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Subject: Forerunners VS Daleks

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Who would win? The daleks don't get the reality bomb but are in their most advanced form and the forerunners don't get halo. Now choose!
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Daleks are stupid. Put a set of stairs in front of them and they're screwed lol

  • 02.01.2011 3:02 AM PDT


Posted by: SubtleSpartan
Who would win? The daleks don't get the reality bomb but are in their most advanced form and the forerunners don't get halo. Now choose!
Links for the undecided
Forerunner
Dalek


A fully realized Dalek empire, reality bomb or not still wins. Time is on their side, and they really don't care about colateral damage. If it takes demolishing planet, after sun, after galaxy, they'll do it.

  • 02.01.2011 4:21 AM PDT

Never say you're bored. Never say you're satisfied with the world. Never stop doubting or questioning things. Always wonder. Always think. But always take time to drop your guard, you don't have to be smart all the time.

Daleks, basicly the tecnology level in DW beats all universes, including SW. As for the daleks.... they built the time destucter, time machine, reality bomb, crucible, proginitor..... the list goes on.

[Edited on 02.01.2011 4:35 AM PST]

  • 02.01.2011 4:34 AM PDT

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Posted by: JiRaLhAnAesLaYeR
Daleks are stupid. Put a set of stairs in front of them and they're screwed lol


The forerunners dont have stairs, they have grav lifts

And so the reason they were wiped out is proven...

  • 02.01.2011 4:39 AM PDT

Never say you're bored. Never say you're satisfied with the world. Never stop doubting or questioning things. Always wonder. Always think. But always take time to drop your guard, you don't have to be smart all the time.


Posted by: JiRaLhAnAesLaYeR
Daleks are stupid. Put a set of stairs in front of them and they're screwed lol


You do know they have anti-gravs at the bottom right?

  • 02.01.2011 4:43 AM PDT


Posted by: Colichemarde

Posted by: SubtleSpartan
Who would win? The daleks don't get the reality bomb but are in their most advanced form and the forerunners don't get halo. Now choose!
Links for the undecided
Forerunner
Dalek


A fully realized Dalek empire, reality bomb or not still wins. Time is on their side, and they really don't care about colateral damage. If it takes demolishing planet, after sun, after galaxy, they'll do it.


You just summed up what the Forerunners do in war.

Anyway, can't the Daleks travel through time? Kind of unfair don't you think?

If they can that, then this thread is pointless. While I'm not putting time travel out of the Forerunner's realm of unreal possibility, the only time travel we've seen in Halo was a fluke with a Forerunner crystal.

Besides, we're likely to not see any time travel in Halo. Its a -blam!- y plot device and too conveniant.

  • 02.01.2011 5:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: JiRaLhAnAesLaYeR
Daleks are stupid. Put a set of stairs in front of them and they're screwed lol


The forerunners dont have stairs, they have grav lifts

And so the reason they were wiped out is proven...


This.

  • 02.01.2011 5:26 AM PDT

Wake me when the jews are gone.

Daleks, basicly the tecnology level in DW beats all universes, including SW. As for the daleks.... they built the time destucter, time machine, reality bomb, crucible, proginitor..... the list goes on.

in cryptun is stated they have explored another realites wich make your post unvalid also A fully realized Dalek empire, reality bomb or not still wins. Time is on their side, and they really don't care about colateral damage. If it takes demolishing planet, after sun, after galaxy, they'll do it.this is what the forehuners do



[Edited on 02.01.2011 8:47 AM PST]

  • 02.01.2011 8:45 AM PDT

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  • 02.01.2011 8:53 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

The fact the Daleks still cannot be killed (over the past 47/48 years) means they would win. :P

In all seriousness, tech in the DW universe would annihilate Halo's.

  • 02.01.2011 9:07 AM PDT

Never say you're bored. Never say you're satisfied with the world. Never stop doubting or questioning things. Always wonder. Always think. But always take time to drop your guard, you don't have to be smart all the time.


