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Subject: Fiction Inaccuracies

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Poll: Fiction Inaccuracies  [closed]
Needs this to be corrected in order to sleep!:  6%
(1 Votes)
I really really wish they'd get this straight.:  69%
(11 Votes)
Its a game for real were having this conversation!:  0%
(0 Votes)
No the inaccuracy adds to the mythicness of it:  0%
(0 Votes)
I have a bigger problem with the Moa:  19%
(3 Votes)
Thats what you get for serialized fiction.:  6%
(1 Votes)
Total Votes: 16

Did anyone else already make this post since im late getting to the party? but did anyone else who ready first strike or ghosts of onyx seem perplexed by the story line of reach including encounters between Halsey and the Spartan III team but in Ghosts of onxy she is in the process of discovering the S-III program and eventually re-meets Kurt. also what happens to jun since kelly is Halsey escort after escaping reach by hiding in her secret underground bunker with a handful of Spartan II's that when freed by the master chief on his way back to earth before the events at the beginning of Halo 2, including during first strike Halsey is in the bunker and then with the spartans and then escapes with only kelly and then in the cronology of the cannon wont learn about jun carter kat emile or 6 until long after the fall of reach when she discovers Ackersons secret program using similar resources which leads her to meet Kurt tom Lucy and the remaining members of Blue team. Anyone wanna take a stab at any of those? Also i assumed at the end of ghosts of onyx that they had teleported to the Arc which was mentioned at the end of halo 2, but the master chief blew up the Arc at the end of halo 3 so lets hope that wasnt the destination the onyx city teleported takes them too. i really was prepared back in 2007 when they anounced 4 player co-op i thought youd reunite with blue team at the Arc, so since that didnt happen, anyone with more info wanna tackle that and anyone with no info but a love of halo wants to speculate on it have at it too. cant wait to see and be part of the response.

  • 02.07.2011 12:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: T3K P1PES
Did anyone else already make this post since im late getting to the party? but did anyone else who ready first strike or ghosts of onyx seem perplexed by the story line of reach including encounters between Halsey and the Spartan III team but in Ghosts of onxy she is in the process of discovering the S-III program and eventually re-meets Kurt. also what happens to jun since kelly is Halsey escort after escaping reach by hiding in her secret underground bunker with a handful of Spartan II's that when freed by the master chief on his way back to earth before the events at the beginning of Halo 2, including during first strike Halsey is in the bunker and then with the spartans and then escapes with only kelly and then in the cronology of the cannon wont learn about jun carter kat emile or 6 until long after the fall of reach when she discovers Ackersons secret program using similar resources which leads her to meet Kurt tom Lucy and the remaining members of Blue team. Anyone wanna take a stab at any of those? Also i assumed at the end of ghosts of onyx that they had teleported to the Arc which was mentioned at the end of halo 2, but the master chief blew up the Arc at the end of halo 3 so lets hope that wasnt the destination the onyx city teleported takes them too. i really was prepared back in 2007 when they anounced 4 player co-op i thought youd reunite with blue team at the Arc, so since that didnt happen, anyone with more info wanna tackle that and anyone with no info but a love of halo wants to speculate on it have at it too. cant wait to see and be part of the response.


Halsey mentions the Spartans "odd" in one of the datapads, I think. I'm not sure, but I know she's intrigued by their customized armor and the fact she only knew Jorge. I'd imagine that curiosity is what leads her to the data on Ackerson's project, which leads to Onyx, etc.

The Portal on Onyx transported them to a Micro Dyson Sphere (an area of compressed reality) inside the core of Onyx, it's mentioned as being a few meters wide on the outside while many thousands of kilometers on the inside.

  • 02.07.2011 1:48 AM PDT
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Posted by: Panzeereapa
Halsey mentions the Spartans "odd" in one of the datapads, I think. I'm not sure, but I know she's intrigued by their customized armor and the fact she only knew Jorge. I'd imagine that curiosity is what leads her to the data on Ackerson's project, which leads to Onyx, etc.
I believe in her Journal, she says that "there's something about them, they wear MJOLNIR and are definitely Augmented, but they aren't hers." Or, something along those lines.

