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Subject: Its Bungie's canon.

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Posted by: Pipboy 3050
I am really tired of people like Private caboose saying Bungie broke canon.

Why should the books over-rule the story that Bungie created? Why is it up to the fanbase to decide what is canon and what isn't?


Bungie made the god-damn story. And what's really sad is, with a few minor changes, both the Game and the Book can live in harmony.


Just an observation on what I've personally seen, but every thread about this issue I've seen, the OPs who can spell 'canon' correctly always seem to be able to wrap their heads around the fact that game canon supercedes book canon. The opposite is true as well, those who spell it 'cannon' get up in arms about how the game 'needs' to be rewritten to match the book.

  • 02.10.2011 4:06 PM PDT

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I agree actually. Its not that bad of a new story, you cant make a video game TOO in depth. At least not as much as a book.

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  • 02.10.2011 4:15 PM PDT

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I will show you fear in a handful of dust."
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Posted by: Clark 714
I agree actually. Its not that bad of a new story, you cant make a video game TOO in depth. At least not as much as a book.


Oh, it's quite possible to make a game more in-depth, but the story as put forth by Nylund would not have transferred well to a single protagonist game without losing some of the various things that people wanted, such as the sabre combat.

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CoD is a good game, even if the Halo series are better in some aspects. Anyone who insults either is just bad in that game. Grow up.


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Posted by: Clark 714
I agree actually. Its not that bad of a new story, you cant make a video game TOO in depth. At least not as much as a book.


Oh, it's quite possible to make a game more in-depth, but the story as put forth by Nylund would not have transferred well to a single protagonist game without losing some of the various things that people wanted, such as the sabre combat.


They could have have followed through with Noble Team's story, just more hand in hand with The Fall of Reach, there was no need to make such huge changes. It wouldn't have been hard.

  • 02.10.2011 5:46 PM PDT


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: MasterSin

Spartan III training, they modify their armor to suit their needs.

How did Halsey act weird? She didn't trust Noble Team because she knew they were Spartans, but not her Spartans. That and Carter+Kat weren't the kindest to her either. Notice how she acted much differently toward Jorge? Once she learned more about the spartan IIIs (at castle base in First Strike) she then wanted to pull them from the war.

As I said, the PoA landed is about the only one I'll give you. Also, it was fighting a super-cruiser, not a carrier. The first super-carrier to show up in halo universe thus far is the Long Night of Solace.

To last comment, the higher up in special ops you go, the more different they act compared to an average soldier. I'm pretty sure you see a high level squad looking much different then an average one in terms of gear and appearance.


So the other teams didn't need special gears for their very special missions? What needed Noble team that Gray Team and Black Team didn't have? Despite that Gray and Black teams are Spartans II and more valuable than a bunch of Spartans III?

When Dr. Halsey encountered Spartans III she treated them just like her Spartans II and believe me Spartans are not sweet candy, Carter and Kat's behavior are not harder than other and more battered Spartans II (Kurt's attitude is way harder than Kat's and Carter's)

Plus Linda wasn't so much different from Kat with the Spartans III when she arrived at Onyx.


Grey Team : Mark IV armor, far behind enemy lines. If you look, their Mark IV armor is different then the standard Mark IV.
Black Team : Had prototype Mark VI armor.

Also, Spartan II does not auto = more valuable then a Spartan III. The augmentations? Basically the same results. Training? Spartan III training was better. (Kurt and Mendez both knew the Spartan II training, cut the crap from it and made it better. If you think they can't, lol.) Armor? Worse. that is the major factor. If they had Mark IV in the suicide missions, it would have ended much differently. If 300 Spartan II's had SPI and put on those missions, you would have the same end results.

When Dr. Halsey encountered Spartan IIIs on Onyx, she knew what they were, who they were, and what she had planned. When she met Noble team she knew they were Spartans, but not who created them, or who they were. Thus, she didn't trust them. Also, look at when Carter and Halsey were talking. "You followed orders to the letter, and didn't stop to take out a single elite. Are you a puppet?" then "Oh, we could send you to the brig Halsey, trying to mess with Spartans." No Spartan II would treat her like that. Thus she didn't trust Noble Team at first and definitely didn't treat them as she did the others. Notice when She meets the Gamma company ones, they all treat her with respect do to seeing how Kurt treated her.