Posted by: fsabran
Daleks, basicly the tecnology level in DW beats all universes, including SW. As for the daleks.... they built the time destucter, time machine, reality bomb, crucible, proginitor..... the list goes on.

in cryptun is stated they have explored another realites wich make your post unvalid also A fully realized Dalek empire, reality bomb or not still wins. Time is on their side, and they really don't care about colateral damage. If it takes demolishing planet, after sun, after galaxy, they'll do it.this is what the forehuners do



Because of the medusa cascade (connection to all paraell worlds, the daleks can still go through.

P.S what do you mean invalid?

  • 02.01.2011 1:17 PM PDT

The Razor.

For the honour of the Mirratord.

Posted by: ajw34307
The fact the Daleks still cannot be killed (over the past 47/48 years) means they would win. :P

In all seriousness, tech in the DW universe would annihilate Halo's.


That's because tech in the Halo universe is actually vaguely realistic and plausible.

  • 02.01.2011 1:30 PM PDT


Posted by: JiRaLhAnAesLaYeR
Daleks are stupid. Put a set of stairs in front of them and they're screwed lol


This guy begs to differ.

  • 02.01.2011 1:35 PM PDT


Posted by: Mr Evil 37
Posted by: ajw34307
The fact the Daleks still cannot be killed (over the past 47/48 years) means they would win. :P

In all seriousness, tech in the DW universe would annihilate Halo's.


That's because tech in the Halo universe is actually vaguely realistic and plausible.


Or has a reasonable basis in the story.

Precursors, represented to be the perfect, nearly holy race by their shear, well, perfect technology, are presumambly dethroned by a race of egomaniacs who are unconcerned with life (ironically). Power has blinded the Forerunners and given them the unconcerned capacity to destroy the very fabrication of life and consciousness in an entire galaxy.

The Precursors would stomp the Daleks, but the Daleks beat the Forerunners.

Of course, take away the time travel factor and it'd be more interesting. But as it stands, Daleks win.

  • 02.01.2011 2:09 PM PDT

Never say you're bored. Never say you're satisfied with the world. Never stop doubting or questioning things. Always wonder. Always think. But always take time to drop your guard, you don't have to be smart all the time.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Mr Evil 37
Posted by: ajw34307
The fact the Daleks still cannot be killed (over the past 47/48 years) means they would win. :P

In all seriousness, tech in the DW universe would annihilate Halo's.


That's because tech in the Halo universe is actually vaguely realistic and plausible.


Or has a reasonable basis in the story.

Precursors, represented to be the perfect, nearly holy race by their shear, well, perfect technology, are presumambly dethroned by a race of egomaniacs who are unconcerned with life (ironically). Power has blinded the Forerunners and given them the unconcerned capacity to destroy the very fabrication of life and consciousness in an entire galaxy.

The Precursors would stomp the Daleks, but the Daleks beat the Forerunners.

Of course, take away the time travel factor and it'd be more interesting. But as it stands, Daleks win.


This is the way I see it;

Daleks > forerunners
Timelords or (either one) Trancendal beings > Precursors

[Edited on 02.01.2011 2:14 PM PST]

  • 02.01.2011 2:13 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: Mr Evil 37
Posted by: ajw34307
The fact the Daleks still cannot be killed (over the past 47/48 years) means they would win. :P

In all seriousness, tech in the DW universe would annihilate Halo's.


That's because tech in the Halo universe is actually vaguely realistic and plausible.


Realism is irrelevant. Both are fictional sci-fi universes which are in question.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
The Precursors would stomp the Daleks, but the Daleks beat the Forerunners.


How can this be correct on the basis you have presented it? The Forerunners destroyed all but one Precursor, if the Daleks can beat the Forerunners then they could beat the Precursors too according to what you've said.

[Edited on 02.01.2011 2:15 PM PST]

  • 02.01.2011 2:13 PM PDT


Posted by: wildnuke

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Mr Evil 37
Posted by: ajw34307
The fact the Daleks still cannot be killed (over the past 47/48 years) means they would win. :P

In all seriousness, tech in the DW universe would annihilate Halo's.


That's because tech in the Halo universe is actually vaguely realistic and plausible.


Or has a reasonable basis in the story.

