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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: grey101
It was stated that the Forerunners left the orion arm of the galaxy, not the milky way as they do not have means to travel outside of our galaxy.


Yes they do. They never had the incentive to travel beyond our galaxy, but they could. They could travel between universes. I don't think galaxies are an issue.

It also appears the Precursors are still alive. Remember the oft quoted Didact line "follow in their footsteps." It seems they found out the whereabouts of the Great Journey.


No they couldn't. if they could travel outside the galaxy then they would have started to send ships elsewhere since they were running out of planets to live on (stated in cryptum). plus ever if they COULD it would be a huge task that would take thousands of years to prepare for the proper technology.

Builfing the ark right outside our galaxy was a testament to there power and as far as they could go.

  • 02.05.2011 2:05 PM PDT


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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Posted by: grey101
It was stated that the Forerunners left the orion arm of the galaxy, not the milky way as they do not have means to travel outside of our galaxy.


Yes they do. They never had the incentive to travel beyond our galaxy, but they could. They could travel between universes. I don't think galaxies are an issue.

It also appears the Precursors are still alive. Remember the oft quoted Didact line "follow in their footsteps." It seems they found out the whereabouts of the Great Journey.


The Forerunners couldn't travel between universes, there is only 1 universe.


So "Trick Geodetics, Natal Void, The Glow, Denial of Locale, Shunspace, and Slipspace" aren't other universes? He even states (Bornstellar) in Cryptum they are other "realities," or universes.


Slipspace is another dimension, not another universe. The Natal Void was the name given to the realm outside the galaxy, as was the Glow (comprised of photons) and Trick Geodetics.


For one, no where in the book does it say that. There is no definition other then "other spaces, other realities" for any of the alternate planes Foreunners explored.

Second, there is a difference between universes and dimension you don't seem to realize.

Dimension is like the third dimension we live on, time being the 4th and so on up to at least 11. An alternate dimension would be inconceivable to humans or any other 3D creature.

Another universe is what slipspace is, as are the other ones. It doesn't operate like our universe and is directly parallel our own, but not another dimension entirely. If it was, humans, being mere 3D creatures, shouldn't be able to cross it without dire consequences.

Third, there is nothing outside the galaxy. A photon only realm such as the Glow can't exist in between galaxies. It'd be glowing bright, not pitch black.

Everything right there, unless I somehow missed something, was assumption.

  • 02.05.2011 2:58 PM PDT

"After the starved Flood died off, the planets were reseeded with the rescued life forms and the shattered remnants of the Forerunner civilization decided to leave the galaxy. Their final destination and current status remain unknown."

From the Encyclopedia

If they could travel outside the galaxy then they would have started to send ships elsewhere since they were running out of planets to live on (stated in cryptum).

That's exactly what they did.

  • 02.05.2011 3:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
For one, no where in the book does it say that. There is no definition other then "other spaces, other realities" for any of the alternate planes Foreunners explored.


Page 100 of Cryptum.

Second, there is a difference between universes and dimension you don't seem to realize.

Dimension is like the third dimension we live on, time being the 4th and so on up to at least 11. An alternate dimension would be inconceivable to humans or any other 3D creature.

Another universe is what slipspace is, as are the other ones. It doesn't operate like our universe and is directly parallel our own, but not another dimension entirely. If it was, humans, being mere 3D creatures, shouldn't be able to cross it without dire consequences.


Contact Harvest refers to slipspace as another dimension.

Third, there is nothing outside the galaxy. A photon only realm such as the Glow can't exist in between galaxies. It'd be glowing bright, not pitch black.

Everything right there, unless I somehow missed something, was assumption.


I'm glad you have an absolute definition of the Halo universe with real world physics, unfortunately it's not applicable to fiction.

  • 02.05.2011 3:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
"After the starved Flood died off, the planets were reseeded with the rescued life forms and the shattered remnants of the Forerunner civilization decided to leave the galaxy. Their final destination and current status remain unknown."

From the Encyclopedia

If they could travel outside the galaxy then they would have started to send ships elsewhere since they were running out of planets to live on (stated in cryptum).

