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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

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Microsoft owns Halo.

Why should bungie ruin an amesome story by maki,g their own version of it,wich failed hard .

  • 02.09.2011 5:34 AM PDT

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Posted by: Pipboy 3050
I am really tired of people like Private caboose saying Bungie broke canon.

Why should the books over-rule the story that Bungie created? Why is it up to the fanbase to decide what is canon and what isn't?


Bungie made the god-damn story. And what's really sad is, with a few minor changes, both the Game and the Book can live in harmony.


Singling out members is already against the forum rules. Pvt. Caboose has been on the forums for years and is a dedicated Halo fan, more so than you, so show some of the respect he deserves, troll.

Reported.

P.S. The books were created by Bungie, but written by different authors who had the Halo Story Bible to reference from. So technically speaking Bungie made the books. If they didn't, the books would have been long rejected as fan-fiction canon.

  • 02.09.2011 5:59 AM PDT

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Because the fan base think they know better than the creators of the story. They don't.

  • 02.09.2011 6:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: Magna117
Because the fan base think they know better than the creators of the story. They don't.

We do. We're not blinded by moneiz.

  • 02.09.2011 7:03 AM PDT

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Posted by: Magna117
Because the fan base think they know better than the creators of the story. They don't.

We do. We're not blinded by moneiz.

Neither are bungie. They are talented and dedicated. They know what their doing.

  • 02.09.2011 7:59 AM PDT

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We should at least get a say, but it's M/S' canon now. Simples

  • 02.09.2011 8:44 AM PDT
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Posted by: EachToxic wolf
We should at least get a say, but it's M/S' canon now. Simples


It became microsots in 2007-2008 when bungie gave the rights away.
I think someone from 343 once said that they already have the story bible,how else could they have made halo legends and cryptum without bungies help.

  • 02.09.2011 8:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: Magna117

Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Posted by: Magna117
Because the fan base think they know better than the creators of the story. They don't.

We do. We're not blinded by moneiz.

Neither are bungie. They are talented and dedicated. They know what their doing.

They removed my precious double EXP weekend from Halo 3.

  • 02.09.2011 9:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: Magna117
Because the fan base think they know better than the creators of the story. They don't.


Unless you are mentally retarded and can't note the obvious between one thing from another!

Bungie created Halo: CE and created Halo: Reach ok? They are technically contradicting themselfs, unless like I said you are mentally retarded and cannot notice the obvious.

Example? there were no loadouts in CE but they were in Reach, but we never saw ever again being used in Halo: CE by the elites, why?

Because Bungie doesn't care, they passed the Torch to Microsoft, it's their problem now, to fix their lazyness.

[Edited on 02.09.2011 9:32 AM PST]

  • 02.09.2011 9:32 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Bungie created the Halo Story Bible, in which all of Halo's canonical information is documented. The novels were all written with reference to this document, Reach breaks the canon of the novels and therefore cannot be official canon because it didn't adhere to the HSB.

Pvt Caboose is well within his rights to say Reach was bollocks. I'm frankly sick of Bungie fanboys defending everything Bungie do wrong simply because they made the Halo games.

[Edited on 02.09.2011 9:54 AM PST]

  • 02.09.2011 9:53 AM PDT

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Posted by: Pipboy 3050
I am really tired of people like Private caboose saying Bungie broke canon.

Why should the books over-rule the story that Bungie created? Why is it up to the fanbase to decide what is canon and what isn't?


Bungie made the god-damn story. And what's really sad is, with a few minor changes, both the Game and the Book can live in harmony.

^

Idiot who knows nothing about canon and is a blind fanboy.

  • 02.09.2011 9:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
Bungie created the Halo Story Bible, in which all of Halo's canonical information is documented. The novels were all written with reference to this document, Reach breaks the canon of the novels and therefore cannot be official canon because it didn't adhere to the HSB.

Pvt Caboose is well within his rights to say Reach was bollocks. I'm frankly sick of Bungie fanboys defending everything Bungie do wrong simply because they made the Halo games.

This is my hear hear! of the day.

  • 02.09.2011 11:52 AM PDT

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Posted by: Magna117
Because the fan base think they know better than the creators of the story. They don't.


