborne infection is in Halo wars, but the flood in that have so many inconsistencies that its impossible to say whats really canon. plus the gravemind was breathing spores everywhere in Halo 2, and the arbiter didnt get infected (he lacks an air filter like mastercheif)


"Your environment suit should serve you well when the Flood begins to malt(or something) in the atmosphere. You are a good planner."

--343 Guilty Spark

Remember, the Gravemind controls every aspect of the Flood, right down to who gets the axe and when and how. If he doesn't want the Arbiter dead, then he won't kill him with spores.

  • 01.29.2011 3:07 PM PDT

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The Necromorphs can only exist if there is a marker and if the marker is destroyed they dissolve away like a bad dream.

This is their weakness and why the Flood are a more dangerous contagion.

  • 01.29.2011 6:02 PM PDT

Doesn't the Necromorphs control an entire planet?

  • 01.29.2011 8:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Darthbill99
Posted by: ROBERTO jh


And (I don't know if the Necros can do this, but, eh) the Flood is also an airborne disease as well.

Flood>Necros
I dont think the flood is actually airborne. If they were then infection forms would be redundant. The only thing the spores do is spread biomass and create growth pods. The only time we see anything that suggests an airborne infection is in Halo wars, but the flood in that have so many inconsistencies that its impossible to say whats really canon. plus the gravemind was breathing spores everywhere in Halo 2, and the arbiter didnt get infected (he lacks an air filter like mastercheif)


"Your environment suit should serve you well when the Flood begins to malt(or something) in the atmosphere. You are a good planner."

--343 Guilty Spark

Remember, the Gravemind controls every aspect of the Flood, right down to who gets the axe and when and how. If he doesn't want the Arbiter dead, then he won't kill him with spores.
the spores might be able to choke and kill people, and then convirt them into biomass. however to create a combat form the flood needs to hack the hosts nervous system with a penetrator and then inject them with flood super cells. The spore might be able to inject the supercell, but without the infection forms nervous system hacking the host cant be used in combat

  • 01.29.2011 8:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: hotshot revan II
Flood spores can infect marines in halo wars.The reason why they can't infect marines in bungies halo games is the same as why infection forms can't infect marines in ce and halo 2.

Bungie released some concept art of infected grunts
concept art =/= canon. Its possible that the flood on the sheild world were of a more versitile strain than Bungie's flood, thus creating grunt/jackel forms, but I maintain that a spore cant create a combat form. It renders the infection forms redundant, and they have no way of controling the host. The spores might however be able to kill and convirt people into biomass by choking them.

[Edited on 01.29.2011 8:51 PM PST]

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
What both have:

They both are a muderous super infection that jacks your entire body.

Both are controlled by a Hivemind.

Both have various "races" of "foot-soldiers," such as the standard Necro vs the Combat Form.

What Flood have Necros don't:

The Gravemind is nealy limitless in intellect, bordering on omniscience, maybe even omnipotence. The Necro Hivemind never struck me as a truly sapient life-form.

The Flood DON'T need victims to reproduce and would reach trillions in a single swarm.

And (I don't know if the Necros can do this, but, eh) the Flood is also an airborne disease as well.

Flood can pilot Starships and operate weaponry.

The Flood defeated the Forerunners. Really that should be the deciding factor there when you consider the infnite might of the Forerunner military

The Flood Super Cell is instantly adaptable, allowing for a new breed of Flood to enter the fray should the Gravemind wish.

Flood>Necros

Agreed, but a Necro would shred a normal Flood at close range, and Flood dont really aim weapons either, but fire in an enemy's general direction. Then again, they have strength in numbers. Numbers>Strength.

Posted by: mojeda101
Pretty much, the Flood would reanimate them just like any other living thing. Although you might want to watch this, pretty epic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZktVkywE7hc

Isaac Clarke is dissapoint.

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Close, but the plague killed those infected with it, and the ignorant are still alive.
I wish ignorance was a plague.

The Flood would win pretty easily.

  • 01.29.2011 9:47 PM PDT


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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Darthbill99
Posted by: ROBERTO jh


And (I don't know if the Necros can do this, but, eh) the Flood is also an airborne disease as well.

