- ROBERTO jh
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Posted by: Frauka
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Posted by: Frauka
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
The Precursors would stomp the Daleks, but the Daleks beat the Forerunners.
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Bwahaha, it's a no-brainer you would take vague comments on the Precursors and attempt to use it in an argument. How about you start providing ACTUAL evidence that the Precursors are a threat to the Daleks? The TV series Daleks are out of the Forerunners league, but the EU Daleks are in a whole different league completely.
Alright then. What do the Daleks have that can harm Precursors?
Oh, Reality Bomb, perfect time travel, EU weapons...
Right. They don't have anything. The concept of Neural Physics--the science that the mind and universe are inextricably linked--is highly specific to Halo. That is to say, Precursors and reality are one in the same, which give them the power to ignore physics entirely.
Yet no quote for this. Even if this were true, however, it doesn't stop Daleks from reverse-engineering such technologies (given they've done so to Time Lord technologies before without actually getting a hold of them adds to this) and then killing the Precursors.
Normally, physics such as gravity, kinetics and the impossible preassure induced onto the structures from getting sucked underneath the planet again and again would tear them apart.
Not if you're race is extremely technologically advanced, no. But I suppose the Precursors could easily beat such races too, like the Xeelee?
Again, inertia should tear the world bridges apart without them surviving even a millisecond. The invincibility of the Precursors stems from their ability to completely bypass the laws of physics (this also includes time. The Captive was locked up for hundreds of millions, possibly even a billion, years. Time has no effect on the Precursors).
Again, multiple high end universes could make such things, and that includes the Daleks.
The only way to harm the Precursors is via Neural Weapons, and I don't mean like forcing a stroke or anything. Neural Weapons are based in the science that consciousness and the universe are linked.
How about you quote that Precursors are only capable of being harmed only by neural science?
Halos are one such weapon. When they kill something, they not only target the brain and nervous system to keep the Flood from infecting, but they wipe the conscious mind of the being out completely. Halos essentially kill the soul of individuals.
Yet, per Halo 1, the Halo Rings only kill things with sufficient biomass.
Precursors and their technology, being pure "soul," cannot be harmed by anything but this unique science or weapon. Anything else is pure assumption.
And your statements are claims with no evidence :)
And if you had an ounce of intelligence--which, considering your persistant aggressiveness in other posts, I seriously doubt--you would have read the other posts where I explain this.
I'm not going to read your dribble, little one, especially considering you have shown incapable of quoting the proof I've desired.
You're a persistant troll, eh?
Honestly, I wonder myself if you're even worth my time. The thickness of your skull makes the quotes I'm about to give ultimately useless.
But I got nothing to do at the moment. Might as well.
Born explains the essentials of Neural Physics.
"The basic principle was called neural physics,' I said. 'Precursors felt the Mantle extended to the entire universe, energy and matter as well as living creatures. The universe lives, but not as we do."
Didact and Born talk about the Halo's unique properties. Also mentions the fact only the Precursors can activate Precursor tech.
"How?' I asked. 'How do you destroy Precursor artifacts? They're inviolate, eternal.'
'They understood the universe in ways we never will. We can't unlock their secrets but now, apparently, we can destroy all they ever made. That's what I call progress.'"
Anyway. There's a few more quotes I'd look for for anyone else, but I usually don't respond to aggressive twelve year olds. I guess you can consider yourself lucky I responded at all to your troll-like manners.
Now don't get me wrong, I understand why you would want quotes. I'd want 'em too.
But it's hard for me to take you seriously when you joined just a week ago, and when you only seem to post in vs threads for the apparent sole purpose of trying to piss Halo fans off.
You don't seem to really like Halo, you refuse to read the books. And you clearly don't have any concern about building respect in the community by talking about constructive topics like the Halo Story.
Even your lack of avatar tells me you come here for the singular purpose of posting on Halo vs. debates, and have no concern for a community related item (avatars). Kinda sad really. Never really seen you post in anything BUT vs debate, which technically aren't even allowed. Unless the rules changed that is.
And while we're on the topic of constructive conversation in the Universe forums, how about you consider this.
Halo is fond of metaphors. Take the Precursors and their invincibility as an example.
Their invincibility serves a higher purpose then just to have the fanboys something to drool over. They represent the metaphysical belief that everything has a purpose in the universe's Living Time (life's time of interaction with the cosmos). That everything is ultimately pure at its deepest core, that everything is savable and worth saving.
This understanding of the cosmos has allowed the Precursors to transcend to something beyond comprehension, to warp and break the laws of physics to better the universe.
The purpose of the Halo's are to embody not only the Forerunners' physical downfall, but the metaphorical collapse of their entire society into a long string of hypocrisy.
A culture so hell-bent on preaching the preservation of life is the ultimate task all Forerunners should undertake, then throw the Lifworkers into amongst the lowest class of society, brutalize all powers capable of competition into a Tier 7 state, rip the surface of a normally peaceful planet clean off, and then build a weapon that destroys the very soul of creatures.
The Forerunners' alleged overthrowing of the Precursors, those who CREATED them, characterizes the egomaniacle outlook on life the Forerunners have. They are the ultimate universal power, and no one can supercede them, and no one could. Except for humanity, the Forerunners' brothers.
See the story of these three races is really a metaphorical story of a father and his two sons. One of the sons goes mad with images of destiny and overthrows the father. The brother then makes sure the other, younger brother can never have the same oppurtunity the older one did.
What the first brother doesn't know is that he wasn't ready. Forerunners meet opposition with excessive brutality, butchering billions to keep the "peace" in the universe. This is a direct violation of the Mantle of Life, which sees these acts of brutality as sinful and damning.
So the father, who had been driven out of the "house" (or Milky Way), punishes his overeager son with a challenge even his "infinite might" cannot overcome: The Flood.
The Flood are both a literal and metaphorical manifestation of the Forerunners' most horrific acts. That same mentality of crushing opposition with decisive force exists within the Flood and its Gravemind because the Flood adapts its opponent's strategies, weapons and thought-proceses. The Forerunners can't defeat the Flood because in the process they'd be slaughtering trillions of their own at the same time.
Its a bit different when you start butchering your own people "for the greater good." You start to doubt your own morals, your own decisions. Its especially worse when you're FORCED to do these horrible acts of war. This is actually a common theme in Halo.
Ever consider the Gravemind's line "I am a monument to all of your sins"? Have you ever once stopped to consider what that meant, to think?
Anyway, you probably didn't pay attention worth a -blam!- to what I just said so I won't bother wasting my 1500 characters I have left to carefully explain to you why we can know these things, so I'll just say it.
We know these things about Halo because we pay attention to detail and think like a writer. To pick apart the metaphors, read through the gaps and actually THINK through the story.
Everything you just didn't probably read was a product of careful analysis based on the facts we know.
So if you want to come on Bungie and post in VS threads, fine, there's nothing wrong with it. I do it all the time because I enjoy the debate itself if not the fact I can prove Halo is "5up3r 1337". I could care less about that, the debate gets your brain going.
But when some idiot who is new here, never posts in anything but VS threads, ultimately contributes nothing to the overall Universe community, clearly doesn't care about the community in the first place, and aggressively and ignorantly bashes other people because they think one universe could defeat another comes on this site, I get pissed.