Precursors, represented to be the perfect, nearly holy race by their shear, well, perfect technology, are presumambly dethroned by a race of egomaniacs who are unconcerned with life (ironically). Power has blinded the Forerunners and given them the unconcerned capacity to destroy the very fabrication of life and consciousness in an entire galaxy.

The Precursors would stomp the Daleks, but the Daleks beat the Forerunners.

Of course, take away the time travel factor and it'd be more interesting. But as it stands, Daleks win.


This is the way I see it;

Daleks > forerunners
Timelords or (either one) Trancendal beings > Precursors


Except Precursors and their technology are immortal, eternal, invincible or however else you can say it. You can't harm them.

It'd be either a Precursor victory or an eternal conundrum paradox. But Precursors by definition can't lose to anything outside the Halo universe, as only Halo has the science and technology to destroy Precursor technology.

^^^because only Halo has the only weapon physically capable of harming the Precursors: the Neural Weapons. Daleks don't have that; NO ONE has that except the Forerunners and Precursors

[Edited on 02.01.2011 2:18 PM PST]

  • 02.01.2011 2:16 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Except Precursors and their technology are immortal, eternal, invincible or however else you can say it. You can't harm them.

It'd be either a Precursor victory or an eternal conundrum paradox. But Precursors by definition can't lose to anything outside the Halo universe, as only Halo has the science and technology to destroy Precursor technology.

^^^because only Halo has the only weapon physically capable of harming the Precursors: the Neural Weapons. Daleks don't have that; NO ONE has that except the Forerunners and Precursors


The Time Lords could just use the De-Mat gun that the Doc used to seal the Medusa Cascade and end the Time War, effectively it would remove the Precursors from having ever existed.

  • 02.01.2011 2:19 PM PDT

Never say you're bored. Never say you're satisfied with the world. Never stop doubting or questioning things. Always wonder. Always think. But always take time to drop your guard, you don't have to be smart all the time.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: wildnuke

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Mr Evil 37
Posted by: ajw34307
The fact the Daleks still cannot be killed (over the past 47/48 years) means they would win. :P

In all seriousness, tech in the DW universe would annihilate Halo's.


That's because tech in the Halo universe is actually vaguely realistic and plausible.


Or has a reasonable basis in the story.

Precursors, represented to be the perfect, nearly holy race by their shear, well, perfect technology, are presumambly dethroned by a race of egomaniacs who are unconcerned with life (ironically). Power has blinded the Forerunners and given them the unconcerned capacity to destroy the very fabrication of life and consciousness in an entire galaxy.

The Precursors would stomp the Daleks, but the Daleks beat the Forerunners.

Of course, take away the time travel factor and it'd be more interesting. But as it stands, Daleks win.


This is the way I see it;

Daleks > forerunners
Timelords or (either one) Trancendal beings > Precursors


Except Precursors and their technology are immortal, eternal, invincible or however else you can say it. You can't harm them.

It'd be either a Precursor victory or an eternal conundrum paradox. But Precursors by definition can't lose to anything outside the Halo universe, as only Halo has the science and technology to destroy Precursor technology.

^^^because only Halo has the only weapon physically capable of harming the Precursors: the Neural Weapons. Daleks don't have that; NO ONE has that except the Forerunners and Precursors


Forget about harming them..... Timelords would just use the de-mat gun to erase them from space and time.

As for trancendal beings, they can just eat away at thier excistence (literally) or the Eternals just do what they want with them

  • 02.01.2011 2:22 PM PDT

Doing nothing for the world.

Daleks

  • 02.01.2011 2:24 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

I would say The Daleks, by implication from what they did.

  • 02.01.2011 2:28 PM PDT


Posted by: wildnuke

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Mr Evil 37
Posted by: ajw34307
The fact the Daleks still cannot be killed (over the past 47/48 years) means they would win. :P

In all seriousness, tech in the DW universe would annihilate Halo's.[/quote]

That's because tech in the Halo universe is actually vaguely realistic and plausible.[/quote]

Or has a reasonable basis in the story.