Also, OP, it's a bit of an old link to make (or lack of a link); and I believe you have posted the same version of this thread, but without the poll.
You don't need a poll, so don't make a new thread for one.

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I suggest putting paragraphs in before someone mentions China...

Anyway, I believe in her journal, Halsey mentions the Spartans are different and certainly not S-II, but she doesn't know exactly what yet. In First Strike, she finds out for sure everything about them.

  • 02.07.2011 2:02 AM PDT

I think they should say Halo Reach is non-Canon. Replace a good book with a crap story, Bungie? Bo-way. And the Journal doesn't really help. I view it as a last ditch effort to make Reach fit into the Canon, because they forgot about the books. :P

[Edited on 02.07.2011 6:06 AM PST]

  • 02.07.2011 6:04 AM PDT


Posted by: GrnDragn
I think they should say Halo Reach is non-Canon. Replace a good book with a crap story, Bungie? Bo-way. And the Journal doesn't really help. I view it as a last ditch effort to make Reach fit into the Canon, because they forgot about the books. :P


reach=main canon, books = optional canon. how do people not get this? its not complicated!

  • 02.07.2011 6:14 AM PDT

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I suggest putting paragraphs in before someone mentions China...
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Posted by: brpoll

Posted by: GrnDragn
I think they should say Halo Reach is non-Canon. Replace a good book with a crap story, Bungie? Bo-way. And the Journal doesn't really help. I view it as a last ditch effort to make Reach fit into the Canon, because they forgot about the books. :P


reach=main canon, books = optional canon. how do people not get this? its not complicated!

Books = followed THSB
Reach = Broke previous canon

h0q do ppl not get dis? itz nawt complicaet!

  • 02.07.2011 6:28 AM PDT

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Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

Just goes to show that the only people who prefer the game canon are the ones who never gave the EU a chance to begin with.

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The Halo Reach story was horrible,i would pick Nylunds books any day.

  • 02.07.2011 8:08 AM PDT

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Posted by: brpoll
Posted by: GrnDragn
I think they should say Halo Reach is non-Canon. Replace a good book with a crap story, Bungie? Bo-way. And the Journal doesn't really help. I view it as a last ditch effort to make Reach fit into the Canon, because they forgot about the books. :P


reach=main canon, books = optional canon. how do people not get this? its not complicated!


Reach did not adhere to the Halo Story Bible, the novels did, Reach is essentially non-canon.

  • 02.07.2011 8:18 AM PDT

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It's ok for me when Bungie or in this case 343 do some changes but only if they explain WHY!

That's all I ask!

  • 02.07.2011 8:28 AM PDT

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Just goes to show that the only people who prefer the game canon are the ones who never gave the EU a chance to begin with.

Or who can't read

  • 02.07.2011 8:55 AM PDT

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I created the post i enjoy the cannon over most of the games, i think they match better then a lot of you do I gave and give the EU a chance (good luck euro) and i didnt make it in paragraph form cause i wanst writing an essay or asking for editing, it was simply a rambling runnon stream of ideas, that i left out for others to run with, and i enjoy the trip most offer. Also I have 2 posts one with the poll and one without, the initial one had the poll, and then i realized that the poll replaced the title, and ive had that happen before so i simply made a second post minus the poll and left them both to be aptly applied to the free time we have to waste here

  • 02.07.2011 9:05 AM PDT

:P

343 better do a better job at maintaining their canon. . .

  • 02.07.2011 11:31 AM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: brpoll
Posted by: GrnDragn
I think they should say Halo Reach is non-Canon. Replace a good book with a crap story, Bungie? Bo-way. And the Journal doesn't really help. I view it as a last ditch effort to make Reach fit into the Canon, because they forgot about the books. :P


reach=main canon, books = optional canon. how do people not get this? its not complicated!


