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Subject: Ranks in Halo Reach

lol.

Notice how Kat and Carter hold the ranks of lieutenant commander and commander, respectively?

SPARTAN-IIIs are UNSC Army personnel, if I am not mistaken.

Those are naval ranks. The appropriate Army ranks would be major and lieutenant colonel, respectively.

This has bugged me since day one (just another thing to add to the pile of "lolwuts" in Reach's campaign). What gives?

  • 02.01.2011 10:03 PM PDT

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The covertly operated Spartans were part of the army. If any Spartans III were to be made public, they would have to switch branches to avoid increasing speculation about their origins (which are quite top secret).

The Spartan III's in Reach were at one point army, but now navy, and use navy ranks.

Seems the only way to rectify that problem...

  • 02.01.2011 10:14 PM PDT

lol.


Posted by: Spartan 104 S2AM
The covertly operated Spartans were part of the army. If any Spartans III were to be made public, they would have to switch branches to avoid increasing speculation about their origins (which are quite top secret).

The Spartan III's in Reach were at one point army, but now navy, and use navy ranks.

Seems the only way to rectify that problem...

That's a good point. However, their supervisor/commanding officer is Colonel Holland, an Army officer. He also notes in Emile's bio that S-239's collection of "alien contraband" is in direct violation of some Navy regulation of some sort (the forums won't allow me to post a direct quote, for whatever reason), but then goes on to state "good thing we're ARMY."

[Edited on 02.01.2011 10:32 PM PST]

  • 02.01.2011 10:31 PM PDT

"Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things."

"Waiting is good. It means you’re not going to die. The person you need to feel sorry for is the one who gets rushed into the ER and treated first."

NREMT-B

Tiocfaidh ár lá!

So their cover would be navy while officially army. They could converse with their army CO in army terms on a secure channel...


I'm having to work too hard to make this fit.

  • 02.01.2011 11:01 PM PDT

Posted by: Lizzard 8
Notice how Kat and Carter hold the ranks of lieutenant commander and commander, respectively?

SPARTAN-IIIs are UNSC Army personnel, if I am not mistaken.

Those are naval ranks. The appropriate Army ranks would be major and lieutenant colonel, respectively.

This has bugged me since day one (just another thing to add to the pile of "lolwuts" in Reach's campaign). What gives?


I'm sure in the future they mixed ranks in. I have made a list of all ranks in all divisions by rank, here you are.


