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Subject: Halo: Cryptum Question *spoilers*

If you havn't read the book, disregard this thread.


Why were the Halos allowed to be stationed so close outside the Forerunner's homeworld? It just seems crazy to me. Kind of like having a nuclear bomb sitting outside your house.

  • 02.07.2011 4:36 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Because they didn't think they would fire at them.

  • 02.07.2011 4:38 PM PDT

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Why did the USSR love to have parades with a crap load of tanks and missile launchers in the middle of their capital? Same reason the Forerunners brought the Halos to their spacestation/home thingy

  • 02.07.2011 4:41 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Because they didn't think they would fire at them.


The most powerful weapons in the galaxy isn't warrant enough to not have them so close to home?

  • 02.07.2011 4:42 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: chilled burrito

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Because they didn't think they would fire at them.


The most powerful weapons in the galaxy isn't warrant enough to not have them so close to home?

Who was going to fire them?

  • 02.07.2011 4:43 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: chilled burrito

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Because they didn't think they would fire at them.


The most powerful weapons in the galaxy isn't warrant enough to not have them so close to home?

Who was going to fire them?


I don't know, maybe some crazy robot thing that would betray them? Oh, that kinda did happen...

  • 02.07.2011 4:47 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: chilled burrito

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: chilled burrito

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Because they didn't think they would fire at them.


The most powerful weapons in the galaxy isn't warrant enough to not have them so close to home?

Who was going to fire them?


I don't know, maybe some crazy robot thing that would betray them? Oh, that kinda did happen...


And di they see it coming? No. The Forerunner's are stupid, they let their guard down. It's that simple.

  • 02.07.2011 4:51 PM PDT


Posted by: chilled burrito
Kind of like having a nuclear bomb sitting outside your house.


You say that like I don't.

But anyway, they got overconfident.
Then the widdle super-AI went all ninja on there arses.

[Edited on 02.07.2011 5:08 PM PST]

  • 02.07.2011 5:07 PM PDT

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The halos were brought to the Forerunner capital for decommissioning. They kept them at the capital for safekeeping, and there was already so much security at the Forerunner capital that they would be the most secure there.

There would be no point in keeping them farther from the capital because of the massive range of the installations. Remember that each of the rings could kill everything in a significant portion of the galaxy, and the capital was the most secure.

As for the Forerunners not expecting MB to betray them, return and fire the halos, MB was the most advanced AI the Forerunners had ever created and was designated as the overseer of the installations. All AI are programmed with fail safes to make sure that they don't betray the Forerunners. His betrayal is almost as likely as the President, and everyone else down the line, deciding to fire the United States' nuclear arsenal at the United States.

The only problem with the Forerunner's plan was sending the AI that oversaw the Halo rings to negotiate with the Gravemind. I am surprised that they didn't have the foresight to compartmentalize the information, and have a different AI negotiate. The Forerunners have a notable love for a "need to know" type of system, note how 343 didn't have any info on the other installations.

  • 02.07.2011 5:18 PM PDT

the Gravemind? the Gravemind wasn't even talked about in the first book, thus the forerunner series, yet. The AI was corrupted by the Master Builder, not the Gravemind. He was one of the people assigned to creating the AI thus knew its weaknesses. He reprogrammed it to do all with the Halo Rings and Capital.
Obviously we still don't know the reasoning for the Master Builder's betrayal yet, but I'm sure it will come up later, my best guess is hes being controlled by something. i.e. the flood (or perhaps the last Precursor?)

  • 03.15.2011 10:22 PM PDT


Posted by: Jeff Boi R D
the Gravemind? the Gravemind wasn't even talked about in the first book, thus the forerunner series, yet. The AI was corrupted by the Master Builder, not the Gravemind. He was one of the people assigned to creating the AI thus knew its weaknesses. He reprogrammed it to do all with the Halo Rings and Capital.
Obviously we still don't know the reasoning for the Master Builder's betrayal yet, but I'm sure it will come up later, my best guess is hes being controlled by something. i.e. the flood (or perhaps the last Precursor?)
Wait... the Master Builder betrayed them? No. He just ordered the firing at the San Shyummn world. He's a -blam!- yes but he wouldn't betray the entire forerunner civilization.