Reach did not adhere to the Halo Story Bible, the novels did, Reach is essentially non-canon.


BAHAHA, what the hell dude, have you ever seen the Halo Story Bible? I never have, you don't know what adheres to it or doesn't, that comments was just to funny. The Halo Story Bible is whatever direction Bungie takes the story.

And the difficulties in the canon currently are no where near so bad that either TFoR or Reach must be rendered non-canon. And besides, according to Bungie and their ranking of canon new material outranks old material, but the two can coexist, a few minor tweaks need to be made it's all good again, neither one needs to be non-canon for the other to be canon.

  • 02.07.2011 1:06 PM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: brpoll
Posted by: GrnDragn
I think they should say Halo Reach is non-Canon. Replace a good book with a crap story, Bungie? Bo-way. And the Journal doesn't really help. I view it as a last ditch effort to make Reach fit into the Canon, because they forgot about the books. :P


reach=main canon, books = optional canon. how do people not get this? its not complicated!


Reach did not adhere to the Halo Story Bible, the novels did, Reach is essentially non-canon.


BAHAHA, what the hell dude, have you ever seen the Halo Story Bible? I never have, you don't know what adheres to it or doesn't, that comments was just to funny. The Halo Story Bible is whatever direction Bungie takes the story.

And the difficulties in the canon currently are no where near so bad that either TFoR or Reach must be rendered non-canon. And besides, according to Bungie and their ranking of canon new material outranks old material, but the two can coexist, a few minor tweaks need to be made it's all good again, neither one needs to be non-canon for the other to be canon.


Bungie doesn't decide Canon, 343 does. And even they said that the Fall of Reach fit perfectly within the Halo Story Bible, because Eric Nylind was given the first "draft" of the HSB to use as a source. Bungie and 343 have declared TFoR Canon. So no, you are wrong. The Fall of Reach is Canon, and Bumgie can't change that because they are no longer the owners of the franchise.

And they can't co-exist, because there are so many things in the game that, if not Canon-breaking, are borderline stupid. We've argued this time and time again.

  • 02.07.2011 2:49 PM PDT

There are literally something like 1000 threads about this on the front page of this forum.

  • 02.07.2011 3:35 PM PDT


Posted by: GrnDragn

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: brpoll
Posted by: GrnDragn
I think they should say Halo Reach is non-Canon. Replace a good book with a crap story, Bungie? Bo-way. And the Journal doesn't really help. I view it as a last ditch effort to make Reach fit into the Canon, because they forgot about the books. :P


reach=main canon, books = optional canon. how do people not get this? its not complicated!


Reach did not adhere to the Halo Story Bible, the novels did, Reach is essentially non-canon.


BAHAHA, what the hell dude, have you ever seen the Halo Story Bible? I never have, you don't know what adheres to it or doesn't, that comments was just to funny. The Halo Story Bible is whatever direction Bungie takes the story.

And the difficulties in the canon currently are no where near so bad that either TFoR or Reach must be rendered non-canon. And besides, according to Bungie and their ranking of canon new material outranks old material, but the two can coexist, a few minor tweaks need to be made it's all good again, neither one needs to be non-canon for the other to be canon.


Bungie doesn't decide Canon, 343 does. And even they said that the Fall of Reach fit perfectly within the Halo Story Bible, because Eric Nylind was given the first "draft" of the HSB to use as a source. Bungie and 343 have declared TFoR Canon. So no, you are wrong. The Fall of Reach is Canon, and Bumgie can't change that because they are no longer the owners of the franchise.

And they can't co-exist, because there are so many things in the game that, if not Canon-breaking, are borderline stupid. We've argued this time and time again.