RECRUIT
PRIVATE
PRIVATE GRADE 1
PRIVATE GRADE 2
PRIVATE GRADE 3
PRIVATE FIRST CLASS
PRIVATE FIRST CLASS GRADE 1
PRIVATE FIRST CLASS GRADE 2
PRIVATE FIRST CLASS GRADE 3
LANCE CORPORAL
LANCE CORPORAL GRADE 1
LANCE CORPORAL GRADE 2
LANCE CORPORAL GRADE 3
CORPORAL
CORPORAL GRADE 1
CORPORAL GRADE 2
CORPORAL GRADE 3
SERGEANT
SERGEANT GRADE 1
SERGEANT GRADE 2
SERGEANT GRADE 3
STAFF SERGEANT
STAFF SERGEANT GRADE 1
STAFF SERGEANT GRADE 2
STAFF SERGEANT GRADE 3
GUNNERY SERGEANT
GUNNERY SERGEANT GRADE 1
GUNNERY SERGEANT GRADE 2
GUNNERY SERGEANT GRADE 3
MASTER SERGEANT
MASTER SERGEANT GRADE 1
MASTER SERGEANT GRADE 2
MASTER SERGEANT GRADE 3
FIRST SERGEANT
FIRST SERGEANT GRADE 1
FIRST SERGEANT GRADE 2
FIRST SERGEANT GRADE 3
SERGEANT MAJOR
SERGEANT MAJOR GRADE 1
SERGEANT MAJOR GRADE 2
SERGEANT MAJOR GRADE 3
COMMANDER SERGEANT
COMMANDER SERGEANT GRADE 1
COMMANDER SERGEANT GRADE 2
COMMANDER SERGEANT GRADE 3
OFFICER
OFFICER GRADE 1
OFFICER GRADE 2
OFFICER GRADE 3
PETTY OFFICER
PETTY OFFICER GRADE 1
PETTY OFFICER GRADE 2
PETTY OFFICER GRADE 3
CHIEF PETTY OFFICER
CHIEF PETTY OFFICER GRADE 1
CHIEF PETTY OFFICER GRADE 2
CHIEF PETTY OFFICER GRADE 3
MASTER CHIEF PETTY OFFICER
MASTER CHIEF PETTY OFFICER GRADE 1
MASTER CHIEF PETTY OFFICER GRADE 2
MASTER CHIEF PETTY OFFICER GRADE 3
WARRANT OFFICER
WARRANT OFFICER GRADE 1
WARRANT OFFICER GRADE 2
WARRANT OFFICER GRADE 3
CHIEF WARRANT OFFICER
CHIEF WARRANT OFFICER GRADE 1
CHIEF WARRANT OFFICER GRADE 2
CHIEF WARRANT OFFICER GRADE 3
MASTER CHIEF WARRANT OFFICER
MASTER CHIEF WARRANT OFFICER GRADE 1
MASTER CHIEF WARRANT OFFICER GRADE 2
MASTER CHIEF WARRANT OFFICER GRADE 3
FIELD OFFICER
FIELD OFFICER GRADE 1
FIELD OFFICER GRADE 2
FIELD OFFICER GRADE 3
LIEUTENANT
LIEUTENANT GRADE 1
LIEUTENANT GRADE 2
LIEUTENANT GRADE 3
SECOND LIEUTENANT
SECOND LIEUTENANT GRADE 1
SECOND LIEUTENANT GRADE 2
SECOND LIEUTENANT GRADE 3
FIRST LIEUTENANT
FIRST LIEUTENANT GRADE 1
FIRST LIEUTENANT GRADE 2
FIRST LIEUTENANT GRADE 3
LT. CAPTAIN
LT. CAPTAIN GRADE 1
LT. CAPTAIN GRADE 2
LT. CAPTAIN GRADE 3
CAPTAIN
CAPTAIN GRADE 1
CAPTAIN GRADE 2
CAPTAIN GRADE 3
LT. MAJOR
LT. MAJOR GRADE 1
LT. MAJOR GRADE 2
LT. MAJOR GRADE 3
MAJOR
MAJOR GRADE 1
MAJOR GRADE 2
MAJOR GRADE 3
LT. COMMANDER
LT. COMMANDER GRADE 1
LT. COMMANDER GRADE 2
LT. COMMANDER GRADE 3
COMMANDER
COMMANDER GRADE 1
COMMANDER GRADE 2
COMMANDER GRADE 3
LT. COLONEL
LT. COLONEL GRADE 1
LT. COLONEL GRADE 2
LT. COLONEL GRADE 3
COLONEL
COLONEL GRADE 1
COLONEL GRADE 2
COLONEL GRADE 3
LT. BRIGADIER
LT. BRIGADIER GRADE 1
LT. BRIGADIER GRADE 2
LT. BRIGADIER GRADE 3
BRIGADIER
BRIGADIER GRADE 1
BRIGADIER GRADE 2
BRIGADIER GRADE 3
LT. GENERAL
LT. GENERAL GRADE 1
LT. GENERAL GRADE 2
LT. GENERAL GRADE 3
GENERAL
GENERAL GRADE 1
GENERAL GRADE 2
GENERAL GRADE 3
GENERAL GRADE 4
GENERAL GRADE 5
LT. MARSHALL
LT. MARSHALL GRADE 1
LT. MARSHALL GRADE 2
LT. MARSHALL GRADE 3
LT. MARSHALL GRADE 4
LT. MARSHALL GRADE 5
MARSHALL
MARSHALL GRADE 1
MARSHALL GRADE 2
MARSHALL GRADE 3
MARSHALL GRADE 4
MARSHALL GRADE 5
FIELD MARSHALL
FIELD MARSHALL GRADE 1
FIELD MARSHALL GRADE 2
FIELD MARSHALL GRADE 3
FIELD MARSHALL GRADE 4
FIELD MARSHALL GRADE 5
LEADER OF THE ARMY

  • 02.02.2011 12:30 AM PDT

On the date of 3/7/11, my friend Luke hung himself, R.I.P Buddy, im gonna miss you...

Thats a hell a ton of ranks....

  • 02.02.2011 12:44 AM PDT

Posted by: REFlegacy
Thats a hell a ton of ranks....


I know. I wanted something like this in Reach... =/

  • 02.02.2011 12:53 AM PDT

lol.

Why fix what isn't broken? The military loves tradition, I doubt they'll mix ranks. Plus, in... Fall of Reach I think, John meets Colonel Ackerson, and notes how he's the equivalent of a Navy Captain. Or some similar scenario, or more, in one or more of the novels.

Plus, your list is made entirely on your own speculation, especially since you include "grades" for each rank, which are just mechanisms encorporated into a player ranking system to make progression more fun. In reality, there are no "grades" for each individual rank, and I doubt the military would ever go to such a system.

