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Subject: You thought Armor Lock slows down gameplay?!

Posted by: Iceyball989
Are you suggesting that we play in a huge open box, or maybe a sphere?

Griffball is awesome. Does that answer your question? XD

  • 02.07.2011 6:07 PM PDT

You are absolutely right about those corners, OP. Get rid of armor lock and those stupid corners. They're so over-powering.

Bungie needs to get rid of shields, too. Shields are for noobs and BK's. Why should I have to shoot a guy multiple times before I can finally kill him?

While they're at it, get rid of lateral movement, too. It's such crap how somebody can move left and right to try to avoid your shots. They should only be able to go forward because left and right are way too over-powering.

Lateral movement sucks and it's over-powering just like armor lock, corners and shields. GET RID OF IT!

/sarcasm

[Edited on 02.07.2011 6:15 PM PST]

  • 02.07.2011 6:09 PM PDT

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  • 02.07.2011 6:11 PM PDT


Posted by: Broseidon
The overall tone of your OP is facetious, but the sentence in question, taken out of context (by you) is not facetious in the least (due to the fact that you attempted to use it as a serious rebuttal).

I'm done now though, thanks for the laughs.

In my defense, just about everything I've said in this thread was facetious, including my rebuttals, I just find it funny that people are making arguments that I already (sarcastically) addressed in the OP.

  • 02.07.2011 6:11 PM PDT

There comes a time in all our lives where we've gotta decide: are you gonna be part of the problem, or are you gonna be part of the solution?

LOL. No more corners. Replace them all with circular walls. Solved.

  • 02.07.2011 6:12 PM PDT

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  • 02.07.2011 6:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: Lord Bryne
Okay, it's obvious that armor abilities like armor lock are a crutch for the nooby, extending their lives by pressing a button, but I'd like to draw attention to a much more nooby feature of Reach:

CORNERS

I would dearly like someone to explain to me what the heck Bungie was thinking when they decided to put these in the game. They have to be the biggest crutch for the cowardly that I have ever seen. I can barely count the number of times that I've been screwed over by a noob/camper that used a corner. It's like every time I'm about to kill someone, they just have to push their joystick in the general direction of a corner, and suddenly they can live. And even if I try to follow them to finish off the kill, they throw a grenade on the ground at the corner, and I either have to back off and let them get away or keep going and risk getting hit by the grenade and then subsequently headshotted. This is pure cowardice. I could out-DMR the crap out of them, get them to one shot while barely taking a hit, yet it doesn't matter, because they're at a corner. All I can really do is spam grenades at them and hope to get lucky, and even that isn't an ideal use for my grenades.

Why corners are overpowered

Advantages of a corner include:

1. Semi-invulnerability. All you have to do is sit right by the corner, and when you're getting shot from one side, you move to the other and BAM! you're safe.

2. Escape routes. If you're fighting a losing battle, run to a corner and you'll have perfect cover to get away entirely. Throw a grenade at the corner to make sure no one can pursue you.

3. Concealment. No one can see you around a corner, so all you have to do is wait there and watch your radar, ambush whoever

4. Minimal exposure. When you're at a corner, you have far fewer directions to worry about than you would otherwise, as the number of sightlines that threaten your position are significantly reduced.

There are no disadvantages to using a corner.

Now this wouldn't be such a huge problem if any of the above advantages required skill to utilize them, but they don't require any skill whatsoever. You simply have to be at the corner to gain all the advantages.

Why corners should be removed

Corners slow down gameplay far more than anything else ever could. Imagine how fast a team slayer game would go if there were no corners to hide behind. Armor lock doesn't even come close, and at least it has SOME disadvantages... Not to mention, as I said before, you don't need to be skilled to receive the advantages a corner offers, you simply have to push your joystick towards them and it all falls into your lap. They also encourage camping, which of course is also a huge detriment to gameplay. Seriously, what better reason could you find to sit in just one specific spot than the advantage a corner offers?