You definitely know what you're talking about Cmdr. The main difference between the SIIIs and SIIs is the armor, and some minor ones like slightly different, sometimes augmentations that are a little more harmful than good, and combat experience. The different armor and less experience are basically what makes the SIIIs lesser than the SIIs, put them at each other out of armor, it'd probably be a toss-up fight of epic proportions.

Exactly Halsey didn't know anything about Noble Team when she first met them and was suspicious of them because it became obvious to her that ONI was basically stealing her work and excluding her from their Spartan Project, when they had basically told her that any future Spartan projects were aborted because of the costs. And you try being civil if some of your research is witheld and pretty much stolen by one of these said Spartans. Their entire first meeting was hostile because of the circumstances and minor revelations that occurred because of it.

Oh no, there's so much more to the S-II's than the S-III's besides MJOLNIR. There's a reason one class was mass-produced.


Um, sorry, no. The only thing separating the SIIs from the SIIIs is a lack of combat experience and the Mjolner Armor on the SIIIs part. An SIII is just about as effective as an SII, some of them more than others, because not all the candidates match the "perfect" genetic qualifications, and of course there are some SIIIs who are better than all the rest and get put in teams like Noble or Headhunter Pairs. There really is very little separating the two classes of Spartans.

  • 02.10.2011 6:08 PM PDT


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Caboose is an idiot. People have trouble understanding that it is BUNGIE'S story, not Eric Nylund's. TFoR sucked, so boring, and it was more like "Origins of the Spartans and a Small Chapter for Reach"


I don't see Caboose making alternative accounts to criticise other writers on the Gallery and advertise your stories, hypocrite.

TFOR was infinitely better than Reach. TFOR had character development for the Spartans, telling us their story from when they were 6 years old. Nylund is a fantastic writer, that's why he was contracted to write 2 more novels and a story for Evolutions.


If the story is better or not is irrelevant.

I am talking about Bungie's right to change their own story, And I am shocked that forum members think Bungie "broke" canon when infact it is reconning...

The Halo Story Bible wants a word with you.

P.S. Don't even try to argue about canon with ajw; you'll only make yourself look even more like a fool.


I do not believe you have seen the Halo Story Bible either, Alloy; or perhaps I should say ajw, you act an awful lot alike, especially in regards to the Halo Bible. The Halo Bible is EVERYTHING to with EVERY aspect of the Haloverse, games, books, marketing (to at least some degree), comics, anime and videos, and whatever else gets put out there that furthers the story. The makers of the Halo medias, unless it's the games, get a small portion of the Halo Bible containing relevant data to their work and nothing more, the only ones that I know of who have seen the Halo Bible in its entirety are Frankie of 343 and whoever was responsible for it at Bungie. It is essentially the glorified "Author's Notes" for Halo, and whatever state it was in when Nylund got what he needed to write TFoR it has evolved since then, you cannot say what does or not contradict the Halo Story Bible because none of us have ever seen it.

All I've seen ajw do in the posts I've seen is act like a blind troll, his arguments have not been all that strong and he has so far as I have seen based all his arguments in opinion.

  • 02.10.2011 6:21 PM PDT

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  • 02.10.2011 6:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

The Halo Story Bible wants a word with you.

P.S. Don't even try to argue about canon with ajw; you'll only make yourself look even more like a fool.


Oh, so you have read the Halo Bible? Huh, I could have sworn only 343 and Bungie employees are allowed to read it. I could also swear that there are items in it that we haven't even SEEN. Halsey and Keyes relationship and being the parents of Miranda for example.


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Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Oh no, there's so much more to the S-II's than the S-III's besides MJOLNIR. There's a reason one class was mass-produced.


It certainly wasn't because of advances in technology.