Here's how rank works in the US military (can vary from country to country, but most countries have a very similar rank titles, and officer ranks rarely, if ever, vary), which the UNSC's ranks resemble closely:

Army:
E-1: Private
E-2: Private
E-3: Private First Class
E-4: Specialist or Corporal (Army troops in Reach sometimes have SPC rank)
E-5: Sergeant
E-6: Staff Sergeant
E-7: Sergeant First Class
E-8: Master Sergeant
E-9: Sergeant Major or Command Sergeant Major

Marine Corps:
E-1: Private
E-2: Private First Class
E-3: Lance Corporal
E-4: Corporal
E-5: Sergeant
E-6: Staff Sergeant
E-7: Gunnery Sergeant
E-8: Master Sergeant or First Sergeant
E-9: Master Gunnery Sergeant or Sergeant Major

Air Force:
E-1: Airman Basic
E-2: Airman
E-3: Airman First Class
E-4: Senior Airman
E-5: Staff Sergeant
E-6: Technical Sergeant
E-7: Master Sergeant
E-8: Senior Master Sergeant
E-9: Chief Master Sergeant or Command Chief Master Sergeant

Officers (The above three all share the same officer ranks):
O-1: Second Lieutenant
O-2: First Lieutenant
O-3: Captain
O-4: Major
O-5: Lieutenant Colonel
O-6: Colonel
0-7: Brigadier General
O-8: Major General
O-9: Lieutenant General
O-10: General

Navy (Naval ratings are a little confusing, as they can vary depending on one's job, I believe. I think the following are the standard):
E-1: Seaman Recruit
E-2: Seaman Apprentice
E-3: Seaman
E-4: Petty Officer 3rd Class
E-5: Petty Officer 2nd Class
E-6: Petty Officer 1st Class
E-7: Chief Petty Officer (CPO Mendez, for example)
E-8: Senior Chief Petty Officer
E-9: Master Chief Petty Officer (John-117, for example), or command, fleet, or force Master Chief Petty Officer

Naval Officers:
O-1: Ensign (seen in Halo on multiple accounts, Ensign Lovell, for example)
O-2: Lieutenant Junior Grade
O-3: Lieutenant (Keyes when working with Halsey before SPARTAN-II project)
O-4: Lieutenant Commander
O-5: Commander
O-6: Captain
O-7: Rear Admiral (lower)
O-8: Rear Admiral (upper)
O-9: Vice Admiral
O-10: Admiral

I'm not sure where you got those ranks though... the Halo 3 ranking system?

  • 02.02.2011 1:07 AM PDT

"Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things."

"Waiting is good. It means you’re not going to die. The person you need to feel sorry for is the one who gets rushed into the ER and treated first."

NREMT-B

Tiocfaidh ár lá!

As far as we know, the military ranks of the halo universe (besides those used in game) are based almost exactly on those that the US military uses at present.

Tradition is and presumably always will be important in military circles. Close order drill is still trained to this day, even though is has almost not use in the modern battlefield.

Why fix what isn't broken? The military loves tradition, I doubt they'll mix ranks. Plus, in... Fall of Reach I think, John meets Colonel Ackerson, and notes how he's the equivalent of a Navy Captain. Or some similar scenario, or more, in one or more of the novels.

  • 02.02.2011 1:17 AM PDT

All Spartans are UNSC Navy. Read a halo book first. Army "troopers" in Halo were on Reach but were not affiliated with Spartans. No service transfers contracts for their soldiers to other services. So no, the Spartan III's were never Army.
Also, when trained by CPO Mendez, they trained under the Navy.
CPO Mendez is an ex Spartan I and IS a marine, hence Navy.

  • 02.02.2011 8:56 AM PDT
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  • 02.02.2011 9:32 AM PDT

"Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things."

"Waiting is good. It means you’re not going to die. The person you need to feel sorry for is the one who gets rushed into the ER and treated first."

NREMT-B

Tiocfaidh ár lá!


Posted by: skullyHelm
All Spartans are UNSC Navy. Read a halo book first. Army "troopers" in Halo were on Reach but were not affiliated with Spartans. No service transfers contracts for their soldiers to other services. So no, the Spartan III's were never Army.
Also, when trained by CPO Mendez, they trained under the Navy.
CPO Mendez is an ex Spartan I and IS a marine, hence Navy.



The problem with that comes in GoO. Colonel Ackerson starts the Spartan IIIs under army jurisdiction and with army ranks (the trainee Spartans are often refereed to as private, an army rank).

CPO Mendez would not have been a Marine with the rank Chief Petty Officer. That is a navy rank, not a Marine Corps rank. CPO is an E-7, its Marine Corps equivalent would have been Gunnery Sergeant.

  • 02.02.2011 11:11 AM PDT