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Subject: Sangheili (Elites) Females

Exactly what the topic says, what do we know about them? I haven't read all that many of the Halo books, do any them talk about the part females play in Sangheili culture?

Part of my reason for this is I just want to know, and it's also partly because I want my fanfic I'm writing to be as mostly based in fact as possible. And one of the main characters is a female Elite Zealot. Anyway, what can people tell me about females in the Elites culture, or just what part the female Covenant species play in their society as well, this doesn't just have to be about Sangheili females.

  • 01.26.2011 5:54 PM PDT

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  • 01.26.2011 5:57 PM PDT

What a waste....

I don't believe they were ever in the military, but if your story can have some way to make it fit, okay. But make it a reasonable explanation, because Sangheili are trained FROM BIRTH in their future career.

As for everyone else, Jackal females fight, Yan'me fight and become queens, Grunts are suicide bombers and baby makers, and Hunters are worms. Brutes I don't know about.

Also, I think Sangheili females might be kinda like Spartan women, so while all the dudes were fighting, they were selling stuff in markets, farming, doing other jobs, etc.

[Edited on 01.26.2011 6:08 PM PST]

  • 01.26.2011 6:05 PM PDT

I always thought they were a-blam!- and laid eggs just like the prawns from District 9, oh well.
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But if you had to be serious on this matter, they wouldn't send the females to fight, that's just not in their culture...

  • 01.26.2011 6:12 PM PDT

I've seen the "females don't fight" line before, so I'm wondering, where did the idea come from? From what I know of the Sangheili culture it sounds to me like it's completely merit equals position no matter what, but that's just my take on what I've read.

And I know there's at least one instance of a female being mentioned in a commanding position, if I recall it was a War Master or something that had to with Halo Wars, and it was a female.

  • 01.26.2011 6:19 PM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa
I've seen the "females don't fight" line before, so I'm wondering, where did the idea come from? From what I know of the Sangheili culture it sounds to me like it's completely merit equals position no matter what, but that's just my take on what I've read.

And I know there's at least one instance of a female being mentioned in a commanding position, if I recall it was a War Master or something that had to with Halo Wars, and it was a female.

She didn't fight though. She just did upgrades to ships and weapons. Article for reference.
She is one of the only two female Elites in Halo lore.

The reason we say "females don't fight" is because we literally have NEVER fought them. Every Elite you kill is male.

  • 01.26.2011 6:31 PM PDT


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Posted by: OrderedComa
I've seen the "females don't fight" line before, so I'm wondering, where did the idea come from? From what I know of the Sangheili culture it sounds to me like it's completely merit equals position no matter what, but that's just my take on what I've read.

And I know there's at least one instance of a female being mentioned in a commanding position, if I recall it was a War Master or something that had to with Halo Wars, and it was a female.

She didn't fight though. She just did upgrades to ships and weapons. Article for reference.
She is one of the only two female Elites in Halo lore.

The reason we say "females don't fight" is because we literally have NEVER fought them. Every Elite you kill is male.


We don't know that though, we have no idea how much dimorphism (if any) exists in the Covenant species, except for Jackals, for all we know we could be fighting a mix of male and female Elites and Grunts. I would assume Brute females would look more like ape females. I'd assume that since the Drones are insects that they're probably primarily female with few males that serve mostly in reproductive roles.

I think it's kinda premature with what little we know to right off every Covenant fought as male. And that is gameplay anyway, it is not one hundred percent accurate.

  • 01.26.2011 7:11 PM PDT


Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Family history and lineage are greatly valued, with each family having their own unique "Battle Poem" detailing the deeds and actions of its members during times of war. These "epics" may have influenced the recitation of war poetry among the Mgalekgolo, due to their deep respect for Sangheili. It is theorized that Sangheili males are sent into service as warriors and soldiers, as no female Sangheili have been seen in combat roles. Whether sex ual dimorphism exists in Sangheili or if there is a significant difference in gender roles is not known. -Halopedia


Exactly what I was saying, there's no real evidence, all there is is just theories, and until a book, or game, or some other relevant piece of canon says otherwise, I think it's too presumptuous to assume that all the military is male. It'd be like saying that Yoda's type of alien in Star Wars can't be a Sith 'cause we've never seen one in that role.

  • 01.27.2011 9:22 AM PDT
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Watch "The Duel" in Halo legends. Can give you a visual look at what elite females look like.