The reason Spartan III's were 'mass produced.' Was because A: cheaper due to not having MJOLNIR.
B: Medical advances allowed all of them to survive augmentations.
C: Training was shorter, but better.
D: The Spartan trainees? Orphans from destroyed colonies who matched the genetic requirements. Pretty much all of them volunteered.

C: The training was not "better", but Kurt did what he could with his.
D: Whoops, magically they have the perfect genes and attributes as the original 150 children. No, they were far worse.

  • 02.10.2011 11:43 PM PDT


Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

The Halo Story Bible wants a word with you.

P.S. Don't even try to argue about canon with ajw; you'll only make yourself look even more like a fool.


Oh, so you have read the Halo Bible? Huh, I could have sworn only 343 and Bungie employees are allowed to read it. I could also swear that there are items in it that we haven't even SEEN. Halsey and Keyes relationship and being the parents of Miranda for example.


Posted by: manwith
Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Oh no, there's so much more to the S-II's than the S-III's besides MJOLNIR. There's a reason one class was mass-produced.


It certainly wasn't because of advances in technology.


The reason Spartan III's were 'mass produced.' Was because A: cheaper due to not having MJOLNIR.
B: Medical advances allowed all of them to survive augmentations.
C: Training was shorter, but better.
D: The Spartan trainees? Orphans from destroyed colonies who matched the genetic requirements. Pretty much all of them volunteered.

C: The training was not "better", but Kurt did what he could with his.
D: Whoops, magically they have the perfect genes and attributes as the original 150 children. No, they were far worse.


Really?

"Make the units better with new technology. Make more of them. And make them cheaper."

They would rely on superior battle tactics, teamwork and sheer numbers rather than advanced technology and equipment, to achieve their effectiveness.
The SPARTAN-IIIs were designed to be better trained, cheaper, and expendable.
From http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Spartan_III

Please quote where it is said the training is worse. I have quoted where it says it was better.

Also, Please direct me to exactly where it said their genetics were 'Far worse.' If I remember correctly, it was a wider selection, one which was close to the original genetic selection of spartan II's. I don't remember it ever being labeled as far worse.

Also, just because they were offered, and volunteered(being from destroyed colonies mostly.) doesn't mean they were worse. They still went through a selection process based on genetic compatibility to the augmentations.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

The Halo Story Bible wants a word with you.

P.S. Don't even try to argue about canon with ajw; you'll only make yourself look even more like a fool.


Oh, so you have read the Halo Bible? Huh, I could have sworn only 343 and Bungie employees are allowed to read it. I could also swear that there are items in it that we haven't even SEEN. Halsey and Keyes relationship and being the parents of Miranda for example.


Posted by: manwith
Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Oh no, there's so much more to the S-II's than the S-III's besides MJOLNIR. There's a reason one class was mass-produced.


It certainly wasn't because of advances in technology.


The reason Spartan III's were 'mass produced.' Was because A: cheaper due to not having MJOLNIR.
B: Medical advances allowed all of them to survive augmentations.
C: Training was shorter, but better.
D: The Spartan trainees? Orphans from destroyed colonies who matched the genetic requirements. Pretty much all of them volunteered.


lol, I know, I was just being sarcastic.

  • 02.11.2011 12:15 AM PDT


Posted by: manwith
lol, I know, I was just being sarcastic.


I figured you were, hard to tell sometimes though. My reply was more directed at the other guy though.

  • 02.11.2011 12:26 AM PDT

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Because Bungie made the books and then destroyed their own stories.

  • 02.11.2011 12:26 AM PDT

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I am really tired of people like Private caboose saying Bungie broke canon.


Why hello to you too.

Why should the books over-rule the story that Bungie created? Why is it up to the fanbase to decide what is canon and what isn't?


Bungie created the books too, you know. Joe Staten, you've heard him right, the guy in charge of Halo 3, and ODST's campaign story? Yeah, he wrote one of the novels himself.

The book canon and the game canon were one in the same, until Reach...


Hello to you.


Joe staten was also the same guy who said Games overrule books in canon.

