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I don't think any nuke besides NOVA would do anything against a Covenant super carrier unless you're putting the nuke inside the carrier.

I don't think Reach has any that kind of nuke available to them they could get their hands at within 48 hours.

[Edited on 02.11.2011 10:55 AM PST]

  • 02.11.2011 10:54 AM PDT

"A LIE is a LIE"


- Truly intelligent and deep Black ops trailer


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Posted by: privet caboose
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I am really tired of people like Private caboose saying Bungie broke canon.


Why hello to you too.

Why should the books over-rule the story that Bungie created? Why is it up to the fanbase to decide what is canon and what isn't?


Bungie created the books too, you know. Joe Staten, you've heard him right, the guy in charge of Halo 3, and ODST's campaign story? Yeah, he wrote one of the novels himself.

The book canon and the game canon were one in the same, until Reach...


Hello to you.


Joe staten was also the same guy who said Games overrule books in canon.

SO like I said, its bungie's choice, not ours.

You're not getting the point here; they broke established canon.

Bungie tells you X is X. Ten years later they tell you that X is now Y. Do you just follow along; blindly accepting whatever Bungie does, or do you take a stand and go with the version that's been accepted for 10 years?


Sorry, I kinda coughed up when you said "10 years" Really, Halo reach did not Break CE canon at all. I suggest you re-form your argument. FOR was established canon by PART of the fanabase, while bungie has been saying that game over-rule canon over everything else.

So my point stands. Bungie's canon. Bungie writes the stories. Bungie gave us the game. I am going to take a stand and say it is up to them, not you, to decide the story.

[Edited on 02.11.2011 11:02 AM PST]

  • 02.11.2011 10:56 AM PDT

"A LIE is a LIE"


- Truly intelligent and deep Black ops trailer


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Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Pipboy 3050
I am really tired of people like Private caboose saying Bungie broke canon.


Why hello to you too.

Why should the books over-rule the story that Bungie created? Why is it up to the fanbase to decide what is canon and what isn't?


Bungie created the books too, you know. Joe Staten, you've heard him right, the guy in charge of Halo 3, and ODST's campaign story? Yeah, he wrote one of the novels himself.

The book canon and the game canon were one in the same, until Reach...


Hello to you.


Joe staten was also the same guy who said Games overrule books in canon.

SO like I said, its bungie's choice, not ours.


Source?

P.S. Some of Harvest's canon did not make sense, after Halo: Contact Harvest came out. Guess what. Joe himself wrote Contact Harvest.

So if Joe actually said that Games overrule books in canon, why the heck did he even write a Halo novel in the first place?




Joseph Staten About the Halo Canon - keep up to speed

"Why the heck did he even write a Halo novel?" Use your head. Maybe he enjoys it. Maybe he wanted to input his own, personal expansion of the story.Maybe he wants a bigger pay-check.

I mean, Jeo staten has put alot more work into Halo games than novels, so obviously he would want games to override canon.

  • 02.11.2011 11:02 AM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

How did the Covenant know to utilize these stealth measures at this time? How did they know Reach was a Human world with extensive defenses like that?

The UNSC can detect large masses in slipspace due to increased gravitational effects. A 27km long chunk of metal (Which would be huge in terms of mass) would leave a considerable dent in slipspace.

I guess the fact about Covenant Cloaking technology producing heat in The Flood has been retconned then. Otherwise even simple weather satellites would detect the massive thermal anomaly.


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"Oddly, this is familiar to you, as if it were from an old dream, but you can't exactly remember..."

:P

  • 02.11.2011 11:23 AM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.


Posted by: hotshot revan II
*facewall*

Microsoft owns Halo.

Why should bungie ruin an amesome story by maki,g their own version of it,wich failed hard .

  • 02.11.2011 11:55 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

About the whole "Spartan III's are just as good if not better than II's" argument.

Spartan II's were trained intensely for EIGHT years, were all the same age, had the "best of the best" genes in the Human race, and all received augmentations via surgery. They have 20+ years of combat experience. At age 14, BEFORE chief was augmented(I'm pretty sure, can't confirm at the moment) he killed three ODST's in hand to hand combat...with ease. That alone shows a II's skill.

