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Subject: Is Halo the new Star Wars? (My thoughts)

Marine: "Got a new contact. Unknown Classification!"
Lord Hood: "If it isn't one of ours, take it out."
MC: "This is bus 117, can anyone hear me? Over."
Lord Hood: "Isolate that signal. Master Chief, you mind telling me you're doing at that school?"
MC: "Sir... picking up these kids."

Many people, (perhaps even yourself) have given Halo the title of being "This generation's Star Wars". One could argue both ways: That it is OR is not worthy of the title, however when I think about it I've come to this conclusion:

It is and is not.

Let's back up.

When Star Wars first came out, they were instant classics, people wanted in on the money, everyone was on board. It provided a new perspective on aliens, technology, heroes, and wasn't just a story, it was a universe. Same goes for Halo, especially as far as products go. It's BECOMING just as big given it's current time since it was created. How big is it? Just look at all of the various pieces of Halo merchandise and I guarantee you can find a Star Wars counterpart:

Video Games
Animated movies
Comics
Novels
Board Game spin offs
Table Top strategy Games
Trading Cards
Clothing
Accessories (Pins, License plates, etc.)
Mega Blocks (Though Star Wars is Lego)
Encyclopedias
Art Books
Action Figures
Calendars
Toy guns
RC cars
Collectibles (Like busts, Helmets, Statues, etc)
Iconic music
News Coverage
Fan Zealots

All that's missing is a Live Action film (even though we have plenty of Live Action trailers) and that's it.

Capitalism folks. Everyone wants to be on board with Halo, it's a huge money maker, as is Star Wars.

Before you tell me:

"Halo doesn't have nearly as many things as Star Wars, like cereal boxes and what not"

Of course it doesn't, Star Wars is at least... what... 40 years old? Or close to it (it's been a long time) Of course there's more stuff for Star Wars, that's expected, Halo's only been around for 10 years, what do you want it to do? Plus Halo has the "M" rating for some unknown reason, making it less accessible for younger audiences and a controversial thing to put on things such as Cereal Boxes.

BUT WHAT I MEAN TO SAY EXACTLY MAY NOT BE UNDERSTOOD. HALO IS STILL NOT STAR WARS

and that's the difference. Star Wars has random (Tell me Mos Eisly wasn't just random alien costumes, disregarding what is biologically possible/reasonable in favor of fantasy) aliens, tech, cultures, planets, super powers, etc everywhere, which implies tons of back story, plus it cares less about explaining how everything works, which allows for more creative room. Star Wars is much more expansive and loose than Halo.

So what I mean to say is:

Halo and Star Wars are different stories with different abilities and room at their disposal BUT Halo will rob Star Wars of it's place as the mainstream Science Fiction franchise (Thus being this generation's Star Wars without actually being a Star Wars clone), and will be used and distributed in many products to increase value, as well as receive expanded story to keep it fresh. It robs the generation of the place in which we held Star Wars, but isn't Star Wars.

Does this make sense to anyone, or is this not really a good explanation. I'm being a bit brief, but it hit me recently, and I think this is what a lot of people are trying to say without saying it.

  • 02.08.2011 7:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: Unggoys on sale
Halo will not die so long as there is money to be made.

It is this generation's Star Wars. This is a bold claim to make, but think about it.

When Star Wars first came out. They were instant classics, people wanted in on the money, everyone was on board. Same goes for Halo, look at where it's gone to, and I guarantee you can find a Star Wars counterpart:

Video Games
Animated movies
Comics
Novels
Board Game spin offs
Table Top strategy Games
Trading Cards
Clothing
Accessories (Pins, License plates, etc.)
Mega Blocks (Though Star Wars is Lego)
Encyclopedias
Art Books
Action Figures
Calendars
Toy guns
RC cars
Collectibles (Like busts, Helmets, Statues, etc)
Iconic music
News Coverage
Fan Zealots

All that's missing is a Live Action film (even though we have plenty of Live Action trailers) and that's it.

Capitalism folks. Everyone wants to be on board with Halo, it's a huge money maker, as is Star Wars.


Before you tell me:

"Halo doesn't have nearly as many things as Star Wars, like cereal boxes and what not"

Of course it doesn't, Star Wars is at least... what... 40 years old? Or close to it (it's been a long time) Of course there's more stuff for Star Wars, that's expected, Halo's only been around for 10 years, what do you want it to do?

BUT HALO IS NOT STAR WARS,

and that's the difference. Star Wars has random aliens everywhere, which implies tons of planets and back story, plus it cares less about explaining how everything works, which allows for more creative room. Star Wars is much more expansive and loose than Halo.

Halo will never REPLACE Star Wars for what Star Wars is, but it will rob the hype of Science Fiction and imagination from Star Wars and continue to grow in appeal as it's production continues to be top notch.