That's exactly what they did.



Yet in the same encyclopedia it states that the forerunners only left the orion arm, not the galaxy. This is more likly than them leaving the galaxy all of a sudden which would have made more sense for them to do than make halo.

  • 02.05.2011 3:09 PM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
For one, no where in the book does it say that. There is no definition other then "other spaces, other realities" for any of the alternate planes Foreunners explored.


Page 100 of Cryptum.

Second, there is a difference between universes and dimension you don't seem to realize.

Dimension is like the third dimension we live on, time being the 4th and so on up to at least 11. An alternate dimension would be inconceivable to humans or any other 3D creature.

Another universe is what slipspace is, as are the other ones. It doesn't operate like our universe and is directly parallel our own, but not another dimension entirely. If it was, humans, being mere 3D creatures, shouldn't be able to cross it without dire consequences.


Contact Harvest refers to slipspace as another dimension.

Third, there is nothing outside the galaxy. A photon only realm such as the Glow can't exist in between galaxies. It'd be glowing bright, not pitch black.

Everything right there, unless I somehow missed something, was assumption.


I'm glad you have an absolute definition of the Halo universe with real world physics, unfortunately it's not applicable to fiction.


Just read 100. It does not say they are the same thing. It says

(pg 100)

"We have explored other realities, other spaces--Slipspace, denial of locale, shunspace, trick geodetics, natal void, the photon only realm called the Glow.

(101)

"But the vastness between suns is great and mysterious in a very different way"

He's referring to the simplicity of traveling between stars compared to the mysteries of the other realms, not defining the realms. He says interstellar space is indeed mysterious in its own ways simply because they do not travel through them but past them.

I'm glad you have an absolute definition of the Halo universe with real world physics, unfortunately it's not applicable to fiction

wat.

Halo uses real world physics. In Halo 3, did you ever see the area around the Ark glowing so bright it was impossible to look at?

I......don't see your point.

In fact: "The Didact was deep in study of the system's trace in the photonic realm of the Glow, which might reveal even more evidence of what happened here." (Pg. 108)

If this was extragalactic space, it should reveal nothing about a planet inside the galaxy.

@grey101

can I have a page number where it says this?

[Edited on 02.05.2011 3:25 PM PST]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
For one, no where in the book does it say that. There is no definition other then "other spaces, other realities" for any of the alternate planes Foreunners explored.


Page 100 of Cryptum.

Second, there is a difference between universes and dimension you don't seem to realize.

Dimension is like the third dimension we live on, time being the 4th and so on up to at least 11. An alternate dimension would be inconceivable to humans or any other 3D creature.

Another universe is what slipspace is, as are the other ones. It doesn't operate like our universe and is directly parallel our own, but not another dimension entirely. If it was, humans, being mere 3D creatures, shouldn't be able to cross it without dire consequences.


Contact Harvest refers to slipspace as another dimension.

Third, there is nothing outside the galaxy. A photon only realm such as the Glow can't exist in between galaxies. It'd be glowing bright, not pitch black.

Everything right there, unless I somehow missed something, was assumption.


I'm glad you have an absolute definition of the Halo universe with real world physics, unfortunately it's not applicable to fiction.


Just read 100. It does not say they are the same thing. It says

(pg 100)

"We have explored other realities, other spaces--Slipspace, denial of locale, shunspace, trick geodetics, natal void, the photon only realm called the Glow.

(101)

"But the vastness between suns is great and mysterious in a very different way"

He's referring to the simplicity of traveling between stars compared to the mysteries of the other realms, not defining the realms. He says interstellar space is indeed mysterious in its own ways simply because they do not travel through them but past them.

I'm glad you have an absolute definition of the Halo universe with real world physics, unfortunately it's not applicable to fiction

wat.

Halo uses real world physics. In Halo 3, did you ever see the area around the Ark glowing so bright it was impossible to look at?

I......don't see your point.

@grey101

can I have a page number where it says this?



His point is not everything can be explained for a fictional races eons ahead of us by using our current limited knowledge and awareness.