Precursors, represented to be the perfect, nearly holy race by their shear, well, perfect technology, are presumambly dethroned by a race of egomaniacs who are unconcerned with life (ironically). Power has blinded the Forerunners and given them the unconcerned capacity to destroy the very fabrication of life and consciousness in an entire galaxy.

The Precursors would stomp the Daleks, but the Daleks beat the Forerunners.

Of course, take away the time travel factor and it'd be more interesting. But as it stands, Daleks win.


This is the way I see it;

Daleks > forerunners
Timelords or (either one) Trancendal beings > Precursors


Except Precursors and their technology are immortal, eternal, invincible or however else you can say it. You can't harm them.

It'd be either a Precursor victory or an eternal conundrum paradox. But Precursors by definition can't lose to anything outside the Halo universe, as only Halo has the science and technology to destroy Precursor technology.

^^^because only Halo has the only weapon physically capable of harming the Precursors: the Neural Weapons. Daleks don't have that; NO ONE has that except the Forerunners and Precursors


Forget about harming them..... Timelords would just use the de-mat gun to erase them from space and time.

As for trancendal beings, they can just eat away at thier excistence (literally) or the Eternals just do what they want with them


Paradox or wouldn't work at all.

Precursors appear to be unbounded by the laws of the universe, such as gravity, inertia, energy transferance and even time itself as they don't age and it has no effect on their technology. The very nature of their invincibility proves this.

Also consider the Forerunners could alternate between universes (the friggin' UNSC could too). But in the FR's case, its multiple universes rather then just two.

Now consider the Precursors make Forerunners look insignificant (said in Cryptum by Bornstellar). It appears that Precursors were multidimensional, maybe even being a theoretical Type V civilization (that is to say, write the very rules on physics. We already know they existed outside physics and could bend reality to their will).

By contrast, the Doctor himself states they were the ultimate Type IV civilization, an entire level beneath the likely level of the Precursors.

As the de-mat gun operates under the rules of time, and Precursors are unbounded by...well, really any rules, the de-mat would likely not work.

Either that or it would create another eternal condunrum paradox, where it can't have any affect on the Precursors, but at the same time it can.

  • 02.01.2011 2:32 PM PDT

Never say you're bored. Never say you're satisfied with the world. Never stop doubting or questioning things. Always wonder. Always think. But always take time to drop your guard, you don't have to be smart all the time.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: wildnuke

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Mr Evil 37
Posted by: ajw34307
The fact the Daleks still cannot be killed (over the past 47/48 years) means they would win. :P

In all seriousness, tech in the DW universe would annihilate Halo's.[/quote]

That's because tech in the Halo universe is actually vaguely realistic and plausible.[/quote]

Or has a reasonable basis in the story.

Precursors, represented to be the perfect, nearly holy race by their shear, well, perfect technology, are presumambly dethroned by a race of egomaniacs who are unconcerned with life (ironically). Power has blinded the Forerunners and given them the unconcerned capacity to destroy the very fabrication of life and consciousness in an entire galaxy.

The Precursors would stomp the Daleks, but the Daleks beat the Forerunners.

Of course, take away the time travel factor and it'd be more interesting. But as it stands, Daleks win.


This is the way I see it;

Daleks > forerunners
Timelords or (either one) Trancendal beings > Precursors


Except Precursors and their technology are immortal, eternal, invincible or however else you can say it. You can't harm them.

It'd be either a Precursor victory or an eternal conundrum paradox. But Precursors by definition can't lose to anything outside the Halo universe, as only Halo has the science and technology to destroy Precursor technology.

^^^because only Halo has the only weapon physically capable of harming the Precursors: the Neural Weapons. Daleks don't have that; NO ONE has that except the Forerunners and Precursors


Forget about harming them..... Timelords would just use the de-mat gun to erase them from space and time.

As for trancendal beings, they can just eat away at thier excistence (literally) or the Eternals just do what they want with them


Paradox or wouldn't work at all.

Precursors appear to be unbounded by the laws of the universe, such as gravity, inertia, energy transferance and even time itself as they don't age and it has no effect on their technology. The very nature of their invincibility proves this.

