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Subject: Legendary Planet and Cryptum

i remember there being discussion about the legendary planet at the end of halo 3 possibly being onyx. given what we now now from cryptum, what do you guys think that planet is?

  • 02.03.2011 1:33 PM PDT

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Onyx was destroyed, all that's left is the Micro Dyson Sphere which is only 3 meters in diameter in normal space and it's surrounded by trillions of pissed-off Sentinels. And nobody say that they can just form back together, even if they did you can't expect an atmosphere and habitable planetary conditions to appear out of nowhere in the space of a few years.

Cryptum gives no inclination as to what the Legendary Planet may be, all we know is is that Mendicant Bias is sending John to the Forerunners.

  • 02.03.2011 1:45 PM PDT

The Legendary planet is could be Charum Hakkor?

  • 02.03.2011 1:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
The Legendary planet is could be Charum Hakkor?


Charum Hakkor was:
A) Not a Forerunner planet.
B) In the Milky Way, the Legendary Planet is not.

  • 02.03.2011 2:00 PM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
The Legendary planet is could be Charum Hakkor?


Charum Hakkor was:
A) Not a Forerunner planet.
B) In the Milky Way, the Legendary Planet is not.

A) Why does it have to be a Forerunner Planet?
B) Where did you find that info?

  • 02.03.2011 2:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
The Legendary planet is could be Charum Hakkor?


Charum Hakkor was:
A) Not a Forerunner planet.
B) In the Milky Way, the Legendary Planet is not.

A) Why does it have to be a Forerunner Planet?
B) Where did you find that info?


A) The symbols on the surface are Forerunner Glyphs.
B) Bias tells John he's sending John to the Forerunners, the Forerunners left the galaxy after they passed the mantle down to humanity.

  • 02.03.2011 2:05 PM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
The Legendary planet is could be Charum Hakkor?


Charum Hakkor was:
A) Not a Forerunner planet.
B) In the Milky Way, the Legendary Planet is not.

A) Why does it have to be a Forerunner Planet?
B) Where did you find that info?


A) The symbols on the surface are Forerunner Glyphs.
B) Bias tells John he's sending John to the Forerunners, the Forerunners left the galaxy after they passed the mantle down to humanity.

A) Maybe the glyphs are precursor, and the forerunners adopted them, much like some of our phrases in english are adopted from latin?
B)"After exhausting every other strategic option, my creators activated the rings. They, and all additional sentient life within three radii of the galactic center died, as planned." - 343 Guilty Spark
The Forerunners are dead, has it not occured to people that Medicent Bias was trying to kill the Chief?

  • 02.03.2011 2:12 PM PDT


Posted by: Astrogenesis 1

Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
The Legendary planet is could be Charum Hakkor?


Charum Hakkor was:
A) Not a Forerunner planet.
B) In the Milky Way, the Legendary Planet is not.

A) Why does it have to be a Forerunner Planet?
B) Where did you find that info?


A) The symbols on the surface are Forerunner Glyphs.
B) Bias tells John he's sending John to the Forerunners, the Forerunners left the galaxy after they passed the mantle down to humanity.

A) Maybe the glyphs are precursor, and the forerunners adopted them, much like some of our phrases in english are adopted from latin?
B)"After exhausting every other strategic option, my creators activated the rings. They, and all additional sentient life within three radii of the galactic center died, as planned." - 343 Guilty Spark
The Forerunners are dead, has it not occured to people that Medicent Bias was trying to kill the Chief?


A) I agree
B) Incorrect. Halo 3 and 343 industries state otherwise. Bias was trying to help. The Forerunners left the galaxy.

[Edited on 02.03.2011 2:16 PM PST]

  • 02.03.2011 2:16 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
The Forerunners left the galaxy.

Where is this stated?

  • 02.03.2011 2:20 PM PDT

Seriously Oak, Ive been doing this -blam!- for 16 years, gimmie my Friggen starter Pokemon and dont call me till im the champion! ¬_¬


Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
"After exhausting every other strategic option, my creators activated the rings. They, and all additional sentient life within three radii of the galactic center died, as planned." - 343 Guilty Spark
The Forerunners are dead, has it not occured to people that Medicent Bias was trying to kill the Chief?


I have every reason to believe it could be charum haktor, Bias said he'd send chief to them, but Bias is only a fragment, he could have no idea where they are or what happened to them

Though he will remember charum haktor, chances are this fragment remembers when he was ordered to zap the humans, could be the last he remembers

my other theory is his "Makers" could refer to a much more specific level, when with the gravemind, i believe he was taught of the precursors, of the forerunners betrayal, and how the precusors created and exist in the domain he is so accessed to

For this and other sciency reasons that hurt my head, he could send master chief to charum haktor, under no intrest to appease the long dead forerunners, but the much more transentiant precursors c:

Posted by: Astrogenesis 1

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
The Forerunners left the galaxy.

Where is this stated?


