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Ok, a long time ago I had made a post on the same subject. After reading the topic about group takeovers and multiple user ID's, I got a little miffed. The problem on here, coming from someone that knows the system (no, not personally, but well enough to work it), is that it can be manipulated. No, I don't hack. I couldn't even figure out how to change screen resolution up till a little while ago.

B.net bans users with basically IP addresses. I don't know for sure, but I know after 2 days the computer ban is lifted. Allowing the person to just make another profile, and another, and another. Enough so in fact, that if a user stays ahead of the "banhammer" they'll never get caught. Write a post, sign out, sign in on another name, check the old post periodically to see if the ID is good.

With group takeovers, it isn't hacking. All it is is gaining someone's misplaced trust, and turning it against them. For example, post on a group's forums. Just agree with everything said by the highest ranking person. They'll bump up your powers, and open the flood gate if you will to anything. Groups are supposed to be private which is why Bungie would be straying away from the subject of moderating them. Seeing as moderating that would mean 5000 X more work.

The system needs to be fixed. This is coming from someone that understands how it can be used, misaprioately (butchered that word). I don't understand how it works, not through the IP bans, but the 2 days one would wait after being banned. That goes for permabans also. In 2 days after a permaban a person can make another profile, scot free. However that 2 days works is beyond me, but that would be the best way to stop such things from happening. So trust "Th3 Imp3rsonat0r" on this, the system on here is flawed. It should be fixed. And with the new expected flood of users joining when Halo 3 comes out, this problem can only grow, not just go away.

  • 12.10.2005 6:26 PM PDT

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So how would you propose the system be 'fixed'. The only thing that defines one computer from another, is its IP address, which unfortuantly, can be changed at any time the user wishes to.

  • 12.10.2005 6:48 PM PDT

How do u change your IP?

  • 12.10.2005 6:51 PM PDT
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IP's can be changed by simply unplugging the cable internet modem for a few minutes with the computer off, then plugging it back in. That's why an IP ban is next to pointless.

The modem ID number however can't be changed. That;s what the cable company bills to. It is the only number that can't be changed by the user. Only a new cable service can do that. That number is what should be banned. I know it exists also, since that number can be used to track your computer, the sites it goes on, and where the computer is located (address).

I don't know the privacy laws on that, but that is one fix to the problem. The problem that does need to be fixed.

  • 12.10.2005 6:58 PM PDT

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Well there really isn't much Bungie can do. As far as I know though (and I don't know for sure), the 2 day ban extends again if try to login with another account while your other one is permabanned (I also have no idea how that works). People could always make a new account with a completely different computer though, it's nearly impossible to stop somebody if he/she is persistant enough.

  • 12.10.2005 8:06 PM PDT
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I've been around these parts for almost eight years now...wow! Maybe I should be concerned about that...

Groups are privately moderated. Bungie doesn't need to help.

IP adresses are pretty much the only reliable way to stop people, and even that is unreliable, considering how people cna change it easily.

In short, the system can't be "fixed".

[Edited on 12/10/2005]

  • 12.10.2005 8:54 PM PDT

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The modem ID number however can't be changed. That;s what the cable company bills to. It is the only number that can't be changed by the user. Only a new cable service can do that. That number is what should be banned. I know it exists also, since that number can be used to track your computer, the sites it goes on, and where the computer is located (address).

I don't use cable. This method has just been made redundant.

But Achronos is, quite frankly, the man, and will no doubt devise some devilish device to render a spammer's computer useless. Even if it means waiting until the slingshot is complete.

  • 12.10.2005 9:50 PM PDT

Runnnnnn!

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Posted by: Hot Dogs
The modem ID number however can't be changed. That;s what the cable company bills to. It is the only number that can't be changed by the user. Only a new cable service can do that. That number is what should be banned. I know it exists also, since that number can be used to track your computer, the sites it goes on, and where the computer is located (address).

I don't use cable. This method has just been made redundant.

But Achronos is, quite frankly, the man, and will no doubt devise some devilish device to render a spammer's computer useless. Even if it means waiting until the slingshot is complete.

I can't wait.

  • 12.10.2005 10:04 PM PDT