Spartan III's were trained for FIVE years, but Kurt/Mendez made their training more intense and they had to cut corners to meet the time frame. These III's were between 4-6 years old, had good genes, but not "the best" as there wasn't enough "perfect" genes to go around in the proper age groups, and the received their augments via drugs/chemicals.

You can try and argue that "III's had better training," but this obviously isn't the case. Kurt himself notes that Alphas demise on PROMETHEUS was due to their complete lack of unit cohesion and says that they fell apart on the operation. They weren't trained good enough. The Spartan II's, and Kurt, comment on how uneasy, jumpy, and twitchy Gamma company is on Oynx, while the II's are completely fine and calm. Kelly goes toe-to-toe with a Spartan III when she first lands on Oynx, and she was MUCH faster and stronger than the III, easily overpowering her.

You can try to argue this point all you want, but the fact is while the III's were amazing soldiers, the II's were still superior.

  • 02.11.2011 12:46 PM PDT
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Funny how people compare 41 year old Spartan-IIs with Mark V/VI against 12-19 year old Spartan-IIIs with SPI.

  • 02.11.2011 12:53 PM PDT


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About the whole "Spartan III's are just as good if not better than II's" argument.

Spartan II's were trained intensely for EIGHT years, were all the same age, had the "best of the best" genes in the Human race, and all received augmentations via surgery. They have 20+ years of combat experience. At age 14, BEFORE chief was augmented(I'm pretty sure, can't confirm at the moment) he killed three ODST's in hand to hand combat...with ease. That alone shows a II's skill.

Spartan III's were trained for FIVE years, but Kurt/Mendez made their training more intense and they had to cut corners to meet the time frame. These III's were between 4-6 years old, had good genes, but not "the best" as there wasn't enough "perfect" genes to go around in the proper age groups, and the received their augments via drugs/chemicals.

You can try and argue that "III's had better training," but this obviously isn't the case. Kurt himself notes that Alphas demise on PROMETHEUS was due to their complete lack of unit cohesion and says that they fell apart on the operation. They weren't trained good enough. The Spartan II's, and Kurt, comment on how uneasy, jumpy, and twitchy Gamma company is on Oynx, while the II's are completely fine and calm. Kelly goes toe-to-toe with a Spartan III when she first lands on Oynx, and she was MUCH faster and stronger than the III, easily overpowering her.

You can try to argue this point all you want, but the fact is while the III's were amazing soldiers, the II's were still superior.


Chief was augmented, and the fight with ODST's doesn't count for anything. Why? Two facts.
Chief didn't know his own strength.
The ODST's underestimated his strength.

About Alpha's demise, I remember unit cohesion was lost only at the rear end of the battle.

To AJW We know that Halcyon-class ships aren't rated for atmosphere, it makes no sense for the Autumn to have been dry-docked when it should have had the Spartans preparing for Operation: RED FLAG on it, but no, RED FLAG can never have happened because Halsey was under SWORD Base with the Cortana fragment examining the "Latchkey" artefact which made absolutely no sense at all.

As I have said, rated for atmosphere may simply mean 'It can't do much of anything, or support itself in atmosphere.' Anyway, you must not have read the journal, as Halsey left sword base and briefed the Spartan II's.

also
There was almost no military presence on Reach either. The novels always refer to it as humanity's military base, their most equipped bastion, yet in the game you are on a farming planet with a few small military bases scattered around.


Halo Reach was shown from the viewpoint of Six, and Six ALONE. Until you provide me with evidence that Six toured the entire planet in the game, visiting every UNSC base and defensive line, I'll remain in the logical viewpoint. "Six didn't see every defense Reach had."

ODP? I remember they are quoted as being all together. The super carrier wouldn't have stayed in orbit within firing range of one.

  • 02.11.2011 12:57 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

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As I have said, rated for atmosphere may simply mean 'It can't do much of anything, or support itself in atmosphere.' Anyway, you must not have read the journal, as Halsey left sword base and briefed the Spartan II's.