Whaaat? I'm sorry but it's the truth, the fanbase perfectly known how the Halo universe work (the cannon, context, chronology etc...) better than the cretors themselves. The thing is that Bungie created years ago this big universe, but currently they're not able to maintain a coherence without breaking anything in it (Halo: Reach Canon is horrible) even the fanbase know how to fit it with the original book i'm sorry but this is the facts, for this round the point goes to fanbase 1- Bungie 0

  • 02.09.2011 12:04 PM PDT


Posted by: MasterSin

Posted by: Magna117
Because the fan base think they know better than the creators of the story. They don't.


Unless you are mentally retarded and can't note the obvious between one thing from another!

Bungie created Halo: CE and created Halo: Reach ok? They are technically contradicting themselfs, unless like I said you are mentally retarded and cannot notice the obvious.

Example? there were no loadouts in CE but they were in Reach, but we never saw ever again being used in Halo: CE by the elites, why?

Because Bungie doesn't care, they passed the Torch to Microsoft, it's their problem now, to fix their lazyness.


Whenever you go back and do something that happened before another event (Reach and CE), it'll look better.

I mean, let's look at the new star trek movie. My god that Enterprise looks far more advanced then the Enterprise-D did!

Anyway, if the book the PoA took damage, and the Spartan armory was destroyed. Meaning the best gear? Gone for the events of CE.

If you all want to ruin the campaign for yourselves by staring at small contradictions, go ahead. Make tiny details into huge glaring issues when they aren't.

  • 02.09.2011 12:15 PM PDT

for one its not theirs and two why ruin something that is epically awesome

  • 02.09.2011 12:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: ajw34307
Bungie created the Halo Story Bible, in which all of Halo's canonical information is documented. The novels were all written with reference to this document, Reach breaks the canon of the novels and therefore cannot be official canon because it didn't adhere to the HSB.

Pvt Caboose is well within his rights to say Reach was bollocks. I'm frankly sick of Bungie fanboys defending everything Bungie do wrong simply because they made the Halo games.

OP, listen to this dude, he know what he is talking about.

  • 02.09.2011 1:20 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
If you all want to ruin the campaign for yourselves by staring at small contradictions, go ahead. Make tiny details into huge glaring issues when they aren't.


i will stare at small contradictions and i will alot! small details and contradictions make or BREAK a story! big ones really can break a story "cough cough PoA"

  • 02.09.2011 1:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: MasterSin

Posted by: Magna117
Because the fan base think they know better than the creators of the story. They don't.


Unless you are mentally retarded and can't note the obvious between one thing from another!

Bungie created Halo: CE and created Halo: Reach ok? They are technically contradicting themselfs, unless like I said you are mentally retarded and cannot notice the obvious.

Example? there were no loadouts in CE but they were in Reach, but we never saw ever again being used in Halo: CE by the elites, why?

Because Bungie doesn't care, they passed the Torch to Microsoft, it's their problem now, to fix their lazyness.


Whenever you go back and do something that happened before another event (Reach and CE), it'll look better.

I mean, let's look at the new star trek movie. My god that Enterprise looks far more advanced then the Enterprise-D did!

Anyway, if the book the PoA took damage, and the Spartan armory was destroyed. Meaning the best gear? Gone for the events of CE.

If you all want to ruin the campaign for yourselves by staring at small contradictions, go ahead. Make tiny details into huge glaring issues when they aren't.


Ok let's say, the Reach technologys were lost in the glassing, The covenant for unknown reason had the very same loadouts, just the very same, so you're gonna tell me the whole loadout technology used by the covenant was lost there too?

The skirmishes, never shown or spoke of in another Halo novel or game.

We've seen more than one group of Spartans besides REd and Blue team, such as? Gray Team, Black Team, Omega group, Red Team from Halo Wars, do you see them wearing Marks permutations like if they were Power Rangers? People I understand this is a game, but this is a Military game, Spartans ain't Batman or super heros, they are SOLDIERS, super soldiers but soldiers nonetheless.

The erratic and awful behavior of Dr. Catherine Halsey, in the books she treats Spartans II and III like if they were the only thing in her life to her. In Halo: Reach, she behaves like she was talking to the most annoying thing in her life.

The PoA being in Reach, while they were suppose to be fighting a Covenant Super Carrier and waiting for the Chief and Linda to destroy all traces to Earth and rescue Johnson.