It will only die when your money dies, until then it is unstoppable.

You make several good points, Halo is like Star Wars in that it is this generation's science fiction franchise, and it has "sold out" to some degree, with varying results.

  • 02.08.2011 7:59 AM PDT

Marine: "Got a new contact. Unknown Classification!"
Lord Hood: "If it isn't one of ours, take it out."
MC: "This is bus 117, can anyone hear me? Over."
Lord Hood: "Isolate that signal. Master Chief, you mind telling me you're doing at that school?"
MC: "Sir... picking up these kids."

I mean the title "This generation's Star Wars" feels like the term "Doom clone" for first person shooters. Halo isn't a Doom clone just because they're both fps games, but it might take the place of Doom in sales and hype (just an example).

I think saying "This generation's Star Wars" is a phrase too easily manipulated and twisted, so I think it'd be better to say "Top Science Fiction series" or something, but when you say that it doesn't sound as prestigious unless we're reminded that Star Wars is all of a sudden beneath it, in which case conflict arises.

It's really just a silly phrase, but I've seen people fight to the death over it.

  • 02.08.2011 9:01 AM PDT

Difference is Star Wars is -blam!-. I could never get into it probably. Mass Effect is basically a good Star Wars without the cheese and stupid looking aliens.

  • 02.08.2011 9:23 AM PDT

He threw down a glove you made the mistake
Of picking it up now you're gone
The choosing of guns or fighting with swords
The choice of weapons is done
He'll tear you apart as soon as you start
You know you don't have a chance.

Star Wars had awesome antagonists(General Grevious, Darth Maul, Darth Vader, etc), which Halo have sadly never had.

  • 02.08.2011 10:05 AM PDT

I agree with you.

But I think Halo is better then Star Wars because of its consistent story. Wars is filled with a bunch of pointless filler stuff that make the movie stories seem null and void.

Halo remains true to the original fans while at the same time bringing new ones in. No one is really into Star Wars like they used to be except for fanboys and little kids.

Its because there isn't a lot to discuss. Halo's universe is dark, mysterious, realistic and intellecually challenging, whereas Wars is basically colorful lights and not a lot of intelligence behind it (excluding the original movies; I doubt any sci-fi lover didn't like those movies).

Wars has survived because it was a classic. It was so good, even milking it beyond the grave has not killed it completely. But now, its banking its success on the kids, which are undeniably the biggest demograph for the series (look at the cartoon).

Halo will last because of its maturity (not the online community, the story) and challenging nature. It will be eternally a classic because of the story it has retained for the last 10 years, not because it was a blockbuster people took advantage of for a quick buck (I'm looking at you George Lucas).

So, in regards to beeing this generation's sci-fi series, yes, Halo is Star Wars. But not for the same reasons as Wars.

  • 02.08.2011 1:59 PM PDT

Wake me when the jews are gone.

first you stole my thread and second after phanton menace star wars became -blam!-

  • 02.08.2011 2:13 PM PDT

Marine: "Got a new contact. Unknown Classification!"
Lord Hood: "If it isn't one of ours, take it out."
MC: "This is bus 117, can anyone hear me? Over."
Lord Hood: "Isolate that signal. Master Chief, you mind telling me you're doing at that school?"
MC: "Sir... picking up these kids."


Posted by: fsabran
first you stole my thread and second after phanton menace star wars became -blam!-


I mean... I doubt either of us were the first to bring this up, and I'm not aware of your thread, If I were had I visited it and would have posted in it.

As for Phantom Menace, I could see the disappointment. It went from being a family friendly adventure to a child's film, and their is a difference. I mean there's still appeal for adults, but what I mean by child is... Jar Jar. I think Star Wars forgot how to be family friendly without having themes that are appealing solely to kids.

Movies had their good moments though, even though 2 and 3 were Green Screen nightmares.



[Edited on 02.08.2011 6:46 PM PST]

  • 02.08.2011 6:40 PM PDT

Marine: "Got a new contact. Unknown Classification!"
Lord Hood: "If it isn't one of ours, take it out."
MC: "This is bus 117, can anyone hear me? Over."
Lord Hood: "Isolate that signal. Master Chief, you mind telling me you're doing at that school?"
MC: "Sir... picking up these kids."


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
I agree with you.

But I think Halo is better then Star Wars because of its consistent story. Wars is filled with a bunch of pointless filler stuff that make the movie stories seem null and void.

Halo remains true to the original fans while at the same time bringing new ones in. No one is really into Star Wars like they used to be except for fanboys and little kids.

Its because there isn't a lot to discuss. Halo's universe is dark, mysterious, realistic and intellecually challenging, whereas Wars is basically colorful lights and not a lot of intelligence behind it (excluding the original movies; I doubt any sci-fi lover didn't like those movies).