SO like I said, its bungie's choice, not ours.

  • 02.11.2011 5:13 AM PDT

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Because the fan base think they know better than the creators of the story. They don't.


Unless you are mentally retarded and can't note the obvious between one thing from another!

Bungie created Halo: CE and created Halo: Reach ok? They are technically contradicting themselfs, unless like I said you are mentally retarded and cannot notice the obvious.

Example? there were no loadouts in CE but they were in Reach, but we never saw ever again being used in Halo: CE by the elites, why?

Because Bungie doesn't care, they passed the Torch to Microsoft, it's their problem now, to fix their lazyness.


because the game would be -blam!- dull if i'd only be using a plasma pistol and magnum again?

  • 02.11.2011 5:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Pipboy 3050
I am really tired of people like Private caboose saying Bungie broke canon.


Why hello to you too.

Why should the books over-rule the story that Bungie created? Why is it up to the fanbase to decide what is canon and what isn't?


Bungie created the books too, you know. Joe Staten, you've heard him right, the guy in charge of Halo 3, and ODST's campaign story? Yeah, he wrote one of the novels himself.

The book canon and the game canon were one in the same, until Reach...


Hello to you.


Joe staten was also the same guy who said Games overrule books in canon.

SO like I said, its bungie's choice, not ours.

You're not getting the point here; they broke established canon.

Bungie tells you X is X. Ten years later they tell you that X is now Y. Do you just follow along; blindly accepting whatever Bungie does, or do you take a stand and go with the version that's been accepted for 10 years?

  • 02.11.2011 5:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

The Halo Story Bible wants a word with you.

P.S. Don't even try to argue about canon with ajw; you'll only make yourself look even more like a fool.


Oh, so you have read the Halo Bible? Huh, I could have sworn only 343 and Bungie employees are allowed to read it. I could also swear that there are items in it that we haven't even SEEN. Halsey and Keyes relationship and being the parents of Miranda for example.


Posted by: manwith
Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Oh no, there's so much more to the S-II's than the S-III's besides MJOLNIR. There's a reason one class was mass-produced.


It certainly wasn't because of advances in technology.


The reason Spartan III's were 'mass produced.' Was because A: cheaper due to not having MJOLNIR.
B: Medical advances allowed all of them to survive augmentations.
C: Training was shorter, but better.
D: The Spartan trainees? Orphans from destroyed colonies who matched the genetic requirements. Pretty much all of them volunteered.

C: The training was not "better", but Kurt did what he could with his.
D: Whoops, magically they have the perfect genes and attributes as the original 150 children. No, they were far worse.


Really?

"Make the units better with new technology. Make more of them. And make them cheaper."

They would rely on superior battle tactics, teamwork and sheer numbers rather than advanced technology and equipment, to achieve their effectiveness.
The SPARTAN-IIIs were designed to be better trained, cheaper, and expendable.
From http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Spartan_III

Please quote where it is said the training is worse. I have quoted where it says it was better.

Also, Please direct me to exactly where it said their genetics were 'Far worse.' If I remember correctly, it was a wider selection, one which was close to the original genetic selection of spartan II's. I don't remember it ever being labeled as far worse.

Also, just because they were offered, and volunteered(being from destroyed colonies mostly.) doesn't mean they were worse. They still went through a selection process based on genetic compatibility to the augmentations.

At first you say the II's are better because of their technology, and now you say the III's are "better with new technology"?

  • 02.11.2011 6:12 AM PDT

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  • 02.11.2011 6:52 AM PDT

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The Spartans III weren't worse than Spartans II, the genetic pool was less perfect than the Spartans II, but they didn't match completely, ONI accepted less requirements requested by Halsey, that's why the Spartans III were more aggresive and less in control, so much that they couldn't even control their behavior causing to fight eachother.

But I don't know what other technologies people is talking about, so much technologie that Noble team had to borrow Spartan-II armors.

This is highly reflected on Emile's behavior.