And the list goes on and on...

Yeah, this are small details.

Bungie said they were trying to make the story as real as possible, I find hardly possible that a group of soldiers (n matter how good they are in their field) had the liberty to modifie their gear. It's not military standard.

[Edited on 02.09.2011 1:38 PM PST]

  • 02.09.2011 1:35 PM PDT


Posted by: MasterSin

Posted by: Magna117
Because the fan base think they know better than the creators of the story. They don't.


Unless you are mentally retarded and can't note the obvious between one thing from another!

Bungie created Halo: CE and created Halo: Reach ok? They are technically contradicting themselfs, unless like I said you are mentally retarded and cannot notice the obvious.

Example? there were no loadouts in CE but they were in Reach, but we never saw ever again being used in Halo: CE by the elites, why?

Because Bungie doesn't care, they passed the Torch to Microsoft, it's their problem now, to fix their lazyness.


You can't use gameplay as an excuse. The loadouts were created to cater to better gameplay, not story. I mean by that logic, why not ask

"Why could MC pick up 2 guns in Halo 2 but not in CE?"

Oh, well you might say his armor upgrade allowed him to do this. Ok then:

"Why couldn't MC, using the same armor, pick up 2 Needlers in Halo 3, but he could in 2? Did he forget?"

I'm with OP. Bungie created the story whether Microsoft owns it or not. They can do what they want. They acknowledge the fact that they bent canon. But they continue to say that said changes made a better gameplay experience. And if you ommit the books, the story of reach works perfectly fine with CE.

I don't like that they strayed from the books either, but we should give Bungie the respect they deserve. So get over yourselves and enjoy the game.

  • 02.09.2011 1:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: MasterSin

Posted by: Magna117
Because the fan base think they know better than the creators of the story. They don't.


Unless you are mentally retarded and can't note the obvious between one thing from another!

Bungie created Halo: CE and created Halo: Reach ok? They are technically contradicting themselfs, unless like I said you are mentally retarded and cannot notice the obvious.

Example? there were no loadouts in CE but they were in Reach, but we never saw ever again being used in Halo: CE by the elites, why?

Because Bungie doesn't care, they passed the Torch to Microsoft, it's their problem now, to fix their lazyness.


You can't use gameplay as an excuse. The loadouts were created to cater to better gameplay, not story. I mean by that logic, why not ask

"Why could MC pick up 2 guns in Halo 2 but not in CE?"

Oh, well you might say his armor upgrade allowed him to do this. Ok then:

"Why couldn't MC, using the same armor, pick up 2 Needlers in Halo 3, but he could in 2? Did he forget?"

I'm with OP. Bungie created the story whether Microsoft owns it or not. They can do what they want. They acknowledge the fact that they bent canon. But they continue to say that said changes made a better gameplay experience. And if you ommit the books, the story of reach works perfectly fine with CE.

I don't like that they strayed from the books either, but we should give Bungie the respect they deserve. So get over yourselves and enjoy the game.


It's not the game I'm complaining about, the game is awesome dude as a Multiplayer experience, this is about the story told in campaign, if the loadouts are completly for multiplayer purposes why do they put them in the story as "lost technologys"?

And yes, they created Halo, but they sold their right to do whatever they want with Halo to Microsoft.

Let's say you write a story where your character can die at touching water and at some point you make your character touch water, and in the next book, you revive your character that touched water? You will get an angry mob of fans demanding why you did that? Once you stablish a canon you can't just change it at your will without expecting your fans to complain about it.

[Edited on 02.09.2011 1:51 PM PST]

  • 02.09.2011 1:49 PM PDT

Bungie writes the Halo Story Bible.

Eric Nylund recieves the HSB while writing the novels (as do all authors).

All stories and events prexist within the HSB, (including the fall of Reach) or are otherwise added for specifics sake.

Bungie releases Halo Reach

Halo Reach contradicts established canon.

Established canon is recorded in the HSB

Bungie wrote the HSB.

Bungie broke canon.

Let me explain. I used to think the rest of TFoR was okay even with Reach, but now, I'm not so sure.

The battle of Reach happened directly because of Sigma Octanus IV. One could argue Sigma IV was the turning point of the war since what it lead too.