"Left" is the child-friendly metaphor for "They be hasin ther' brains turned to vapour"


[Edited on 02.03.2011 2:22 PM PST]

  • 02.03.2011 2:20 PM PDT


Posted by: Astrogenesis 1

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
The Forerunners left the galaxy.

Where is this stated?


In the Halo: Encyclopedia written by 343 industries. It mentions the shattered remnants of Forerunner society leaving the galaxy forever.

  • 02.03.2011 2:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
A) Maybe the glyphs are precursor, and the forerunners adopted them, much like some of our phrases in english are adopted from latin?


Maybe they are, the Forerunners were created by the Precursors after all. But until there is any proof to link the two, Forerunner Glyphs are not Precursor Glyphs because we've never seen any.

B)"After exhausting every other strategic option, my creators activated the rings. They, and all additional sentient life within three radii of the galactic center died, as planned." - 343 Guilty Spark
The Forerunners are dead, has it not occured to people that Medicent Bias was trying to kill the Chief?


Mendicant Bias was trying to prove he has atoned for betraying the Forerunners, he states in the final Terminal he's going to send John to his masters as proof that he's changed.

Notice how Spark is deluded throughout the trilogy, the Bestiarum states that what he says is under investigation. I might also point out that his knowledge is compartmentalised.

There's no set-in-stone proof that the Forerunners are dead, the Halo Encyclopedia states that they left the galaxy. The Didact says that once the Rings are fired the Forerunners will follow in the footsteps of the Precursors.

  • 02.03.2011 2:25 PM PDT

If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

yet.


Posted by: ajw34307
Onyx was destroyed, all that's left is the Micro Dyson Sphere which is only 3 meters in diameter in normal space and it's surrounded by trillions of pissed-off Sentinels. And nobody say that they can just form back together, even if they did you can't expect an atmosphere and habitable planetary conditions to appear out of nowhere in the space of a few years.

Cryptum gives no inclination as to what the Legendary Planet may be, all we know is is that Mendicant Bias is sending John to the Forerunners.

There's a bunch of Spartan's in a 3 diameter sphere?

  • 02.03.2011 2:26 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: drake3011
I have every reason to believe it could be charum haktor, Bias said he'd send chief to them, but Bias is only a fragment, he could have no idea where they are or what happened to them


Did you play Halo 2 and 3?

Bias had 2 fragments, the one on the Ark and the one in the Dreadnaught. When Truth arrives at the Ark, the two fragments are unified and Bias becomes whole again.

Though he will remember charum haktor, chances are this fragment remembers when he was ordered to zap the humans, could be the last he remembers

Again, since he is unified he'd have all his "memories".

my other theory is his "Makers" could refer to a much more specific level, when with the gravemind, i believe he was taught of the precursors, of the forerunners betrayal, and how the precusors created and exist in the domain he is so accessed to

For this and other sciency reasons that hurt my head, he could send master chief to charum haktor, under no intrest to appease the long dead forerunners, but the much more transentiant precursors c:


The Precursors are all gone, dead. The Forerunners wiped them all out except for the Prisoner. The Forerunners are still alive.

Posted by: Astrogenesis 1

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
The Forerunners left the galaxy.

Where is this stated?


"Left" is the child-friendly metaphor for "They be hasin ther' brains turned to vapour"


Just no. -_-

[Edited on 02.03.2011 2:33 PM PST]

  • 02.03.2011 2:29 PM PDT


Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Posted by: ajw34307
Onyx was destroyed, all that's left is the Micro Dyson Sphere which is only 3 meters in diameter in normal space and it's surrounded by trillions of pissed-off Sentinels. And nobody say that they can just form back together, even if they did you can't expect an atmosphere and habitable planetary conditions to appear out of nowhere in the space of a few years.

Cryptum gives no inclination as to what the Legendary Planet may be, all we know is is that Mendicant Bias is sending John to the Forerunners.

There's a bunch of Spartan's in a 3 diameter sphere?


i was just thinking the same thing, maybe he got his figures wrong? I haven't read Onyx btw.

  • 02.03.2011 2:32 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: TheGreenAlloy
Posted by: ajw34307
Onyx was destroyed, all that's left is the Micro Dyson Sphere which is only 3 meters in diameter in normal space and it's surrounded by trillions of pissed-off Sentinels. And nobody say that they can just form back together, even if they did you can't expect an atmosphere and habitable planetary conditions to appear out of nowhere in the space of a few years.

Cryptum gives no inclination as to what the Legendary Planet may be, all we know is is that Mendicant Bias is sending John to the Forerunners.

There's a bunch of Spartan's in a 3 diameter sphere?


Like the TARDIS, it's bigger on the inside.

The Dyson Sphere exists in two different dimensions, it's encased in a slipspace bubble of compressed dimensionality. In slipspace it's many times the size of Earth.

  • 02.03.2011 2:33 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
Posted by: TheGreenAlloy
Posted by: ajw34307
Onyx was destroyed, all that's left is the Micro Dyson Sphere which is only 3 meters in diameter in normal space and it's surrounded by trillions of pissed-off Sentinels. And nobody say that they can just form back together, even if they did you can't expect an atmosphere and habitable planetary conditions to appear out of nowhere in the space of a few years.

