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Subject: Halsey, her S-II's, and Ackersons S-III's

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Did anyone else already make this post since im late getting to the party? but did anyone else who ready first strike or ghosts of onyx seem perplexed by the story line of reach including encounters between Halsey and the Spartan III team but in Ghosts of onxy she is in the process of discovering the S-III program and eventually re-meets Kurt. also what happens to jun since kelly is Halsey escort after escaping reach by hiding in her secret underground bunker with a handful of Spartan II's that when freed by the master chief on his way back to earth before the events at the beginning of Halo 2, including during first strike Halsey is in the bunker and then with the spartans and then escapes with only kelly and then in the cronology of the cannon wont learn about jun carter kat emile or 6 until long after the fall of reach when she discovers Ackersons secret program using similar resources which leads her to meet Kurt tom Lucy and the remaining members of Blue team. Anyone wanna take a stab at any of those? Also i assumed at the end of ghosts of onyx that they had teleported to the Arc which was mentioned at the end of halo 2, but the master chief blew up the Arc at the end of halo 3 so lets hope that wasnt the destination the onyx city teleported takes them too. i really was prepared back in 2007 when they anounced 4 player co-op i thought youd reunite with blue team at the Arc, so since that didnt happen, anyone with more info wanna tackle that and anyone with no info but a love of halo wants to speculate on it have at it too. cant wait to see and be part of the response

  • 02.07.2011 1:17 AM PDT

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for example the spartan III SPI armor is almost always in a chameleon like state of transparency and has absolutely no shields. and that all but a handful of S-IIIs are dead in their previous i=engagements in addition to the ones that die in the process of getting to the teleporter at the bottom of Onyx city

  • 02.07.2011 1:24 AM PDT

Can't we all just get along?

The portal in the centre of Onyx didn't teleport them away from the planet, it placed them in a Micro Dyson phere and altered their perception (and size, I'm guessing) so inside the sphere it seemed to them as if it was 150,000,000 km in diameter.

Noble team have better armour because they are handpicked and it was determined it was worth spending the extra money to get the armour for them so they could do better things.

  • 02.07.2011 1:41 AM PDT

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i like the dyson sphere concept, but im not on board with the S-IIIs, you clearly read Onyx how is it justified that halsey meet Noble team but then was surprised to discover Ackersons secret program, and seemed to have no knowledge at that point of the S-IIIs.

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Posted by: T3K P1PES
i like the dyson sphere concept, but im not on board with the S-IIIs, you clearly read Onyx how is it justified that halsey meet Noble team but then was surprised to discover Ackersons secret program, and seemed to have no knowledge at that point of the S-IIIs.


To her knowledge, Noble was secret SPARTAN-IIs, a Class III of SPARTAN-IIs she'd never heard about (and never existed). They were wearing Mark V MJOLNIR, and operated with Jorge, an SII Halsey did know. She was curious about their armor afterwards, but had no reason to suspect otherwise.

  • 02.07.2011 1:53 AM PDT

Hey.

I think she knows Noble are not HER Spartans, as in her journal she mentions her suspicions of someone using her research for an inferior version of her S-II program, and she even goes as far as to hypothesize that Noble may be from a parallel program (such as Javelin) that has piggy-backed on her work from the last three decades. She even goes as far to mention in her journal that Mendez, a major part of the S-II program is still missing, whereabouts unknown to her.

But for her to extrapolate from this data that Mendez and someone (Ackerson) have created a new generation of Spartan IIIs, on Onyx of all places, and having done so without her attention is a stretch, even for Halsey's mind, hence her surprise at finding a company of S-IIIs at Onyx and a "dead" Spartan. I mean, even if she hadn't just escaped Reach and then had to hi-jack a ship to reach Onyx I don't think she would have had time to piece this together.

It just goes to show ONI's capabilities of compartmentilisation of sensitive information, being able to hide such information from Halsey such as this, when she is able to find damn near anything that ONI does.

DJCN094

  • 02.07.2011 1:56 AM PDT

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I need to read up more on those data pads, i think there were ten of them when i checked them out last, and that was quite a while ago, so i could imagine that more have been found and i could find some answers of these fun mind exercises there

  • 02.07.2011 1:56 AM PDT

Hey.

You may want to pick up the limited edition of Reach as well, the journal included is a major insight to Halsey's life and projects, as well as fitting in nicely with the fiction.

DJCN094

  • 02.07.2011 1:59 AM PDT

Seriously Oak, Ive been doing this -blam!- for 16 years, gimmie my Friggen starter Pokemon and dont call me till im the champion! ¬_¬

see, im mainly confused as to how Carter, Emile and Six are alive, since they were from alpha, and alpha was wiped out in the prolouge of ghost's of onyx (im pretty sure it was them)

But there is a strong theme of Halsey and the S-III's in reach, just that scene in Sword Base where Jorge is humbled in her presences, but Carter couldnt give 2 shots :P

And the journal was good, it helped tie things together but theres still alot of unanswered questions

Speaking of which, inb4 someone says "Jun went back and saved 6"

  • 02.07.2011 4:42 AM PDT

Kurt hand picked a group of spartans that had S-II traits. He used them for normal spartan missions instead of suicide spartan missions, and had them equipped with Mjolnir armor to help them out. This is noble team.

http://www.bungie.net/projects/reach/article.aspx?ucc=personn el&cid=24040

[Edited on 02.07.2011 5:09 AM PST]

  • 02.07.2011 5:07 AM PDT

Hey.