Flood>Necros
I dont think the flood is actually airborne. If they were then infection forms would be redundant. The only thing the spores do is spread biomass and create growth pods. The only time we see anything that suggests an airborne infection is in Halo wars, but the flood in that have so many inconsistencies that its impossible to say whats really canon. plus the gravemind was breathing spores everywhere in Halo 2, and the arbiter didnt get infected (he lacks an air filter like mastercheif)


"Your environment suit should serve you well when the Flood begins to malt(or something) in the atmosphere. You are a good planner."

--343 Guilty Spark

Remember, the Gravemind controls every aspect of the Flood, right down to who gets the axe and when and how. If he doesn't want the Arbiter dead, then he won't kill him with spores.
the spores might be able to choke and kill people, and then convirt them into biomass. however to create a combat form the flood needs to hack the hosts nervous system with a penetrator and then inject them with flood super cells. The spore might be able to inject the supercell, but without the infection forms nervous system hacking the host cant be used in combat


It would appear The Mona Lisa would have something to say about that. Those were not normal combat forms; they still looked human, but were absolutely insane.

It always gave me the impression they breathed the spores rather then just got infected normally.

So essentially, the Flood Spores CAN convert people to combat forms, just not the ones we're used too. I thought everyone knew this?

[Edited on 01.30.2011 7:27 AM PST]

  • 01.30.2011 7:25 AM PDT

Posted by: mojeda101
Doesn't the Necromorphs control an entire planet?


And the flood controlled an entire galaxy back in the day. Your point?

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Posted by: mojeda101
Doesn't the Necromorphs control an entire planet?


Doesn't the flood control hundreds of planets?

  • 01.30.2011 2:22 PM PDT

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The flood tank would win simply because they spit infection forms out.

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It depends on what context you are talking about when you say the two fight. Are you talking about a 1v1 between similar lifeforms, or an all out war? I can't speak on the 1v1 very much (though I think that fresh necros would beat the flood), but I do have a lot on the war. Let the rant begin!

Basically, the flood infect other lifeforms by "hijacking" the spinal cord with the flood infection form acting as the new "head". No new nervous system parts are added. Destroying the original infection form stops the combat form in its tracks. Also, the flood is technically a parasite. More on this later.

Now then, the Necromorphs don't hijack a body, they take it, and create a decentralized nervous system. There is a lot of proof for this. To kill a necromorph, you shoot off its limbs. I could lose all the limbs on my body and still be alive. However, this completely kills the necromorph, not just disable it. Also, should you ever decapitate a necromorph, they start walking/jogging toward, wildly slinging their arms, trying to attack you (which is more dangerous than their usual attack methods). This implies that their senses are not exclusive to the head (like ours, I'm not counting touch).

The flood have access to all of their host's skills, the necromorphs do not. However, on the biological/micro scale, the necromorphs are much more adaptable. See: Wheezers. The Necromorphs find out that, surprise surprise, I breathe air. They poison the air in hydroponics, which is the part of the ship that all air circulates through as well as where new food is created. If this doesn't prove that necromorphs are more adept at adapting, then I'm not sure what does (other than the hunter or the convergence monster, which cannot be killed by destroying their limbs, as they just regrow them back).

Now, back onto the flood-necromorph war. The flood is a parasite by all means of the word. This fits the flood rather nicely. However, it is not quite clear what the necromorphs are, a virus or a bacteria (probably the latter, as viri can't reproduce to cover an entire hallway with organic much), however, it is clear that necromorphs can infect pretty much anything (or adapt to do it very quickly). Necromorphs would infect the parasite of the flood, and take over it with a decentralized nervous system.

Necromorphs would win the war, I'm afraid.

EDIT: Also, Flood can't use vents, and from what I've seen, combat forms generally aren't as flexible.

And another strategy that that the Necromorphs have is the fact that, while they can't operate machinery, they quickly destroy it outright.

Actually, on giving more thought, it depends on how advanced the technology used in the war is. If it's possible/feasible to glass a planet, have a space ship with shields, and nukes the size of a sun, then the Flood would win, considering the fact that Necromorphs cannot use technology (thankfully). Anything less than this "advanced space age" would result in necromorph victory. However, if the Flood only have access to Halo's human technology, I don't know who would win. It would depend on the Flood's strategy and number of ships.

[Edited on 01.31.2011 2:03 PM PST]

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