Can you explain to me how she managed to leave sword base, while it was under covenant control, and then RETURN to sword base, while it was under covenant control, without being killed?

  • 02.11.2011 12:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron



As I have said, rated for atmosphere may simply mean 'It can't do much of anything, or support itself in atmosphere.' Anyway, you must not have read the journal, as Halsey left sword base and briefed the Spartan II's.


Can you explain to me how she managed to leave sword base, while it was under covenant control, and then RETURN to sword base, while it was under covenant control, without being killed?


Why not?

She doesn't have to use the main entrance. There's a secret route you can see at the end of Package where they leave with two pelicans. That, or she used another secret entrance that is deep underground where her lab is located.

  • 02.11.2011 1:25 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

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As I have said, rated for atmosphere may simply mean 'It can't do much of anything, or support itself in atmosphere.' Anyway, you must not have read the journal, as Halsey left sword base and briefed the Spartan II's.


Can you explain to me how she managed to leave sword base, while it was under covenant control, and then RETURN to sword base, while it was under covenant control, without being killed?


Why not?

She doesn't have to use the main entrance. There's a secret route you can see at the end of Package where they leave with two pelicans. That, or she used another secret entrance that is deep underground where her lab is located.


...Really. She's going to go into Covenant territory and just sit there.

  • 02.11.2011 1:27 PM PDT


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As I have said, rated for atmosphere may simply mean 'It can't do much of anything, or support itself in atmosphere.' Anyway, you must not have read the journal, as Halsey left sword base and briefed the Spartan II's.


Can you explain to me how she managed to leave sword base, while it was under covenant control, and then RETURN to sword base, while it was under covenant control, without being killed?


Why not?

She doesn't have to use the main entrance. There's a secret route you can see at the end of Package where they leave with two pelicans. That, or she used another secret entrance that is deep underground where her lab is located.


...Really. She's going to go into Covenant territory and just sit there.


You know, I could have sworn at the end of the Sword Base mission all Covenant in the area was cleared. Her Journal clearly says she left and talked to Sara, then did other things.(Including the briefing.)

Then later, she returns before the Covenant attack it a second time.

  • 02.11.2011 1:31 PM PDT

Fight to the end, and give it your all.

I actually didn't mind the changes in Canon in Reach's campaign. They did make the damn franchise, they did make several Halo games, and if they need to alter timelines and events to make the story they are going for then so be it. I really don't see how well a story can hold if Reach stuck to being a one day battle.

  • 02.11.2011 2:12 PM PDT

If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

yet.


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Posted by: privet caboose
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I am really tired of people like Private caboose saying Bungie broke canon.


Why hello to you too.

Why should the books over-rule the story that Bungie created? Why is it up to the fanbase to decide what is canon and what isn't?


Bungie created the books too, you know. Joe Staten, you've heard him right, the guy in charge of Halo 3, and ODST's campaign story? Yeah, he wrote one of the novels himself.

The book canon and the game canon were one in the same, until Reach...


Hello to you.


Joe staten was also the same guy who said Games overrule books in canon.

SO like I said, its bungie's choice, not ours.

You're not getting the point here; they broke established canon.

Bungie tells you X is X. Ten years later they tell you that X is now Y. Do you just follow along; blindly accepting whatever Bungie does, or do you take a stand and go with the version that's been accepted for 10 years?


Sorry, I kinda coughed up when you said "10 years" Really, Halo reach did not Break CE canon at all. I suggest you re-form your argument. FOR was established canon by PART of the fanabase, while bungie has been saying that game over-rule canon over everything else.

So my point stands. Bungie's canon. Bungie writes the stories. Bungie gave us the game. I am going to take a stand and say it is up to them, not you, to decide the story.

TFoR, mio.

  • 02.11.2011 2:14 PM PDT
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We don't actually know precisely when Halsey returned to Sword Base but it's possible she returned there before the Covenant attacked it second time, or if they did Spartans and other UNSC personnel could have escorted her there with the way I mentioned above.