  • 01.27.2011 10:53 AM PDT


Posted by: zeno64
Watch "The Duel" in Halo legends. Can give you a visual look at what elite females look like.


I'm not entirely sure that's the canon appearance, a lot of the visual things we saw in Halo Legends was just artistic license, and not what things are really supposed to look, just how the artist for that episode thought they should look. Like in the Package the Brutes are much beefier looking and are rather hunched over, they looked like one of the Lego Trolls my brothers have, and we know that is not how Brutes are supposed to look, or for instance Cortana stating in Origins II that the UNSC and Covenant worked together to fight the Flood.

I think it's probably safe to say that all the events from Halo Legends are true, but not everything is as it appeared. Like Kelly is wearing EVA Armor in the Package, and she's supposed to have the default SII appearance.

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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: zeno64
Watch "The Duel" in Halo legends. Can give you a visual look at what elite females look like.


I'm not entirely sure that's the canon appearance, a lot of the visual things we saw in Halo Legends was just artistic license, and not what things are really supposed to look, just how the artist for that episode thought they should look. Like in the Package the Brutes are much beefier looking and are rather hunched over, they looked like one of the Lego Trolls my brothers have, and we know that is not how Brutes are supposed to look, or for instance Cortana stating in Origins II that the UNSC and Covenant worked together to fight the Flood.

I think it's probably safe to say that all the events from Halo Legends are true, but not everything is as it appeared. Like Kelly is wearing EVA Armor in the Package, and she's supposed to have the default SII appearance.


some of those are wrong, brutes are meant to be generally massive i think and really tough and with that cortana thing the events she was "remembering" were false and it was showing that she was becoming a rouge ai. but thats just what iv heard and read.

[Edited on 01.27.2011 12:05 PM PST]

  • 01.27.2011 12:05 PM PDT

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  • 01.27.2011 12:06 PM PDT

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We only have 2 mentions of female sangehiuli.

There was a female weapons master mentioned in Halo war's timeline, and Han in Halo legends.

  • 01.27.2011 12:08 PM PDT

according to the accounts of halo cryptum the latest book of halo series their culture was based on beauty and all species loved them for their beauty and became entrapped by it except 2 species the forerunners and the humans. there is no mention of female versus male distinction in this cannon or in any other halo reference im aware of (excluding halo wars and old cannon) so i would unfortunately have to assume either they play no significant role in sangheili society or they are so equal in it that they dont bother to distinguish between the 2. although since halo reach doesnt give the option to play as female elite like a spartan id assume only males are warrior class or atleast elites

  • 01.27.2011 1:00 PM PDT

according to the accounts of halo cryptum the latest book of halo series their culture was based on beauty and all species loved them for their beauty and became entrapped by it except 2 species the forerunners and the humans. there is no mention of female versus male distinction in this cannon or in any other halo reference im aware of (excluding halo wars and old cannon) so i would unfortunately have to assume either they play no significant role in sangheili society or they are so equal in it that they dont bother to distinguish between the 2. although since halo reach doesnt give the option to play as female elite like a spartan id assume only males are warrior class or atleast elites


The species Cryptum talks about are Prophets, not Elites.

  • 01.27.2011 1:25 PM PDT

they talk about san' shlumm which in halo 3 sanghelli are the decendants of. now im not certain and feel free to prove me wrong but the fact that their "elders" were in floating chairs in the book reminded me of the profits and their "beautiful injured warriors" were the sanghelli. 2 races from same orgins developed differently, just like humans had different kinds on their planet in the book.

  • 01.27.2011 1:30 PM PDT


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they talk about san' shlumm which in halo 3 sanghelli are the decendants of. now im not certain and feel free to prove me wrong but the fact that their "elders" were in floating chairs in the book reminded me of the profits and their "beautiful injured warriors" were the sanghelli. 2 races from same orgins developed differently, just like humans had different kinds on their planet in the book.


From Halopedia:
San 'Shyuum (Latin Perfidia vermis[1], meaning "Worms of Treachery"[4]), also known as Prophets by the humans, are a mammal-like species who are the leadership caste within the Covenant and one of the more mysterious member races of the hegemony.



Also, the Prophets and Elites were from different worlds and went to war with each other a very long time ago. Their peace treaty formed the basis of the Covenant.