I Don't have a number becuase i don't have the book (it's just halopedia in hardback) but i do remember talking about it in this thread

opog says it in the 11th post and it appears alot during the thread.

I have seen scans but i dont have the book.

  • 02.05.2011 3:30 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
For one, no where in the book does it say that. There is no definition other then "other spaces, other realities" for any of the alternate planes Foreunners explored.


Page 100 of Cryptum.

Second, there is a difference between universes and dimension you don't seem to realize.

Dimension is like the third dimension we live on, time being the 4th and so on up to at least 11. An alternate dimension would be inconceivable to humans or any other 3D creature.

Another universe is what slipspace is, as are the other ones. It doesn't operate like our universe and is directly parallel our own, but not another dimension entirely. If it was, humans, being mere 3D creatures, shouldn't be able to cross it without dire consequences.


Contact Harvest refers to slipspace as another dimension.

Third, there is nothing outside the galaxy. A photon only realm such as the Glow can't exist in between galaxies. It'd be glowing bright, not pitch black.

Everything right there, unless I somehow missed something, was assumption.


I'm glad you have an absolute definition of the Halo universe with real world physics, unfortunately it's not applicable to fiction.


Just read 100. It does not say they are the same thing. It says

(pg 100)

"We have explored other realities, other spaces--Slipspace, denial of locale, shunspace, trick geodetics, natal void, the photon only realm called the Glow.

(101)

"But the vastness between suns is great and mysterious in a very different way"

He's referring to the simplicity of traveling between stars compared to the mysteries of the other realms, not defining the realms. He says interstellar space is indeed mysterious in its own ways simply because they do not travel through them but past them.

I'm glad you have an absolute definition of the Halo universe with real world physics, unfortunately it's not applicable to fiction

wat.

Halo uses real world physics. In Halo 3, did you ever see the area around the Ark glowing so bright it was impossible to look at?

I......don't see your point.

@grey101

can I have a page number where it says this?



His point is not everything can be explained for a fictional races eons ahead of us by using our current limited knowledge and awareness.

I Don't have a number becuase i don't have the book (it's just halopedia in hardback) but i do remember talking about it in this thread

opog says it in the 11th post and it appears alot during the thread.

I have seen scans but i dont have the book.


Think about it logically. They would not have survived if it was just the Orion Arm; Halo would have killed them all. Besides, I just read the entire Forerunner chapter in the book, and I don't see mention of the Orion Arm.

And he's referring too the intergalactic space, not the Forerunner technology. At least that's what I'm referring too. Assuming he and I are on the same page, he claims the space between galaxies is the photon real called the Glow. First off, it never says that in the book; actually the opposite. Second, the space between galaxies is pitch black, not glowing bright.

  • 02.05.2011 3:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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@ROBERTO the forerunners left AFTER halo was fired.

  • 02.05.2011 3:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: ajw34307
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The Legendary planet is could be Charum Hakkor?


Charum Hakkor was:
A) Not a Forerunner planet.
B) In the Milky Way, the Legendary Planet is not.


And you know that it's a Forerunner planet in the ending... How?

And you know that the planet isn't in the Milky Way... How?

  • 02.05.2011 4:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: ajw34307
A) The symbols on the surface are Forerunner Glyphs.

The Covenant adopted (and stylized) the Forerunner symbols. Wouldn't it make sense for the Forerunners to have adopted it from the Precursors in a similar way?

  • 02.05.2011 4:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
The Legendary planet is could be Charum Hakkor?


Charum Hakkor was:
A) Not a Forerunner planet.
B) In the Milky Way, the Legendary Planet is not.


And you know that it's a Forerunner planet in the ending... How?


If Bias is sending John to the Forerunners, the planet is obviously going to be Forerunner - possibly created by the Builders.

The LP has the "Shield and Sword" Glyph on it, it identifies the Halo Installations and Shield Worlds - it is a Glyph of Forerunner origin.

And you know that the planet isn't in the Milky Way... How?

Allow me to correct myself there, it's not in the Orion Arm of the Milky Way.

  • 02.05.2011 4:46 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

It's Marathon-Mars.