  • 02.11.2011 2:28 PM PDT

Posted By:ajw34307
What I've come to expect from these forums now, nothing but arrogant hostility...

Your haven't been strong in your arguments either, we don't have to have seen the HSB to know that Reach broke canon. The facts are there.


I'm not trying to be arrogant, sorry if I came across that way, I was merely stating what I had seen in your posts so far.

My weakest arguments have been with you over the HSB because there is not enough evidence regarding it to have either side have a strong argument. You can argue that there is evidence to say Reach messed up canon, however using the HSB as evidence weakens your argument and is flawed reasoning.

TFOR, First Strike, Ghosts of Onyx and Halo Evolutions state that the battle is 1 days long. The novels were all written with the HSB used as reference, now with Reach the Covenant arrive at Reach in July and the actual battle begins August 14th when the Fleet of Particular Justice arrive just after the Long Night of Solace is destroyed.

Yes they used parts of the HSB to write the books, but the games come from it as well, the HSB is a constantly evolving thing. TFoR used old information, and due to the nature of the HSB at the time of Halo's conception very little was constant at that point, I'm a writer, I know how the story conception process and early phases of the story work. And the extending of the battle makes much more sense than Reach falling in a little under a couple hours. Falling in hours makes the UNSC look like moronic apes with no knowledge of combat at all. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, having the SMACs which can gut a Covenant cruiser in one strike, almost their entire fleet present, great military minds such as Keyes present, and the Covenant fleet was in the proportions the books state the UNSC need to win. I'm not saying the UNSC should have won, but I am saying the fight should have lasted a hell of a lot longer than about two hours.

On the subject of the Long Night of Solace, how the hell did it manage to exit slipspace by the planet without being detected? It's a Supercarrier, it's about 27 kilometers long and none of the UNSC orbital stations managed to see it coming.

The Covenant could cloak thier ships. They are portraying the Covenant as being too intuitive now. If the Covenant had that ability, then ship-to-ship battles would be instant loses for the UNSC every single time.

Realistically, it would obliterate UNSC forces on the ground easily. Plasma launchers, tactical shield towers, trans-location devices, Radar jammers. It sort of defeats the image of an enemy constantly referred to as "imitative" who cannot create its own ideas for technology and apply them properly, who also rely on brute force to win rather than clever strategy and tactics.

We also have to assume that the Covenant somehow has perfected the process of a silent slipstream transition (Intuition and science that they do not have), otherwise that AC would have been detected.

With this technology, they could cloak an entire Armada, silently slip in-system undetected, use radar jamming to prevent further detection, position themselves and then decisively slit the UNSCs metaphorical throat.


I have no answer for how it got there, we just don't know yet, but that is not a plot hole, we don't know what technology the Covenant is capable of replicating off Forerunner tech, hell we know next to nothing about the Forerunners yet, advanced stealth tech is not out of the question, I don't think it's entirely likely though.

The cloaking field around the LNoS in Tip of the Spear was not being emitted by the ship itself, that the was the Spires, and when Grafton destroyed one the cloak failed and revealed the ship. The Covenant are not idiots, just because they do not invent new technology does not mean they are utter morons. And it is only in their use of technology that they are imitative and not strategy, they are brilliant strategists, relying more on brute force to win does not mean they are tactically incompetent, it means they have the better army and do not need to rely as much on tactics as they would against someone their equal in technological might.

And just because one ship might have stealth tech we've never seen before does not mean that they could easily apply it to all their tech, and even if they are imitative they would have to study the Forerunner tech before utilizing it, and that is not something they averse to, it is trying to improve Forerunner tech that they believe to be heresy.

We know that Halcyon-class ships aren't rated for atmosphere, it makes no sense for the Autumn to have been dry-docked when it should have had the Spartans preparing for Operation: RED FLAG on it, but no, RED FLAG can never have happened because Halsey was under SWORD Base with the Cortana fragment examining the "Latchkey" artefact which made absolutely no sense at all.