But there is a strong theme of Halsey and the S-III's in reach, just that scene in Sword Base where Jorge is humbled in her presences, but Carter couldnt give 2 shots

Jorge was an S-II, hence the Halsey love-in.
Carter is one of Ackerson's troops, hence the indifference. Halsey and Ackerson were rivals, so maybe Carter wasn't a big fan of his project's nemesis, like Major Silvia of the ODSTs and John-117 in The Flood. Or maybe Carter didn't have the background with Halsey as Jorge does.

Either way, we now know that Jorge, the legend that he is, prefers older women. Case closed ;)

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  • 02.07.2011 7:04 AM PDT
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He didn't seem to be in love with Halsey, would you be in love with someone you call "mom?"

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it was ma'm just sounded like mom

  • 02.07.2011 2:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: Caaaarrrl
He didn't seem to be in love with Halsey, would you be in love with someone you call "mom?"


Urgh, he said "ma'am", not "mom". It's how we Brits pronounce it.

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Posted by: Caaaarrrl
He didn't seem to be in love with Halsey, would you be in love with someone you call "mom?"


Urgh, he said "ma'am", not "mom". It's how we Brits pronounce it.


Oh, sorry!

  • 02.07.2011 2:30 PM PDT

Posted by: Caaaarrrl
He didn't seem to be in love with Halsey, would you be in love with someone you call "mom?"


He meant it figuratively, not literally.

  • 02.07.2011 3:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: Caaaarrrl
He didn't seem to be in love with Halsey, would you be in love with someone you call "mom?"


He meant it figuratively, not literally.


I already apologized for my misunderstanding of the post.

  • 02.07.2011 3:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: drake3011
see, im mainly confused as to how Carter, Emile and Six are alive, since they were from alpha, and alpha was wiped out in the prolouge of ghost's of onyx (im pretty sure it was them)


Actually, Six was part of Beta Company. Jun was Alpha Company.

Only reason they weren't killed in their respective operations was because, as pointed out before, they had the traits of an S-II and were pulled out. Why waste valuable resources on a suicide mission when you can put 'em to better use elsewhere?

Also, it was Beta that got wiped out in the prologue of GoO.

  • 02.07.2011 3:52 PM PDT

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Im glad to see were all having a good time here, i really enjoy reading the conversation. And yes the prologue of GoO is the suicide attack by beta company. after that they immediately jump to explain kurt and the predecessor to beta company.

  • 02.07.2011 4:00 PM PDT

Hey.


Posted by: Caaaarrrl
He didn't seem to be in love with Halsey, would you be in love with someone you call "mom?"

By the way, "love-in" was a figure of speech. I don't think Jorge fancies Halsey, which is a good thing.

She's mine ;)

DJCN094

  • 02.08.2011 8:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: Caaaarrrl
He didn't seem to be in love with Halsey, would you be in love with someone you call "mom?"

Ma'am.

  • 02.08.2011 8:39 AM PDT


Posted by: progr3550r
The portal in the centre of Onyx didn't teleport them away from the planet, it placed them in a Micro Dyson phere and altered their perception (and size, I'm guessing) so inside the sphere it seemed to them as if it was 150,000,000 km in diameter.

Noble team have better armour because they are handpicked and it was determined it was worth spending the extra money to get the armour for them so they could do better things.

Actualy, the dyson sphere is actualy 150 million km in diameter, but it is hidden in slipspace, in a bubble of compressed dimentionality at the center of onyx, like a Tardis.

I don't know where you got your info from?

  • 02.08.2011 9:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: drake3011
see, im mainly confused as to how Carter, Emile and Six are alive, since they were from alpha, and alpha was wiped out in the prolouge of ghost's of onyx (im pretty sure it was them)


Actually, Six was part of Beta Company. Jun was Alpha Company.

Only reason they weren't killed in their respective operations was because, as pointed out before, they had the traits of an S-II and were pulled out. Why waste valuable resources on a suicide mission when you can put 'em to better use elsewhere?

Also, it was Beta that got wiped out in the prologue of GoO.


Ah, that makes sense, dosnt Jorge say to him "I didnt think anyone survived PEGASUS (was it operation PEGASUS or TREBUCHET?)

Either way, i looked over it every time untill know :P

  • 02.08.2011 9:41 AM PDT

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Trebuchet was the operation against the innies that Ponder, Johnson and Byrne participated in before being auspiciously re assigned to a colonial militia on harvest, which was a secret plan to prep the small colony for a worst case scenario of a full scale insurrectionist operation stealing entire ships. That wasnt what was waiting for them, but it seemed to be a good idea that they sent their most advanced counterforce team they had operating in the field at that time.

  • 02.08.2011 1:23 PM PDT

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Its a major inconsistency. Halsey is smart, so I think it would be unfair to think she didnt consider these factors when she met Noble Team;

-They are younger
-They are much smaller than Spartan-IIs

And with her knowledge of Auntie Dot and her skills with AI, surely she knew exactly who and what they were.

  • 02.08.2011 1:28 PM PDT

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