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Subject: The origin of the Flood is incredibly obvious...

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: Temp Ultarium
Ok, so Cryptum confirms that The Flood is the last "answer" of the precursors. So that makes the The Flood precursor payback for the Forerunners killing them off? I mean, that makes sense, but how exactly could Forerunners kill off Precursors? They were Transentient. Maybe the original gravemind lied? (previously stated) Maybe the Flood was another transentient race (stated in an old, proven incorrect, but very thought out theory) and was the actual fall of the precursors. Or, maybe he was telling the truth and he is the precursor answer to the end of the forerunners. I still just don't get how the forerunners at their state in technology could have beaten the precursors.


The Precursors still had a physical form that resembled the appearance of a eurypterid, they were not invincible.

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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: Temp Ultarium
Ok, so Cryptum confirms that The Flood is the last "answer" of the precursors. So that makes the The Flood precursor payback for the Forerunners killing them off? I mean, that makes sense, but how exactly could Forerunners kill off Precursors? They were Transentient. Maybe the original gravemind lied? (previously stated) Maybe the Flood was another transentient race (stated in an old, proven incorrect, but very thought out theory) and was the actual fall of the precursors. Or, maybe he was telling the truth and he is the precursor answer to the end of the forerunners. I still just don't get how the forerunners at their state in technology could have beaten the precursors.


The Precursors still had a physical form that resembled the appearance of a eurypterid, they were not invincible.


The gravemind is transentient,from the bestiarium:

The Flood have no culture as such, as they should be considered a single macroorganism instead of a group of individuals or even a group of subsentient individuals controlled by single, or a group of, [transsentient[?]] being(s).

This might confirm that the captive becomes the gravemind.

See the link?

Captive=precursor=transsentient

Captive becomes the gravemind and the flood now have a transentient leader and they evolve.

  • 02.02.2011 10:52 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: hotshot revan II
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: Temp Ultarium
Ok, so Cryptum confirms that The Flood is the last "answer" of the precursors. So that makes the The Flood precursor payback for the Forerunners killing them off? I mean, that makes sense, but how exactly could Forerunners kill off Precursors? They were Transentient. Maybe the original gravemind lied? (previously stated) Maybe the Flood was another transentient race (stated in an old, proven incorrect, but very thought out theory) and was the actual fall of the precursors. Or, maybe he was telling the truth and he is the precursor answer to the end of the forerunners. I still just don't get how the forerunners at their state in technology could have beaten the precursors.


The Precursors still had a physical form that resembled the appearance of a eurypterid, they were not invincible.


The gravemind is transentient,from the bestiarium:
being(s).


I have the Bestiarum next to me right now, it is conjecture and mere speculation because of the question mark present.

[Edited on 02.02.2011 11:03 AM PST]

  • 02.02.2011 11:02 AM PDT

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that would be a big risk as they would mess up their genes and be mindless

  • 02.02.2011 11:12 AM PDT

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Posted by: darkruby
well if anything, the flood is the exact opposite of the mantle. one side is the preservation of life, the other, destruction.

it would appear that ancient humans upheld the "mantle" by destroyin some of their own to save the rest.

my understandin is taht the forrunners realised this at the end...ergo firing the halos...last resort.

Does the Flood take life, or give it...

  • 02.02.2011 11:12 AM PDT


Posted by: Spartan1065
Posted by: darkruby
well if anything, the flood is the exact opposite of the mantle. one side is the preservation of life, the other, destruction.

it would appear that ancient humans upheld the "mantle" by destroyin some of their own to save the rest.

my understandin is taht the forrunners realised this at the end...ergo firing the halos...last resort.

Does the Flood take life, or give it...


It only takes. The only "life" it gives is what he told Bias to sway him. That the forerunners would end up stagnant and life would just stay the way it was. The Flood would be the next stage because it was a completely utopian being. All working towards it's own common good. However, no individuality or experience. Like ants. Yea, that's not "life"

  • 02.02.2011 11:18 AM PDT

You're all wrong. The prisoner was not a Precursor, but in fact Margaret Parangosky from ONI.

It's a cover up by Section 3, Beta Division.

  • 02.02.2011 12:57 PM PDT

all I'm saying is, look up Precursor and Mantle in the dictionary

As well as their usual meanings they have other, biological significance

  • 02.02.2011 12:58 PM PDT

Has life ever felt like a really bad sitcom?

Actually, by becoming the flood they would have access to any information they can find, and due the vast power of the flood, that's a lot. Despite becoming physically unappealling, the flood would be a major improvement for the forerunners. ntm that they'd be immortal.

  • 02.02.2011 2:31 PM PDT

Refer to my previous post.

  • 02.02.2011 3:21 PM PDT

You're right. the precursors DID create the flood. But i think that something went wrong The precursors were a good people that preserved life. They created the flood to punish the forerunners, NOT the galaxy. i think that the flood became too powerful than they planned when the gravemind was created, and became rampant.
just my 2 cents

  • 02.03.2011 6:42 AM PDT


Posted by: Spartan1065
Posted by: darkruby
well if anything, the flood is the exact opposite of the mantle. one side is the preservation of life, the other, destruction.

it would appear that ancient humans upheld the "mantle" by destroyin some of their own to save the rest.

my understandin is taht the forrunners realised this at the end...ergo firing the halos...last resort.

Does the Flood take life, or give it...


"...Who is victim, and who is foe?"

I honestly don't see anything connecting the Flood to the Precursors, other than Prisoner, but I think there is absolutely no evidence...yet...to connect the Precursors as a whole to the Flood. If what the Forerunners believe about the Precursors originating the Mantle is indeed true in root, not necessarily the way they believe it but the idea behind the Mantle coming from the Precursors, I don't think they would have made the Flood, even as a revenge ploy, the Flood is pretty much anathema to the philosophy of the Mantle, they are opposites. The Mantle is Order and the Flood is Chaos, they are like Yin and Yang complete polar opposites of each other.

  • 02.03.2011 7:28 AM PDT

Its kind of obvious humanity was the intended inheritors of the Mantle. The Forerunners, being the egomaniacle pricks they are, took out the Precursors (or at least drove them from the galaxy), and ruled the galaxy with an iron fist.

That is to say, they'd completely destroy all who opposed them, not exactly following the Mantle then, huh? War should be the Mantle Holders' last option, not first.

It seems humanity was wronged, and the Precursors send the Flood to prove just how wrong the Forerunners were, that they were not ready.

The Precursors still had a physical form that resembled the appearance of a eurypterid, they were not invincible.

It is more a matter of fact their technology was. And then consider the Captive was several million years old. They're there to represent a perfect benovolent civilization, pure and eternally pristine (and then screwed over for a lust for power (Forerunners)). Whether Precursors themselves, without technology, is invincible is debatable. But with their technology, they are.

[Edited on 02.03.2011 7:55 AM PST]

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