It had to go through a very long warm-up process. If it docked planetside (onto a planet in the process of being overrun and glassed, I might add) to collect nothing more than an AI chip, they would have left engines running, to leave at a moments notice. But no, it was docked there for over a day.

It had been there a very long time, and they were starting it up for the first time.

Think of it like pulling up outside a store and your friend going inside to buy whatever. Instead of leaving the engine running, you've turned off the engine and put the keys in your pocket. What for?

In case you don't remember, PoA came stupidly close to being glassed by a CCS Battlecruiser. If they had just 'pulled up' to pick up Cortana, then they would not have shut down the engines, leaving them open to just such a possibility.


The Autumn is on Reach after the space events depicted at the end of TFoR. After picking up Blue Team+marines from the Circumference op Halsey calls Keyes down to Aszod to retrieve the Cortana fragment. And this works because the Circumference Op occurs in the early morning of the 30th, between 0600 and 0630 hours. And then the last mission of Reach occurs at around 16:52 hours, which is about 5 o'clock civilian time. That's about a good 10 hour difference. And as for your claims about it being shut off, it wasn't shut off, it was fully powered up, there is a vast difference between a ship being powered down and starting up the launch sequence. I don't think ships of the Autumn's size even can be turned "off".

And Red Flag can have happened, and still does in the way it did in the book, Halsey would have gotten out and back in the same way you leave. Obviously the Covenant did not know about wherever that landing pad was, otherwise two Pelicans could not have been sitting there completely unharmed. Halsey easily can have gone and returned to finish overseeing the Cortana Fragment's research on the data from the Forerunner artifact.

Carter, Emile and Jun are 5 years too old to be Spartan-IIIs in Alpha Company. Kurt states that there were 470 children aged 4-6 that arrived on Onyx. Spartan candidates CANNOT receive the augmentations if they are in puberty, or finished with it. This was what caused all the deaths with ORION, and thus, Carter/Emile/Jun's age is solidified as a canon error - as they would have been in puberty when they received the augments.

Also, the Cole Protocol. In the case any Covenant are detected, all NAV bases and ships purge their computers of information to protect Earth and the other inner colonies.

If Covenant are detected on Reach on July 23rd, how is it that a month later, there are still computers with information to Earth still active? If ONI hadn't taken more than a month, then Blue team wouldn't have been deployed to the Circumference, and James wouldn't have died, and Linda wouldn't have been in a coma. In fact, they would have been on Reach with Red Team.

There was almost no military presence on Reach either. The novels always refer to it as humanity's military base, their most equipped bastion, yet in the game you are on a farming planet with a few small military bases scattered around.


You have to remember that none of the ages in Halo can really be taken completely literally because of Cryo freezing. Like Chief, he's about 40 something years old, but he's still young bodily because of time spent in Cryo. And also they had made big strides in the augmentation process by the time the IIIs were being made. If they can create Spartans with a 100% survival rate they can take in kids and augment them if they are close to puberty. And also take into account that people go into puberty at different times too, there is no clear cut line in the sand for when it starts.

My understanding of the Cole Protocol has been that nav databases were purged only when they were in direct danger of being captured by the Covenant, IE the Covies would be passing by the station/ship or if said object was in a battle ground, like there was still information within Castle Base when the Covies started trying to get inside it in FS.

The game does not need to show Reach's military strength because of the books and other media talking about Reach, and Bungie said that the game was not taking place anywhere near the areas depicted in TFoR and FS, so we wouldn't be seeing the SMACs or the generators. And the first level is never in any indication of what the rest of a planet is like, unless it's a single biome planet like Hoth or Kamino in Star Wars. Reach does not resemble a "farming planet" in any way, you see more military bases and installations and the military presence is far larger than any of the other games so far.

[Edited on 02.11.2011 3:47 PM PST]

  • 02.11.2011 3:45 PM PDT

Dark Neptune, a young amateur astronomer whose gaming life is no different from other teenagers of his age, though he controls it more strictly then others.


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Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Pipboy 3050
I am really tired of people like Private caboose saying Bungie broke canon.


Why hello to you too.