I know that 343 are the Halo Gods and the Powers That Be now, I haven't adjusted my vocabulary to fit yet. And anyway 343 and Bungie might as well be the same, seeing as the heads of 343 are ex-Bungie guys, I know Frank O'Connor is the head of 343, and he's one of the guys that pretty much created Halo.
The Halo Bible is probably not as fleshed out as you seem to think it is, it sounds to me like what one could call author's notes, it may have mostly full stories in it, it may not, the public at large will never know unless whoever holds power over the Halo Bible releases it.

They can co-exist, and they do, even if you don't think they fit, Bungie/343 have declared both canon. And if you actually think about the gaps in the two stories logically you can find many ways to match them up. And stupidity does not render something non-canon, whatever your thoughts are on what is stupid or not, it just means you think it is stupid. Like me, I think the Star Wars Prequels are full of stupidity by the characters, yet I accept that they're canon no matter how much I dislike them and think the actions by the characters are stupid.

  • 02.08.2011 1:00 PM PDT




Posted by: GrnDragn

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: brpoll
Posted by: GrnDragn
I think they should say Halo Reach is non-Canon. Replace a good book with a crap story, Bungie? Bo-way. And the Journal doesn't really help. I view it as a last ditch effort to make Reach fit into the Canon, because they forgot about the books. :P[/quote]

reach=main canon, books = optional canon. how do people not get this? its not complicated!


Reach did not adhere to the Halo Story Bible, the novels did, Reach is essentially non-canon.


BAHAHA, what the hell dude, have you ever seen the Halo Story Bible? I never have, you don't know what adheres to it or doesn't, that comments was just to funny. The Halo Story Bible is whatever direction Bungie takes the story.

And the difficulties in the canon currently are no where near so bad that either TFoR or Reach must be rendered non-canon. And besides, according to Bungie and their ranking of canon new material outranks old material, but the two can coexist, a few minor tweaks need to be made it's all good again, neither one needs to be non-canon for the other to be canon.


Bungie doesn't decide Canon, 343 does. And even they said that the Fall of Reach fit perfectly within the Halo Story Bible, because Eric Nylind was given the first "draft" of the HSB to use as a source. Bungie and 343 have declared TFoR Canon. So no, you are wrong. The Fall of Reach is Canon, and Bumgie can't change that because they are no longer the owners of the franchise.

And they can't co-exist, because there are so many things in the game that, if not Canon-breaking, are borderline stupid. We've argued this time and time again.


I know that 343 are the Halo Gods and the Powers That Be now, I haven't adjusted my vocabulary to fit yet. And anyway 343 and Bungie might as well be the same, seeing as the heads of 343 are ex-Bungie guys, I know Frank O'Connor is the head of 343, and he's one of the guys that pretty much created Halo.
The Halo Bible is probably not as fleshed out as you seem to think it is, it sounds to me like what one could call author's notes, it may have mostly full stories in it, it may not, the public at large will never know unless whoever holds power over the Halo Bible releases it.

They can co-exist, and they do, even if you don't think they fit, Bungie/343 have declared both canon. And if you actually think about the gaps in the two stories logically you can find many ways to match them up. And stupidity does not render something non-canon, whatever your thoughts are on what is stupid or not, it just means you think it is stupid. Like me, I think the Star Wars Prequels are full of stupidity by the characters, yet I accept that they're canon no matter how much I dislike them and think the actions by the characters are stupid.
most fans dont want to belive that the noble side story on reach is cannon.

  • 02.08.2011 1:24 PM PDT

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um guys in the pre release months to halo reach there were interviews with eric nylund and he is now head of creative design or some title along those lines, he wrote the book not the bible and helped work on the story of reach so everyone saying that reach is completely against the halo bible, i dont care about the halo bible, i dont have a copy so i cant use it. but i do have a copy of everything else and eric nylund wrote the book and directed the same game that you guys say completely contradict each other. i made this post so i started this fight and now know that i was a way bigger fan boy then i thought,even every problem i have with the cannon can be easily tweaked to make sense or work within the fiction. and i think they did a great job and anything that needs improvement other then the beam rifles replacement with the focus beam is minor.

  • 02.08.2011 1:33 PM PDT