- ROBERTO jh
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Posted by: Isaac Clarke
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
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"The Flood are much more adaptable."
I take it you've never heard of the Flood Super Cell. From the Encyclopedia: "Flood biomass is composed of an undifferentiated cell type that is referred to as the Flood Super Cell (FSC), which can be described as aproximating "thinking muscle." The FSC closely resembles neurons or glial cells in structure. The Flood can arrange these cells to mimic any organ they might need."
So if they need a Flood to, say, break tanks apart or at least take on heavy armor, the Flood Super Cell will create a specialized organ or even entire creature to counter the armor.
In fact, they did that with the Thrasher Form in Halo Wars. It was built for the specific purpose of crushing tanks, and being able to take multiple direct tank shells.
Necromorphs would infect the parasite of the flood, and take over it with a decentralized nervous system.
There's actually significant evidence suggesting that's impossible. The Halo 3 Besterium desribes the Flood and the Gravemind to be a singular "macro-organism." There are no individuals in the Flood, merely extensions of the Gravemind's "body."
The venus flytrap in Halo 2 you speak too is not so much the Gravemind itself as it is the organ it uses to speak verbally. (of course, it is later revealed he doesn't need a mouth since he's telepathic). Trying to infect the Flood with anything at all would result in one of the following.
1) The Form will simply die the same as a bullet would kill it. Difference is the Necros need to kill their prey first. Note that Flood can live through incredible pain if the infection is undamaged (read The Flood book. They're a lot like the Necros.) This suggests pure Flood would have to be ripped so apart they'd be useless to the Necros.
2) Infecting would have no effect at all on the Flood Super Cell, and it would simply reject it.
3) As the Flood is somewhere in between living and dead, and that Necros can only infect dead, AND as the Flood is not individulastic but rather a single super organism sharing the same cell structure and mind, it would likewise be impossible to infect the Flood. It would take the instantanious death of every Flood in the galaxy to be able to infect the Gravemind/Flood.
4) If the Necros DO infect the Flood, the FSC will inform the Gravemind instantly about how the Necros work. Mind will in turn exploit this to his advantage. It is stated in Halo: Cryptum that even dead Flood can still infect, so the celluar structure is still alive (another reason why Necros can't infect the Flood. They can't infect what is still alive).
By contrast, the Flood can very easily infect the Necros and defeat them.
1) They can infect both living AND dead flesh. So long as they have a nervous system (which Necros do), the Flood can infect them. And even if the Necros are so utterly FUBARed to tiny pieces, the FSC can still use the flesh to add to the Flood's overall biomass, thus churning out more Pure Forms, which in turn can serve any purpose the Gravemind wants it to and take any form.
2) The Gravemind itself does not have a corporeal body to target and kill that will destroy the entire species, unlike the Necromorphs. He is rather a distibuted telepathic "ghost", I suppose you could say, that dictates the Flood biomass. The Flood biomass and everything it has infected or taken over itself is its "body." But kill the Hivemind or destroy the Marker and you beat the Necros.
3) As well, the Gravemind is of a vast, nearly omnipotent intellect. He has the knowledge of at least an entire galaxy in time. The Necro Hivemind by contrast seems more animalistic. Now I haven't played Dead Space 1 yet, but I have seen the boss battle. It doesn't strike me as anything more then an animal. But I may be wrong.
4) The Flood do not require the infection of other races to reproduce. In fact, when the coordinate stage is reached, the infected forms are repurposed to either defend important Flood controlled areas, such as planets or hives. Or they are melted down for clacium to further the construction of more Pure Forms. Dead Pure Forms are likely re-melted to create even more Pure Forms.
Pure Forms themselves are given a frontlines offensive role. This makes sense as the Gravemind can create literally whatever he deems fit for a specific task. Whatever he needs he creates.
The Flood will essentially harvest the Necros for more and more parts. It isn't like humans fighting where when a human kills a Necro, the Necros lose one Necro.
It is rather, when the Flood kill a Necro, they lose one AND the Flood gain at least one more. When the Necros kill a Flood, the Flood reharvest the "dead" Flood and create another, stronger Pure Form.
Add on Flood>Necro reason #5) The Flood can use weapons, technology, can highjack computers, and learn, and the Flood are simply better then Necros.
Also consider the Flood would reach billions in a single swarm of Pure Forms.
Quite frankly, the design of the Flood is ingenious. They really are the perfect enemy.
Is the entirety of the combat form's body made of this "supercell"?
A: Yes. The fleshy, rotted growths on the walls of hives and the skin of infected are the FSC. AKA, the Gravemind.
And how do you know that the supercell would reject the necrofection?
A: For one, it is said in the Bestarium the Flood are immune to disease. Second, the FSC is designed to adapt nearly instantly to anything that poses a threat to it. Third, it is a single macroorganism connected by thought. For those of you who know what it is, think the Andromeda Strain. The Flood's a lot like that.
And we don't know that much about the Hivemind. Also note, that it's unknown whether or not that Necromorphs may go through several stages of infection, like the flood do.
A: Precisely: its unknown. We can't use assumptions in debates.
Also, necromorphs do not need bodies to reproduce. They can undergo mitosis, as evidenced on the walls of the Ishimura.
A: I now know that after seeing the DS2 walkthrough. But can they create pure Necro forms outside of the infector?