  • 03.15.2011 10:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: chilled burrito

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Because they didn't think they would fire at them.


The most powerful weapons in the galaxy isn't warrant enough to not have them so close to home?

Who was going to fire them?


I don't know, maybe some crazy robot thing that would betray them? Oh, that kinda did happen...



Listen to what you're saying.

Why would the Forerunners expect to be betrayed by their own?

Think of it this way. Why would you store nuclear weapons in silos in your own country?

  • 03.15.2011 10:34 PM PDT
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It was for the Council. For memory, it was a mix of evidence against the High Builder and the curiosity of seeing how they were coming along.

So, they bring 'em in, Mendicant Bias appears, and fires five of them.
Ding, fries are done.

EDIT:
Posted by: CTN 0452 9
The halos were brought to the Forerunner capital for decommissioning. They kept them at the capital for safekeeping, and there was already so much security at the Forerunner capital that they would be the most secure there.
Yeah, that's what I meant by "seeing how they were going"...
>.>
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(Protip: No it wasn't)

I thought I may have been wrong on that point. I probably should've read the thread fully, eh?

[Edited on 03.16.2011 1:42 AM PDT]

  • 03.16.2011 1:38 AM PDT


Posted by: Jeff Boi R D
the Gravemind? the Gravemind wasn't even talked about in the first book, thus the forerunner series, yet. The AI was corrupted by the Master Builder, not the Gravemind. He was one of the people assigned to creating the AI thus knew its weaknesses. He reprogrammed it to do all with the Halo Rings and Capital.
Obviously we still don't know the reasoning for the Master Builder's betrayal yet, but I'm sure it will come up later, my best guess is hes being controlled by something. i.e. the flood (or perhaps the last Precursor?)


MB was corrupted by the Captive, most likely meaning Gravemind. The Master Builder only nuked the Prophet homeworld (after thouroughly eviscerating it. Anyone have any clue as to why he decided to sterilize an already FUBARed planet?) but he never betrayed the Forerunners, only the Mantle.

  • 03.16.2011 5:26 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

MB spent 42(Right?) years on a Halo ring with the captive, and most likely the gravemind. THAT'S what corrupted him.

  • 03.16.2011 6:25 AM PDT

I believe they kept the rings so close because it didn't matter how far away the rings would been, they were powerful enough to kill everything. Think of being in a small room with an active grenade; It does't matter if you are holding the grenade or you are on the opposite end of the room, you are still going to get blown the -blam!- up.

  • 03.16.2011 7:35 AM PDT

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Er... the surface of Ghibalb was heavily irradiated and inhospitable because of failed attempts at stellar engineering. It doesn't matter.

  • 03.16.2011 10:02 AM PDT

The meeting they were having was supposed to be about their deactivation, after the atrocity committed by the master builder. They would go through and deactivate them all right then and there.

Of course, out of nowhere...medicant bias.

[Edited on 03.16.2011 10:32 AM PDT]

  • 03.16.2011 10:32 AM PDT

Posted by: Sniffy66

Posted by: Jeff Boi R D
the Gravemind? the Gravemind wasn't even talked about in the first book, thus the forerunner series, yet. The AI was corrupted by the Master Builder, not the Gravemind. He was one of the people assigned to creating the AI thus knew its weaknesses. He reprogrammed it to do all with the Halo Rings and Capital.
Obviously we still don't know the reasoning for the Master Builder's betrayal yet, but I'm sure it will come up later, my best guess is hes being controlled by something. i.e. the flood (or perhaps the last Precursor?)
Wait... the Master Builder betrayed them? No. He just ordered the firing at the San Shyummn world. He's a -blam!- yes but he wouldn't betray the entire forerunner civilization.


He didn't betray them per se, but him using the ring for such a terrible cause is the reason they were there in the first place: to be deactivated so something like that couldn't happen again.

  • 03.16.2011 10:34 AM PDT

They were taken to the capitol for decommissioning and possibly being dismantled. And the capitol was the safest place for them to be, I mean they had absolutely no enemies. Like every great civilization that is no more, they had grown complacent, they were ripe for a fall.

  • 03.16.2011 11:07 AM PDT