I'm sure people are thinking "If both you and your opponent can use a corner, then what's the problem?" The very fact that you HAVE to resort to using a corner in order to succeed is, in itself, a flaw, but beyond that, there is absolutely no guarantee that when you spawn, there'll be a corner available to you, and even if there is, you can either choose to be camper, or take a huge risk moving to a different corner to put yourself nearer the action. I guarantee that if corners were removed, the more skilled player would win far more often than they currently do, because no one could depend on these unbalanced abominations.

TL;DR: The bottom line is corners turn matchmaking into a crapfest, allowing anyone to survive a fight that they might lose, like true cowards and noobs. Anyone with a decent amount of skill would stay and kill or get killed.

If bungie doesn't release a title update soon that gives us slayer gametypes and maps with dmr-only, no melee damage, no armor ability, 3 shot kills in big alleyways with teams spawning at either end with nothing to hide behind and maybe some pretty decorations on the walls, I'm gonna snap my disc in half.

:P

You may notice that I posted this topic twice, and that's because, having not created many topics, I wasn't aware that the poll question would turn into the topic title...


Full of win. Bungie needs to get red of those damn corners!!!

  • 02.07.2011 6:13 PM PDT

Nice.

[Edited on 02.07.2011 6:15 PM PST]

  • 02.07.2011 6:14 PM PDT


Posted by: Lord Bryne

Posted by: Broseidon
The overall tone of your OP is facetious, but the sentence in question, taken out of context (by you) is not facetious in the least (due to the fact that you attempted to use it as a serious rebuttal).

I'm done now though, thanks for the laughs.

In my defense, just about everything I've said in this thread was facetious, including my rebuttals, I just find it funny that people are making arguments that I already (sarcastically) addressed in the OP.


Alright. I should've realized this wasn't an open-ended post to begin with, you just wanted to say what you wanted to say without opposition (due to the entertaining nature of the post) I can respect that. Adieu.

  • 02.07.2011 6:17 PM PDT

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I just find it funny that the OP managed to replace armor lock with corners and managed to create an almost legit arguementm especially with Halo Reach's maps like sword base and countdown.

  • 02.07.2011 6:22 PM PDT

wow your kidding right

  • 02.07.2011 6:23 PM PDT

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Lolulz if you dont like corners you should play Battlefield Bad company 2

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  • 02.07.2011 6:29 PM PDT

Posted by: The Pizza King
wow your kidding right

It's a possibility. Read through it multiple times, and decide for yourself.

  • 02.07.2011 7:01 PM PDT
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So is there any news on the title update taking the corners out?

  • 03.22.2011 10:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: Xvise66
So is there any news on the title update taking the corners out?
I heard something about 343 putting in an AA which shoots through walls on their forum, hopefully they'll fix this broken game soon.

  • 03.22.2011 10:07 PM PDT
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Agreed. The yellow lift room on Sword base has been ruined by this horrible abomination. We must remove corners!!

  • 03.22.2011 10:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sh1n1ng Wolf

Posted by: Xvise66
So is there any news on the title update taking the corners out?
I heard something about 343 putting in an AA which shoots through walls on their forum, hopefully they'll fix this broken game soon.


Thats good, i need to start practicing on my 360 no scopes through walls.

  • 03.22.2011 10:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: Drowsy Demon
I do not appreciate your sarcastic attempt to poke fun of at AL "haters/complainers"

Let me make one post that will poke a hole straight through your argument:

1) You don't spawn next to a corner
2) You can't be next to a corner at any point during the game
3) Grenades much? You can still get killed if you go to the other side of the corner, and people can follow you. It doesn't give you "semi-invulnerability" it doesn't give you invulnerability period.




Someone no get joke.

  • 03.22.2011 10:10 PM PDT

Whatever as always.

a huge post dedicated to sarcasm and jokes.
i salute you.

can we be friends?

[Edited on 03.22.2011 10:13 PM PDT]

  • 03.22.2011 10:12 PM PDT

Fail humor is fail.

  • 03.22.2011 10:15 PM PDT

lol. tho, I have recently come to resent AL.

Great on paper, but the internet ruins its execution.

  • 03.22.2011 10:16 PM PDT

I can't tell if this is legit or just a joke

  • 03.22.2011 10:16 PM PDT

Put teleporters in every corner

  • 03.22.2011 10:17 PM PDT