Also consider the Forerunners could alternate between universes (the friggin' UNSC could too). But in the FR's case, its multiple universes rather then just two.

Now consider the Precursors make Forerunners look insignificant (said in Cryptum by Bornstellar). It appears that Precursors were multidimensional, maybe even being a theoretical Type V civilization (that is to say, write the very rules on physics. We already know they existed outside physics and could bend reality to their will).

By contrast, the Doctor himself states they were the ultimate Type IV civilization, an entire level beneath the likely level of the Precursors.

As the de-mat gun operates under the rules of time, and Precursors are unbounded by...well, really any rules, the de-mat would likely not work.

Either that or it would create another eternal condunrum paradox, where it can't have any affect on the Precursors, but at the same time it can.


Then they would basicly be trancendal beings.

  • 02.01.2011 2:40 PM PDT


Posted by: wildnuke


Posted by: Mr Evil 37
Posted by: ajw34307
The fact the Daleks still cannot be killed (over the past 47/48 years) means they would win. :P

In all seriousness, tech in the DW universe would annihilate Halo's.[/quote]

That's because tech in the Halo universe is actually vaguely realistic and plausible.[/quote]

Or has a reasonable basis in the story.

Precursors, represented to be the perfect, nearly holy race by their shear, well, perfect technology, are presumambly dethroned by a race of egomaniacs who are unconcerned with life (ironically). Power has blinded the Forerunners and given them the unconcerned capacity to destroy the very fabrication of life and consciousness in an entire galaxy.

The Precursors would stomp the Daleks, but the Daleks beat the Forerunners.

Of course, take away the time travel factor and it'd be more interesting. But as it stands, Daleks win.[/quote]

This is the way I see it;

Daleks > forerunners
Timelords or (either one) Trancendal beings > Precursors[/quote]

Except Precursors and their technology are immortal, eternal, invincible or however else you can say it. You can't harm them.

It'd be either a Precursor victory or an eternal conundrum paradox. But Precursors by definition can't lose to anything outside the Halo universe, as only Halo has the science and technology to destroy Precursor technology.

^^^because only Halo has the only weapon physically capable of harming the Precursors: the Neural Weapons. Daleks don't have that; NO ONE has that except the Forerunners and Precursors[/quote]

Forget about harming them..... Timelords would just use the de-mat gun to erase them from space and time.

As for trancendal beings, they can just eat away at thier excistence (literally) or the Eternals just do what they want with them


Paradox or wouldn't work at all.

Precursors appear to be unbounded by the laws of the universe, such as gravity, inertia, energy transferance and even time itself as they don't age and it has no effect on their technology. The very nature of their invincibility proves this.

Also consider the Forerunners could alternate between universes (the friggin' UNSC could too). But in the FR's case, its multiple universes rather then just two.

Now consider the Precursors make Forerunners look insignificant (said in Cryptum by Bornstellar). It appears that Precursors were multidimensional, maybe even being a theoretical Type V civilization (that is to say, write the very rules on physics. We already know they existed outside physics and could bend reality to their will).

By contrast, the Doctor himself states they were the ultimate Type IV civilization, an entire level beneath the likely level of the Precursors.

As the de-mat gun operates under the rules of time, and Precursors are unbounded by...well, really any rules, the de-mat would likely not work.

Either that or it would create another eternal condunrum paradox, where it can't have any affect on the Precursors, but at the same time it can.


Then they would basicly be trancendal beings.


Pretty much. Ever consider the term "transentient?" It implies a higher level of consciousness inconceivable to humans.

In this case, the Precursors and the very fabric of reality are one in the same. In Halo, the soul exists, in the form of consciousness. Neural Physics (Precursor science) is the science stating the mind and universe are completely linked, even that the universe is alive in its own way.

Precursor technology is the soul, or consciousness of the universe. Eternally perfect and pristine in every sense of the word, the Precursors quite literally are the master-gods of reality.

It would take only a weapon as unholy as the Halos to destroy the Precursors: they destroy the consciousness of the universe and any creature it touches. In essence, Halo is a soul killer.

  • 02.01.2011 2:51 PM PDT

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