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Posted by: Coux73
And the amount of corners in Halo just keeps increasing with every game. Or am I just being nostalgic?

:)

(I love this post btw)


In all seriousness, you're not just being nostalgic.

  • 02.07.2011 3:41 PM PDT

Posted by: Lord Bryne
Okay, it's obvious that armor abilities like armor lock are a crutch for the nooby, extending their lives by pressing a button, but I'd like to draw attention to a much more nooby feature of Reach:

CORNERS

I would dearly like someone to explain to me what the heck Bungie was thinking when they decided to put these in the game. They have to be the biggest crutch for the cowardly that I have ever seen. I can barely count the number of times that I've been screwed over by a noob/camper that used a corner. It's like every time I'm about to kill someone, they just have to push their joystick in the general direction of a corner, and suddenly they can live. And even if I try to follow them to finish off the kill, they throw a grenade on the ground at the corner, and I either have to back off and let them get away or keep going and risk getting hit by the grenade and then subsequently headshotted. This is pure cowardice. I could out-DMR the crap out of them, get them to one shot while barely taking a hit, yet it doesn't matter, because they're at a corner. All I can really do is spam grenades at them and hope to get lucky, and even that isn't an ideal use for my grenades.

Why corners are overpowered

Advantages of a corner include:

1. Semi-invulnerability. All you have to do is sit right by the corner, and when you're getting shot from one side, you move to the other and BAM! you're safe.

2. Escape routes. If you're fighting a losing battle, run to a corner and you'll have perfect cover to get away entirely. Throw a grenade at the corner to make sure no one can pursue you.

3. Concealment. No one can see you around a corner, so all you have to do is wait there and watch your radar, ambush whoever

4. Minimal exposure. When you're at a corner, you have far fewer directions to worry about than you would otherwise, as the number of sightlines that threaten your position are significantly reduced.

There are no disadvantages to using a corner.

Now this wouldn't be such a huge problem if any of the above advantages required skill to utilize them, but they don't require any skill whatsoever. You simply have to be at the corner to gain all the advantages.

Why corners should be removed

Corners slow down gameplay far more than anything else ever could. Imagine how fast a team slayer game would go if there were no corners to hide behind. Armor lock doesn't even come close, and at least it has SOME disadvantages... Not to mention, as I said before, you don't need to be skilled to receive the advantages a corner offers, you simply have to push your joystick towards them and it all falls into your lap. They also encourage camping, which of course is also a huge detriment to gameplay. Seriously, what better reason could you find to sit in just one specific spot than the advantage a corner offers?

I'm sure people are thinking "If both you and your opponent can use a corner, then what's the problem?" The very fact that you HAVE to resort to using a corner in order to succeed is, in itself, a flaw, but beyond that, there is absolutely no guarantee that when you spawn, there'll be a corner available to you, and even if there is, you can either choose to be camper, or take a huge risk moving to a different corner to put yourself nearer the action. I guarantee that if corners were removed, the more skilled player would win far more often than they currently do, because no one could depend on these unbalanced abominations.

TL;DR: The bottom line is corners turn matchmaking into a crapfest, allowing anyone to survive a fight that they might lose, like true cowards and noobs. Anyone with a decent amount of skill would stay and kill or get killed.

If bungie doesn't release a title update soon that gives us slayer gametypes and maps with dmr-only, no melee damage, no armor ability, 3 shot kills in big alleyways with teams spawning at either end with nothing to hide behind and maybe some pretty decorations on the walls, I'm gonna snap my disc in half.

:P

You may notice that I posted this topic twice, and that's because, having not created many topics, I wasn't aware that the poll question would turn into the topic title...


This made my day.

  • 02.07.2011 3:42 PM PDT

Left here a long time ago.

Posted by: nobody6400 (post)
Giant square room with no walls or corners or camping places.

Posted by: nobody6400 (post)
Giant square room with no walls or corners

Posted by: nobody6400 (post)
square room with no walls or corners

  • 02.07.2011 3:45 PM PDT


Posted by: Lord Bryne
NO! You press a joystick instead. Obviously. How dare you insult my intellect?


There's just no arguing with a person who refuses to address the points made by his opposition.

Once again: You dumb.

  • 02.07.2011 3:58 PM PDT

Posted by: Broseidon

Posted by: Lord Bryne
NO! You press a joystick instead. Obviously. How dare you insult my intellect?


There's just no arguing with a person who refuses to address the points made by his opposition.

Once again: You dumb.

Ah, I guess I have no choice but to pull out the big guns... aka quoting the same paragraph that I quoted in my last response to you. :P

I'm sure people are thinking "If both you and your opponent can use a corner, then what's the problem?" The very fact that you HAVE to resort to using a corner in order to succeed is, in itself, a flaw, but beyond that, there is absolutely no guarantee that when you spawn, there'll be a corner available to you, and even if there is, you can either choose to be camper, or take a huge risk moving to a different corner to put yourself nearer the action.

Oh, and:

Posted by: DavidJCobb
Posted by: nobody6400 (post)
Giant square room with no walls or corners or camping places.

Posted by: nobody6400 (post)
Giant square room with no walls or corners

Posted by: nobody6400 (post)
square room with no walls or corners


ICwutUdidthere

[Edited on 02.07.2011 4:04 PM PST]

  • 02.07.2011 4:02 PM PDT
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wall of everlasting invincibility strikes again!!!