[Edited on 02.11.2011 7:21 AM PST]

  • 02.11.2011 7:18 AM PDT


Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

At first you say the II's are better because of their technology, and now you say the III's are "better with new technology"?


Spartan II's had more advanced, and high quality gear. I didn't say the III's are better because what they used (gear wise.) I said training and augmentations were better because of new tech and methods.

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It's Bungies choice for sure.

That does not make it any better. The new story is still terrible, plot holes are still obvious and every change Bungie made was made for no decent reason at all.

If they changed things for gameplay reasons, like prolonging the battle in order to have a longer campaign, that would have been somewhat acceptable. But they didnt, they just changed things for no reason.

  • 02.11.2011 7:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Pipboy 3050
I am really tired of people like Private caboose saying Bungie broke canon.


Why hello to you too.

Why should the books over-rule the story that Bungie created? Why is it up to the fanbase to decide what is canon and what isn't?


Bungie created the books too, you know. Joe Staten, you've heard him right, the guy in charge of Halo 3, and ODST's campaign story? Yeah, he wrote one of the novels himself.

The book canon and the game canon were one in the same, until Reach...


Hello to you.


Joe staten was also the same guy who said Games overrule books in canon.

SO like I said, its bungie's choice, not ours.


Source?

P.S. Some of Harvest's canon did not make sense, after Halo: Contact Harvest came out. Guess what. Joe himself wrote Contact Harvest.

So if Joe actually said that Games overrule books in canon, why the heck did he even write a Halo novel in the first place?

  • 02.11.2011 7:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Pipboy 3050
I am really tired of people like Private caboose saying Bungie broke canon.


Why hello to you too.

Why should the books over-rule the story that Bungie created? Why is it up to the fanbase to decide what is canon and what isn't?


Bungie created the books too, you know. Joe Staten, you've heard him right, the guy in charge of Halo 3, and ODST's campaign story? Yeah, he wrote one of the novels himself.

The book canon and the game canon were one in the same, until Reach...


Hello to you.


Joe staten was also the same guy who said Games overrule books in canon.

SO like I said, its bungie's choice, not ours.


Source?

P.S. Some of Harvest's canon did not make sense, after Halo: Contact Harvest came out. Guess what. Joe himself wrote Contact Harvest.

So if Joe actually said that Games overrule books in canon, why the heck did he even write a Halo novel in the first place?

Things does not have to contradict eachother.

  • 02.11.2011 8:09 AM PDT

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Posted by: OrderedComa
All I've seen ajw do in the posts I've seen is act like a blind troll, his arguments have not been all that strong and he has so far as I have seen based all his arguments in opinion.


What I've come to expect from these forums now, nothing but arrogant hostility...

Your haven't been strong in your arguments either, we don't have to have seen the HSB to know that Reach broke canon. The facts are there.

TFOR, First Strike, Ghosts of Onyx and Halo Evolutions state that the battle is 1 days long. The novels were all written with the HSB used as reference, now with Reach the Covenant arrive at Reach in July and the actual battle begins August 14th when the Fleet of Particular Justice arrive just after the Long Night of Solace is destroyed.

On the subject of the Long Night of Solace, how the hell did it manage to exit slipspace by the planet without being detected? It's a Supercarrier, it's about 27 kilometers long and none of the UNSC orbital stations managed to see it coming.

The Covenant could cloak thier ships. They are portraying the Covenant as being too intuitive now. If the Covenant had that ability, then ship-to-ship battles would be instant loses for the UNSC every single time.

Realistically, it would obliterate UNSC forces on the ground easily. Plasma launchers, tactical shield towers, trans-location devices, Radar jammers. It sort of defeats the image of an enemy constantly referred to as "imitative" who cannot create its own ideas for technology and apply them properly, who also rely on brute force to win rather than clever strategy and tactics.

We also have to assume that the Covenant somehow has perfected the process of a silent slipstream transition (Intuition and science that they do not have), otherwise that AC would have been detected.

With this technology, they could cloak an entire Armada, silently slip in-system undetected, use radar jamming to prevent further detection, position themselves and then decisively slit the UNSCs metaphorical throat.