Why should the books over-rule the story that Bungie created? Why is it up to the fanbase to decide what is canon and what isn't?


Bungie created the books too, you know. Joe Staten, you've heard him right, the guy in charge of Halo 3, and ODST's campaign story? Yeah, he wrote one of the novels himself.

The book canon and the game canon were one in the same, until Reach...


Hello to you.


Joe staten was also the same guy who said Games overrule books in canon.

SO like I said, its bungie's choice, not ours.

You're not getting the point here; they broke established canon.

Bungie tells you X is X. Ten years later they tell you that X is now Y. Do you just follow along; blindly accepting whatever Bungie does, or do you take a stand and go with the version that's been accepted for 10 years?


Sorry, I kinda coughed up when you said "10 years" Really, Halo reach did not Break CE canon at all. I suggest you re-form your argument. FOR was established canon by PART of the fanabase, while bungie has been saying that game over-rule canon over everything else.

So my point stands. Bungie's canon. Bungie writes the stories. Bungie gave us the game. I am going to take a stand and say it is up to them, not you, to decide the story.


That's the part where you go all the way down the drain dead-wrong. This isn't about Halo: CE canon. Heck, FoR wasn't part of the fanbase. Eric isn't a Halo fanboy, just an author that's hired by MS for his work to write the first Halo novel.

As per the Joe-Staten Harvest stuff, remember, that was before Reach got released. No one complained so much canon-breaking issues, so Joe sought to instil ease among the fanbase.

And just because he put in more effort into games doesn't mean he "obviously" wants.

  • 02.11.2011 4:24 PM PDT

Dark Neptune, a young amateur astronomer whose gaming life is no different from other teenagers of his age, though he controls it more strictly then others.


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Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Pipboy 3050
I am really tired of people like Private caboose saying Bungie broke canon.


Why hello to you too.

Why should the books over-rule the story that Bungie created? Why is it up to the fanbase to decide what is canon and what isn't?


Bungie created the books too, you know. Joe Staten, you've heard him right, the guy in charge of Halo 3, and ODST's campaign story? Yeah, he wrote one of the novels himself.

The book canon and the game canon were one in the same, until Reach...


Hello to you.


Joe staten was also the same guy who said Games overrule books in canon.

SO like I said, its bungie's choice, not ours.

You're not getting the point here; they broke established canon.

Bungie tells you X is X. Ten years later they tell you that X is now Y. Do you just follow along; blindly accepting whatever Bungie does, or do you take a stand and go with the version that's been accepted for 10 years?


Sorry, I kinda coughed up when you said "10 years" Really, Halo reach did not Break CE canon at all. I suggest you re-form your argument. FOR was established canon by PART of the fanabase, while bungie has been saying that game over-rule canon over everything else.

So my point stands. Bungie's canon. Bungie writes the stories. Bungie gave us the game. I am going to take a stand and say it is up to them, not you, to decide the story.


Only idiots like you will say that.

We aren't deciding the story, because that would ruin any anticipation and love we can get. If we decide a story, it gets predictable, and pretty soon, boring and uninteresting.

And it's pretty obvious you haven't followed Bungie for many years; because your knowledge of these Halo facts seem limited. People I see defending Reach these days are people who are Bungie fanboys and surprisingly don't bother going into the specifics.

P.S. You don't get paid by taking a stand and standing up to Bungie.

  • 02.11.2011 4:29 PM PDT

it fell in the books because thats what the peope were told to believe 1 day it fell and it did the advance party was pulled off untill august the 30th were the fleet of particular justics's fleet attacked reach making it full in you guessed it 1 day

  • 02.11.2011 5:49 PM PDT

"A LIE is a LIE"


- Truly intelligent and deep Black ops trailer




Posted by: Dark Neptune


We aren't deciding the story, because that would ruin any anticipation and love we can get. If we decide a story, it gets predictable, and pretty soon, boring and uninteresting.

And it's pretty obvious you haven't followed Bungie for many years; because your knowledge of these Halo facts seem limited. People I see defending Reach these days are people who are Bungie fanboys and surprisingly don't bother going into the specifics.