  • 02.07.2011 4:02 PM PDT

Disadvantage: you have nowhere to run

  • 02.07.2011 4:12 PM PDT

Oh I'm sorry, that's my mistake. You see, even though the following paragraph wasn't directed at me in your last post (yeah, you can go check if you'd like), I sincerely believed it was a joke and that you were trolling (what I considered to be quite well, might I add).

Posted by: Lord Bryne
I'm sure people are thinking "If both you and your opponent can use a corner, then what's the problem?" The very fact that you HAVE to resort to using a corner in order to succeed is, in itself, a flaw, but beyond that, there is absolutely no guarantee that when you spawn, there'll be a corner available to you, and even if there is, you can either choose to be camper, or take a huge risk moving to a different corner to put yourself nearer the action.


This is outright baseless.

1.) You don't have to resort to using a corner to succeed. (this is a fact)

2.) The only bit of luck that I believe is alright in halo is where you spawn in regards to surrounding geometry (This is my opinion, just to be clear)

  • 02.07.2011 4:26 PM PDT

my old XBL accounts
H2: PoopRulezEarth
H3: 50 HyPeRR, 48 YourL1berator

This is a new account yerp derp

Corners have always been in Halo

  • 02.07.2011 4:28 PM PDT

Posted by: Broseidon
1.) You don't have to resort to using a corner to succeed. (this is a fact)

Are you familiar with the term "facetious"? Though honestly I think it wasn't too far from the truth, in a way.

Posted by: SolidStrelok
Corners have always been in Halo

To hell with tradition!

[Edited on 02.07.2011 5:18 PM PST]

  • 02.07.2011 5:15 PM PDT

Ugh. If you're going to do this, do it well...

  • 02.07.2011 5:16 PM PDT

What? You're complaining about corners?

  • 02.07.2011 5:16 PM PDT

Goodbye...


Posted by: UnexpectedBang
Disadvantage: you have nowhere to run


Jetpack. Lol.

  • 02.07.2011 5:16 PM PDT

Golden Rule of Gaming

If someone is better than you, he's a nerd and has no life.
If someone is worse than you, he's a noob

Fantastic thread lol!

[Edited on 02.07.2011 5:19 PM PST]

  • 02.07.2011 5:19 PM PDT

You can invite me anytime, and we'll play together. It's all good. But don't ever, EVER touch my Sniper.

I lol'd. I'll let the trolls take care of this one.

  • 02.07.2011 5:40 PM PDT


Posted by: Broseidon

Posted by: Lord Bryne
NO! You press a joystick instead. Obviously. How dare you insult my intellect?


There's just no arguing with a person who refuses to address the points made by his opposition.

Once again: You dumb.


Dude STFU, you are writing like a bazillion times into this thread. Get over it, you're getting pwned by ppl like me because AL rules, if it was like in the Beta it would really be overpowered, but atm it's perfect. After getting downgraded a couple of times you're still crying a river.
And this thread just shows how pathetic crybabies like you are. Let's remove everything in the game to make it balanced, DMR only, no bloom, no grenades, no AA, nothing, just a flat map in different colors, right?


AL= You don't get Power Weapons, Sprint/Jetpack= You get Power Weapons

  • 02.07.2011 5:52 PM PDT

my old XBL accounts
H2: PoopRulezEarth
H3: 50 HyPeRR, 48 YourL1berator

This is a new account yerp derp


Posted by: Lord Bryne
Posted by: SolidStrelok
Corners have always been in Halo

To hell with tradition!

YeAH! every map should a a long narrow hallway

  • 02.07.2011 5:54 PM PDT

armor lock doesn't slow gameplay otherwise the time would go slower but it doesnt it goes the same speed.

  • 02.07.2011 5:55 PM PDT

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Are you suggesting that we play in a huge open box, or maybe a sphere?

  • 02.07.2011 5:57 PM PDT


Posted by: Kushi90

Posted by: Broseidon

Posted by: Lord Bryne
NO! You press a joystick instead. Obviously. How dare you insult my intellect?


There's just no arguing with a person who refuses to address the points made by his opposition.

Once again: You dumb.


Dude STFU, you are writing like a bazillion times into this thread. Get over it, you're getting pwned by ppl like me because AL rules, if it was like in the Beta it would really be overpowered, but atm it's perfect. After getting downgraded a couple of times you're still crying a river.
And this thread just shows how pathetic crybabies like you are. Let's remove everything in the game to make it balanced, DMR only, no bloom, no grenades, no AA, nothing, just a flat map in different colors, right?


AL= You don't get Power Weapons, Sprint/Jetpack= You get Power Weapons


I don't care about the game so much as I like arguing with people on this forum every once in a while. Get off me bro, go play Halo.

P.S. I would probably enjoy that hypothetical game you proposed.

  • 02.07.2011 5:57 PM PDT

This is either the worst joke thread ever or a haters will hate no matter the case thread. I'm done.

  • 02.07.2011 5:59 PM PDT

Shoryuken!

Mythic Mode Progress on Reach:
Winter Contingency, perfection.
Other levels in progress.

All I'm getting is camping is a big problem.
Solution = 0

  • 02.07.2011 6:00 PM PDT


Posted by: Lord Bryne
Posted by: Broseidon
1.) You don't have to resort to using a corner to succeed. (this is a fact)

Are you familiar with the term "facetious"? Though honestly I think it wasn't too far from the truth, in a way.

Posted by: SolidStrelok
Corners have always been in Halo

To hell with tradition!


The overall tone of your OP is facetious, but the sentence in question, taken out of context (by you) is not facetious in the least (due to the fact that you attempted to use it as a serious rebuttal).

I'm done now though, thanks for the laughs.

  • 02.07.2011 6:05 PM PDT