Wars has survived because it was a classic. It was so good, even milking it beyond the grave has not killed it completely. But now, its banking its success on the kids, which are undeniably the biggest demograph for the series (look at the cartoon).

Halo will last because of its maturity (not the online community, the story) and challenging nature. It will be eternally a classic because of the story it has retained for the last 10 years, not because it was a blockbuster people took advantage of for a quick buck (I'm looking at you George Lucas).

So, in regards to beeing this generation's sci-fi series, yes, Halo is Star Wars. But not for the same reasons as Wars.



It's fine to think Halo is better. To be honest I look at both of them for different things.

The acrobatics and light sabers appeal to me in Star Wars, and occasionally a realistic alien with thought behind it comes around, plus using the force is something I'm sure we all wouldn't mind having.

I look to Halo for genocide, backs against the walls, a cruel universe with secrets where life isn't fair, where people do strange and sacrificial things for a cause.

I think both have appeal, but Halo's fresh.

I also enjoy Halo more than Star Wars at this point though, as it would appear you do.

  • 02.08.2011 6:44 PM PDT

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I like more Halo, feels more...real.

Star Wars is way to...cartoonish...childish?

Halo feels like a real war, StarWars feels like a Final Fantasy game.

[Edited on 02.08.2011 6:45 PM PST]

  • 02.08.2011 6:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shishka
Everything will be gone long before me. When the first living thing was born, I was here, waiting. When the last living thing dies, my job is finished. I'll put the chairs on the tables, turn out the lights and lock the universe behind me when I leave.

Just because Halo has all the same merchandise doesn't mean it's just like Star Wars. When I can go up to a complete stranger and say "I need a weapon" or "Whoever controls Halo controls the fate of the universe" and they know what the hell I'm talking about like I could with a Star Wars line like "Luke, I am your father" then Halo will be as big as Star Wars. Or if that random stranger knew who Cortana is as much as they would know who Chewbacca is.

Halo doesn't even close to contemplating about thinking about wishing it was on the same level of Star Wars.

[Edited on 02.08.2011 7:04 PM PST]

  • 02.08.2011 7:00 PM PDT

Marine: "Got a new contact. Unknown Classification!"
Lord Hood: "If it isn't one of ours, take it out."
MC: "This is bus 117, can anyone hear me? Over."
Lord Hood: "Isolate that signal. Master Chief, you mind telling me you're doing at that school?"
MC: "Sir... picking up these kids."


Posted by: ODST27
Just because Halo has all the same merchandise doesn't mean it's just like Star Wars. When I can go up to a complete stranger and say "I need a weapon" or "Whoever controls Halo controls the fate of the universe" and they know what the hell I'm talking about like I could with a Star Wars line like "Luke, I am your father" then Halo will be as big as Star Wars. Or if that random stranger knew who Cortana is as much as they would know who Chewbacca is.

Halo doesn't even close to contemplating about thinking about wishing it was on the same level of Star Wars.



You are correct, it's not like Star Wars, in fact I mention it in the original post and several other posts, but that's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying it's taking the place of Star Wars as being the top Science Fiction universe. I do not think they are the same in any way other than their Science Fiction genre, and because they share the genre title we put them together, and when looking at the direction of the franchise and the flow of income, as well as just general reactions, opinions etc I'm saying above and in this post as well that:

Halo is the "Star Wars of the generation" (this is a popular claim recently) which basically just translates to "Halo is the top Science Fiction franchise of the generation" without Halo really being a better "Star Wars" than Star Wars. You can't out Star Wars Star Wars... that's insane.

So again, I never said it's LIKE Star Wars, the merchandise was merely to show it's success in the form of the money it rakes in, and the spotlight it's currently under. You may want to read into what I'm saying a bit more next time.

  • 02.08.2011 7:17 PM PDT

Message me if you want, I will try to get back as soon as possible.

See you on the forums and in the games.

It is to a point, but it doesn't share the same popularity in popular culture as Star Wars does. From what I have seen, within this generation, Star Wars is still more popular than Halo.

  • 02.08.2011 8:53 PM PDT

Marine: "Got a new contact. Unknown Classification!"
Lord Hood: "If it isn't one of ours, take it out."
MC: "This is bus 117, can anyone hear me? Over."
Lord Hood: "Isolate that signal. Master Chief, you mind telling me you're doing at that school?"
MC: "Sir... picking up these kids."


Posted by: Rawk to the Fist
It is to a point, but it doesn't share the same popularity in popular culture as Star Wars does. From what I have seen, within this generation, Star Wars is still more popular than Halo.


Perhaps currently, however would you say that Halo's 10 years of success reminds you of the first 10 years of Star Wars success?

  • 02.08.2011 9:19 PM PDT