Sigma IV ends on July 18th, with the UNSC victorious on all accounts, a much needed victory. The UNSC Iriquois , Commanded by the new Captain Jacob Keyes, is unaware of a Covenant spy drone attached to its hull.

As per the Cole Protocol, they would have had to jump several times to get to Reach, in order to throw any suspected Covenant off. They already purged their NAV data.

Human slip jumps take days, weeks or even months to get to their destinations. So lets say the Iriquois gets back a week later, on July 25th (if this is already wrong, please let me know).

In Halo: Reach canon, the Covenant found Reach on July 27th, two days after Keyes returned home. The only way this could work is if the Covenant formulated an entire Supercarrier crew and Corvette fleet to arrive at Reach within two days. This would make Covie slip technology nearly instantanious; I already find it hard to believe the Covies organized an entire scouting fleet within two days let alone do all of that AND still get to Reach in two days.

Under the H:R canon, the only easily understandable way for the Covies to have gotten to Reach in the time they did was if they got there before the Iriquois to look for Forerunner artifacts (the game's reason for their arrival). This ultimately renders the Sigma IV battle pointless, even nonexistant.

Here's why: The battle was fought for the sole purpose of uncovering a Forerunner artifact that would lead to other artifacts, including Halo. The only way the Covies could have known there was a Forerunner ruin on Reach was if something else told them. The only other thing that had the ability to do this was the Sigma Crystal.

However, Halsey states at the end of the game that it was because of Noble 6's actions in delivering Cortana that they found Halo, not the crystal.

This means the crystal was never found. Which makes the battle of Sigma IV most likely nonexistant, which makes the spy probe nonexistant which contradicts the entire battle of Reach's existance.

This would also indicate the Iriquois was never relevant, Captain Keyes (who was chosen to lead the Pillar of Autumn because of his brilliance at the battle of Sigma IV) never pulled the Keyes loop, and was never chosen to Captain the Pillar of Autumn, making the last Act of Halo: Reach impossible.

Now I know this isn't perfect (the above summary), and I know the journal probably clears a lot up, but it does beg a lot of questions. If this turns out to be how Bungie intended it to be, this is just wrong. It ruins the entire second half of TFoR, let alone the epic date discrepancies, AND contradicts their own game.

[Edited on 02.09.2011 2:19 PM PST]

  • 02.09.2011 1:52 PM PDT

I wake up to find myself
After all these years
And where all the time has gone
Still seems so unclear

It's called Retconning, guys.

Just look at the Star Wars universe. They've been doing it for decades.

It's stupid, but they're gonna tell the story they wanna tell.
If you don't like it, don't buy it.

  • 02.09.2011 1:56 PM PDT


Posted by: MasterSin

The skirmishes, never shown or spoke of in another Halo novel or game.

We've seen more than one group of Spartans besides REd and Blue team, such as? Gray Team, Black Team, Omega group, Red Team from Halo Wars, do you see them wearing Marks permutations like if they were Power Rangers? People I understand this is a game, but this is a Military game, Spartans ain't Batman or super heros, they are SOLDIERS, super soldiers but soldiers nonetheless.

The erratic and awful behavior of Dr. Catherine Halsey, in the books she treats Spartans II and III like if they were the only thing in her life to her. In Halo: Reach, she behaves like she was talking to the most annoying thing in her life.

The PoA being in Reach, while they were suppose to be fighting a Covenant Super Carrier and waiting for the Chief and Linda to destroy all traces to Earth and rescue Johnson.


Spartan III training, they modify their armor to suit their needs.

How did Halsey act weird? She didn't trust Noble Team because she knew they were Spartans, but not her Spartans. That and Carter+Kat weren't the kindest to her either. Notice how she acted much differently toward Jorge? Once she learned more about the spartan IIIs (at castle base in First Strike) she then wanted to pull them from the war.

As I said, the PoA landed is about the only one I'll give you. Also, it was fighting a super-cruiser, not a carrier. The first super-carrier to show up in halo universe thus far is the Long Night of Solace.

To last comment, the higher up in special ops you go, the more different they act compared to an average soldier. I'm pretty sure you see a high level squad looking much different then an average one in terms of gear and appearance.

  • 02.09.2011 2:19 PM PDT