[Edited on 01.27.2011 1:34 PM PST]

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they would never be allowed in the military, the covenant where a highly patriarchal society

  • 01.27.2011 1:35 PM PDT


Posted by: aledog1
they would never be allowed in the military, the covenant where a highly patriarchal society


I have never seen any indication of that, and the Covenant, to my understanding, are really only connected by religion, each race within the Covenant still pretty much have the same culture as they did independently with very minor alterations to them. That's why rank structure and warrior mentality is so different between the Brutes and Elites. Elites are all about honor and upholding their warrior code, while the Brutes are all about savagery.

  • 01.27.2011 2:33 PM PDT


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they talk about san' shlumm which in halo 3 sanghelli are the decendants of. now im not certain and feel free to prove me wrong but the fact that their "elders" were in floating chairs in the book reminded me of the profits and their "beautiful injured warriors" were the sanghelli. 2 races from same orgins developed differently, just like humans had different kinds on their planet in the book.


*facedesk*

No, they are totally seperate species, they are not related in any way genetically. They are also from completely different worlds, the Sangheili are from Sanghelios, and the San 'Shyuum's homeworld is unknown.

How did you come to the conclusion that the Elites were the "beautiful injured warriors" as you put it? There is no basis for that assumption at all.

  • 01.27.2011 2:39 PM PDT

I believe the Sangheili were based of Japanese culture(if I'm wrong sorry, I'm going off some long off memory). Going off of that and the males being similar to samurai it wouldn't be hard to figure out what the female roll would be. Protection of the home when the male is gone, some weapon and defense training, and taking care of the family. While the male would be out fighting the female would pretty much be the head of family until he returns.

At least that's what I'd like to believe. :P

  • 01.27.2011 2:40 PM PDT


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Posted by: Apathetic1313
they talk about san' shlumm which in halo 3 sanghelli are the decendants of. now im not certain and feel free to prove me wrong but the fact that their "elders" were in floating chairs in the book reminded me of the profits and their "beautiful injured warriors" were the sanghelli. 2 races from same orgins developed differently, just like humans had different kinds on their planet in the book.


From Halopedia:
San 'Shyuum (Latin Perfidia vermis[1], meaning "Worms of Treachery"[4]), also known as Prophets by the humans, are a mammal-like species who are the leadership caste within the Covenant and one of the more mysterious member races of the hegemony.



Also, the Prophets and Elites were from different worlds and went to war with each other a very long time ago. Their peace treaty formed the basis of the Covenant.


yes and they were origionally contained to 2 planets as part of a treatie of the human forerunner war when defeated. they also shared the 2 highest levels in covenant socienty and common obsession of the mantle. conwincidence? i think not.

  • 01.27.2011 2:41 PM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Apathetic1313
they talk about san' shlumm which in halo 3 sanghelli are the decendants of. now im not certain and feel free to prove me wrong but the fact that their "elders" were in floating chairs in the book reminded me of the profits and their "beautiful injured warriors" were the sanghelli. 2 races from same orgins developed differently, just like humans had different kinds on their planet in the book.


*facedesk*

No, they are totally seperate species, they are not related in any way genetically. They are also from completely different worlds, the Sangheili are from Sanghelios, and the San 'Shyuum's homeworld is unknown.

How did you come to the conclusion that the Elites were the "beautiful injured warriors" as you put it? There is no basis for that assumption at all.


the home world isnt know because it was the same solar system. look this is just an assumption i based on the book cryptum. it makes alot of sense if you read the book. and sanghelios is one of the treatie planets i believe, but i cant offically prove this theory till another book or game comes out. it cant really be disproved either however

  • 01.27.2011 2:45 PM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Apathetic1313
they talk about san' shlumm which in halo 3 sanghelli are the decendants of. now im not certain and feel free to prove me wrong but the fact that their "elders" were in floating chairs in the book reminded me of the profits and their "beautiful injured warriors" were the sanghelli. 2 races from same orgins developed differently, just like humans had different kinds on their planet in the book.


*facedesk*

No, they are totally seperate species, they are not related in any way genetically. They are also from completely different worlds, the Sangheili are from Sanghelios, and the San 'Shyuum's homeworld is unknown.

How did you come to the conclusion that the Elites were the "beautiful injured warriors" as you put it? There is no basis for that assumption at all.


also quick biology lesson: genus refers to the class above species which would be for instance be mammals then primates then humans as the species same genetics up to 98 percent just developed differently. we look nothing like orangotangs yet share almost all their dna. again its just an assumption.

  • 01.27.2011 2:48 PM PDT

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