P.S. You don't get paid by taking a stand and standing up to Bungie.


You misunderstand to the extreme. When I say you decide the story, I don't mean new instalments, I mean previous instalments into the halo franchise, like Halo:Reach and TFOR. And yes, you like many other people, are attempting to decide the canon (aka the story) of Halo - which is bungie's choice.

As for me not following bungie for many years, please explain. I have been playing Halo for a long time, and following the story. I'd also like to know what I have done which makes my knowledge of halo "facts" seem limited - to you.


You say I don't get into specifics, while I could say you don't look at the big picture.

P.S "You don't get paid by taking a stand and standing up to Bungie" I'm not standing up to Bungie...

  • 02.12.2011 4:32 AM PDT

"A LIE is a LIE"


- Truly intelligent and deep Black ops trailer


Posted by: Dark Neptune


That's the part where you go all the way down the drain dead-wrong. This isn't about Halo: CE canon. Heck, FoR wasn't part of the fanbase. Eric isn't a Halo fanboy, just an author that's hired by MS for his work to write the first Halo novel.

As per the Joe-Staten Harvest stuff, remember, that was before Reach got released. No one complained so much canon-breaking issues, so Joe sought to instil ease among the fanbase.

And just because he put in more effort into games doesn't mean he "obviously" wants.




When did I say Eric was a "Halo fanboy"?

Stop attempting to make it look like I'm saying completely bogus stuff. I just said FoR was accepted by part of the Halo fan-base as full on canon - something which Joe staten responded to 3 years before the release of the Halo:reach game.

A bungie official said 3 years before the release that games over-ride books in canon, yet people like you are still outraged 3 years LATER about books contradicting games in canon.

Well, you were told 3 years ago. It's not Bungie's fault that you didn't prepare for some reconning.

  • 02.12.2011 7:19 AM PDT


Posted by: Dark Neptune
We aren't deciding the story, because that would ruin any anticipation and love we can get. If we decide a story, it gets predictable, and pretty soon, boring and uninteresting.

And it's pretty obvious you haven't followed Bungie for many years; because your knowledge of these Halo facts seem limited. People I see defending Reach these days are people who are Bungie fanboys and surprisingly don't bother going into the specifics.

P.S. You don't get paid by taking a stand and standing up to Bungie.


You aren't deciding the story, but you people are taking it upon yourselves to decide what is and is not canon, despite never seeing the halo story bible. I find it sadly amusing that if somebody disagrees with you, they are a mindless Halo Reach/bungie fanboy with no thought process of their own, and cannot be right.

Edit: Common logic = An expanding universe's lore will have some conflicting details. Does this ruin it? Hardly, unless you hyper-analyze it and focus on the tiny conflicting details only.

[Edited on 02.12.2011 7:25 AM PST]

  • 02.12.2011 7:21 AM PDT

I am a practicing traditional Catholic.

I would like to add that the main part the game refutes from canon in the case of the book is primarily the last quarter (or so) and not the entire work. If people payed more attention to the story and not just to dates...

[Edited on 02.12.2011 7:47 AM PST]

  • 02.12.2011 7:46 AM PDT


Posted by: Magna117
I would like to add that the main part the game refutes from canon in the case of the book is primarily the last quarter (or so) and not the entire work. If people payed more attention to the story and not just to dates...


Ah yes, another fun part. They act as if the events of Halo Reach make the entire book null, when the only part which would actually be conflicting is the single item of "How long it took Reach to fall."

  • 02.12.2011 7:50 AM PDT

I am a practicing traditional Catholic.


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Magna117
I would like to add that the main part the game refutes from canon in the case of the book is primarily the last quarter (or so) and not the entire work. If people payed more attention to the story and not just to dates...


Ah yes, another fun part. They act as if the events of Halo Reach make the entire book null, when the only part which would actually be conflicting is the single item of "How long it took Reach to fall."

I'm glad to find someone with a bit of logical thinking about them ;)

  • 02.12.2011 7:52 AM PDT