We know that Halcyon-class ships aren't rated for atmosphere, it makes no sense for the Autumn to have been dry-docked when it should have had the Spartans preparing for Operation: RED FLAG on it, but no, RED FLAG can never have happened because Halsey was under SWORD Base with the Cortana fragment examining the "Latchkey" artefact which made absolutely no sense at all.

It had to go through a very long warm-up process. If it docked planetside (onto a planet in the process of being overrun and glassed, I might add) to collect nothing more than an AI chip, they would have left engines running, to leave at a moments notice. But no, it was docked there for over a day.

It had been there a very long time, and they were starting it up for the first time.

Think of it like pulling up outside a store and your friend going inside to buy whatever. Instead of leaving the engine running, you've turned off the engine and put the keys in your pocket. What for?

In case you don't remember, PoA came stupidly close to being glassed by a CCS Battlecruiser. If they had just 'pulled up' to pick up Cortana, then they would not have shut down the engines, leaving them open to just such a possibility.

Carter, Emile and Jun are 5 years too old to be Spartan-IIIs in Alpha Company. Kurt states that there were 470 children aged 4-6 that arrived on Onyx. Spartan candidates CANNOT receive the augmentations if they are in puberty, or finished with it. This was what caused all the deaths with ORION, and thus, Carter/Emile/Jun's age is solidified as a canon error - as they would have been in puberty when they received the augments.

Also, the Cole Protocol. In the case any Covenant are detected, all NAV bases and ships purge their computers of information to protect Earth and the other inner colonies.

If Covenant are detected on Reach on July 23rd, how is it that a month later, there are still computers with information to Earth still active? If ONI hadn't taken more than a month, then Blue team wouldn't have been deployed to the Circumference, and James wouldn't have died, and Linda wouldn't have been in a coma. In fact, they would have been on Reach with Red Team.

There was almost no military presence on Reach either. The novels always refer to it as humanity's military base, their most equipped bastion, yet in the game you are on a farming planet with a few small military bases scattered around.

  • 02.11.2011 8:48 AM PDT

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Posted by: Pipboy 3050
Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Pipboy 3050
I am really tired of people like Private caboose saying Bungie broke canon.


Why hello to you too.

Why should the books over-rule the story that Bungie created? Why is it up to the fanbase to decide what is canon and what isn't?


Bungie created the books too, you know. Joe Staten, you've heard him right, the guy in charge of Halo 3, and ODST's campaign story? Yeah, he wrote one of the novels himself.

The book canon and the game canon were one in the same, until Reach...


Hello to you.


Joe staten was also the same guy who said Games overrule books in canon.

SO like I said, its bungie's choice, not ours.


Source?

P.S. Some of Harvest's canon did not make sense, after Halo: Contact Harvest came out. Guess what. Joe himself wrote Contact Harvest.

So if Joe actually said that Games overrule books in canon, why the heck did he even write a Halo novel in the first place?


Contact Harvest only had 1 canonical error, when it said "December 21, 2525" instead of "December 21, 2524".

  • 02.11.2011 8:51 AM PDT

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ajw34307 Is totally right, how come Reach the military prowess of mankind, the origin of Spartans and has the largest UNSC fleet don't have for a example a single Nuke?

Just how many nuclear bombs the U.S. has alone? how come a whole military base planet like Reach, which is proclaimed by the books and games to be the strongest military human planet not to have a single nuclear bomb?

The Covenant super carrier was stealth at all, how come it didn't destroyed the SMACS? before the Fleet of Particular Justice arrived? that would have saved a lot of Covenant warships to be blown to hell.

How come Halsey knew about Forurunner structures on Reach, but the Fall of REach she had no idea at all, she was all surprised when found about the excavations below Castle base, she had NO IDEA about the Forerunners structures on Reach.

Bungie can do whatever they want with their canon but as stated before, the story is awful, with plotholes everywhere, and many of them are even contradictory not for the books, but for the games alone.

  • 02.11.2011 10:00 AM PDT