Cryptum gives no inclination as to what the Legendary Planet may be, all we know is is that Mendicant Bias is sending John to the Forerunners.

There's a bunch of Spartan's in a 3 diameter sphere?


i was just thinking the same thing, maybe he got his figures wrong? I haven't read Onyx btw.


Then maybe you should consider reading it before saying I'm wrong?

  • 02.03.2011 2:34 PM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
Posted by: TheGreenAlloy
Posted by: ajw34307
Onyx was destroyed, all that's left is the Micro Dyson Sphere which is only 3 meters in diameter in normal space and it's surrounded by trillions of pissed-off Sentinels. And nobody say that they can just form back together, even if they did you can't expect an atmosphere and habitable planetary conditions to appear out of nowhere in the space of a few years.

Cryptum gives no inclination as to what the Legendary Planet may be, all we know is is that Mendicant Bias is sending John to the Forerunners.

There's a bunch of Spartan's in a 3 diameter sphere?


i was just thinking the same thing, maybe he got his figures wrong? I haven't read Onyx btw.


Then maybe you should consider reading it before saying I'm wrong?


I wasn't saying you were wrong, I was just suggesting a possiblity.

  • 02.03.2011 2:36 PM PDT

If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

yet.


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: TheGreenAlloy
Posted by: ajw34307
Onyx was destroyed, all that's left is the Micro Dyson Sphere which is only 3 meters in diameter in normal space and it's surrounded by trillions of pissed-off Sentinels. And nobody say that they can just form back together, even if they did you can't expect an atmosphere and habitable planetary conditions to appear out of nowhere in the space of a few years.

Cryptum gives no inclination as to what the Legendary Planet may be, all we know is is that Mendicant Bias is sending John to the Forerunners.

There's a bunch of Spartan's in a 3 diameter sphere?


Like the TARDIS, it's bigger on the inside.

The Dyson Sphere exists in two different dimensions, it's encased in a slipspace bubble of compressed dimensionality. In slipspace it's many times the size of Earth.

Ah, of course.

  • 02.03.2011 2:51 PM PDT
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We are all going to get banned aren't we?

It was stated that the Forerunners left the orion arm of the galaxy, not the milky way as they do not have means to travel outside of our galaxy.

  • 02.05.2011 12:15 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
It was stated that the Forerunners left the orion arm of the galaxy, not the milky way as they do not have means to travel outside of our galaxy.


Yes they do. They never had the incentive to travel beyond our galaxy, but they could. They could travel between universes. I don't think galaxies are an issue.

It also appears the Precursors are still alive. Remember the oft quoted Didact line "follow in their footsteps." It seems they found out the whereabouts of the Great Journey.

[Edited on 02.05.2011 1:46 PM PST]

  • 02.05.2011 1:45 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Posted by: grey101
It was stated that the Forerunners left the orion arm of the galaxy, not the milky way as they do not have means to travel outside of our galaxy.


Yes they do. They never had the incentive to travel beyond our galaxy, but they could. They could travel between universes. I don't think galaxies are an issue.

It also appears the Precursors are still alive. Remember the oft quoted Didact line "follow in their footsteps." It seems they found out the whereabouts of the Great Journey.


The Forerunners couldn't travel between universes, there is only 1 universe.

  • 02.05.2011 1:48 PM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Posted by: grey101
It was stated that the Forerunners left the orion arm of the galaxy, not the milky way as they do not have means to travel outside of our galaxy.


Yes they do. They never had the incentive to travel beyond our galaxy, but they could. They could travel between universes. I don't think galaxies are an issue.

It also appears the Precursors are still alive. Remember the oft quoted Didact line "follow in their footsteps." It seems they found out the whereabouts of the Great Journey.


The Forerunners couldn't travel between universes, there is only 1 universe.


So "Trick Geodetics, Natal Void, The Glow, Denial of Locale, Shunspace, and Slipspace" aren't other universes? He even states (Bornstellar) in Cryptum they are other "realities," or universes.

  • 02.05.2011 1:51 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Posted by: grey101
It was stated that the Forerunners left the orion arm of the galaxy, not the milky way as they do not have means to travel outside of our galaxy.


Yes they do. They never had the incentive to travel beyond our galaxy, but they could. They could travel between universes. I don't think galaxies are an issue.

It also appears the Precursors are still alive. Remember the oft quoted Didact line "follow in their footsteps." It seems they found out the whereabouts of the Great Journey.


The Forerunners couldn't travel between universes, there is only 1 universe.


So "Trick Geodetics, Natal Void, The Glow, Denial of Locale, Shunspace, and Slipspace" aren't other universes? He even states (Bornstellar) in Cryptum they are other "realities," or universes.


Slipspace is another dimension, not another universe. The Natal Void was the name given to the realm outside the galaxy, as was the Glow (comprised of photons) and Trick Geodetics.

  • 02.05.2011 2:00 PM PDT

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