  • 02.05.2011 5:01 PM PDT
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It's a planet with Forerunner stuff on it. Therefore, it is a Forerunner planet.

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Posted by: FleetAdmiralBob
It's a planet with Forerunner stuff on it. Therefore, it is a Forerunner planet.

Or it could be Precursor. We never actually saw anything but lights.

  • 02.05.2011 6:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: FleetAdmiralBob
It's a planet with Forerunner stuff on it. Therefore, it is a Forerunner planet.

Or it could be Precursor. We never actually saw anything but lights.


Shield and Sword glyph = Forerunner.

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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: The Sizzler
Posted by: FleetAdmiralBob
It's a planet with Forerunner stuff on it. Therefore, it is a Forerunner planet.

Or it could be Precursor. We never actually saw anything but lights.


Shield and Sword glyph = Forerunner.

Or it could be Covenant since the Covenant use Forerunner glyphs too. It's not far fetched to think that the Forerunners, who revered the Precursors, also adopted their (written) language.

  • 02.05.2011 6:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: The Sizzler
Posted by: FleetAdmiralBob
It's a planet with Forerunner stuff on it. Therefore, it is a Forerunner planet.

Or it could be Precursor. We never actually saw anything but lights.


Shield and Sword glyph = Forerunner.

Or it could be Covenant since the Covenant use Forerunner glyphs too. It's not far fetched to think that the Forerunners, who revered the Precursors, also adopted their (written) language.


The Shield and Sword Glyph is used to identify Halo installations and Shield Worlds, why would the Precursors have used it when they were around before Faber sanctioned the creation of the Halos?

  • 02.05.2011 7:03 PM PDT

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I think the Legendary Planet might be a Glassed human world, or a Shield World.

  • 02.05.2011 7:31 PM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: SoApS pistol
I think the Legendary Planet might be a Glassed human world, or a Shield World.


Does it looks glassed to you?Where is the molten surface and fire?

All i see is a surface covered by vast citys jsut like Coruscant,it's hardly glassed.

  • 02.06.2011 4:14 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101
@ROBERTO the forerunners left AFTER halo was fired.


We know that the Halo Array spanned the entire galaxy. We also know from Cryptum the Forerunner Eccumene (or Empire) spanned the entire galaxy, with 3million worlds. Just leaving the Orion Arm would be no different then a buisness trip to the other side of the Milky Way.

Then consider Bornsteller is worried they traveled too a different galaxy when he sees the Milky Way at the Ark "I hoped our galaxy, and not another." Indicating right there it was a possibility he could have traveled to another galaxy with Forerunner technology.

  • 02.06.2011 7:53 AM PDT
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Some can come away from reading "War and Peace" thinking it a simple adventure story, while others can read the ingredients on a gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe.

This thread is a bunch of pointless and childish arguing.


1. It is stated through a variety of sources i'm not going to bother listening, that the surviving Forerunners left the Galaxy. We don't know exactly why, but only that is has to do with the Precursors and a Great Journey, which alter became misinterpreted by the Covenant.

2. The Glow that is mentioned is another dimension just like slipspace. Same with the others listed.

3. We don't know what the Legendary planet is yet. At all.

  • 02.06.2011 12:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: SoApS pistol
I think the Legendary Planet might be a Glassed human world, or a Shield World.


Does it looks glassed to you?Where is the molten surface and fire?

All i see is a surface covered by vast citys jsut like Coruscant,it's hardly glassed.


A world on the fringe of human controlled space that was glassed 15 years ago would not have fire, it would have weird marks and scars on it. Speaking of scars and forerunner ruins (in this case Precursor) perhaps it was Charuum Hakkor.

  • 02.06.2011 1:06 PM PDT

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I run out of ammo so I pull a plasma and destroy ya
Outta grenades and ammo but I got fists to punch ya!

That's How I will destroy you in Reach!

legendary Planet is Earth cuz the portal screwed up and MC time-traveled like 12 billion years into da future.

  • 02.06.2011 2:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: RDSAMSACS
legendary Planet is Earth cuz the portal screwed up and MC time-traveled like 12 billion years into da future.


-_-

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