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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Halo Reach is shown from one viewpoint, Six's. If you can show me that he visited every major military presence on the planet, I'll accept your "fringe farming planet." claim. Besides the fact that this is a huge logical fallacy (unless you show me something you can't show me I'm right lolololol) it's also completely useless to argue from the "well we really can't know because it wasn't explicated stated to us" route. Although this may be astounding to many users, were actually going to have to look at the facts we know, and see if they can apply to our dilemma. The fact remains that a single Covenant ship (albeit the largest one ever seen) remained in Reach's atmosphere for close to a month. Landing parties established huge presences (constructed multiple towers) essentially unperturbed. The response to a single tower was a squad of warthogs and a few tanks. The docking platforms above Reach which you visit were essentially devoid of ships (except for the Savannah...a single frigate). In exactly none of the military engagements you were involved in did it feel like this was the largest military base humanity had. There was absolutely no reason to be prudent with resources (which, if this was a true "military planet" would be b-blam!- with them) when a planet of that magnitude is under attack.
Also, the super carrier. Scouting party, advance force, what's the difference? It certainly wasn't an invasion fleet. Are we arguing semantics? Does the distinction matter? The point I was trying to make was that the military center of humanity let a Covenant ship stay in their atmosphere, unmolested, for near a month. That doesn't make any sense.
Hell, to the Covenant fleet, 5 ships would be a scouting force.That's a pretty subjective value as to what constitutes a scouting party. It's also utterly irrelevant to the conversation.
Edit: Concerning the time taken, I don't see how a forerunner battle would compare to this one. Neither fleet had defense structures aiding them, and if I remember right the halos fired halfway through the battle, rendering the one fleet null.Half way through....? I can make up random measurements too but that really doesn't serve a purpose now does it. Mendicants first wave consisted of 1,784,305 leisure craft all of which were decimated by Offensive. In fact, 15 minutes before the rings were to fire (about 11 hours into the battle) Mendicant sent his " seventh and final wave of container ships, barges, tankers, and military vessels engage my fleet; another 214,320 ships", which shows that Offensive destroyed ~4.5 million ships in 11 hours.
Contrast this with Reach which was a battle between 152 human warships (including 20 MAC guns and 3 refit and repair stations) against a force of 314 Covenant ships. The battle would have obviously been over pretty quickly. It certainly wouldn't have lasted days (as Halo: Reach makes it out to be).
Trust me, an open field battle will end much quicker then a siege/assaulting a city or stronghold battle.Yes, and yet in Reach that type of battle takes days to complete.
Posted by: OrderedComa
I don't get where people come off calling Reach a "farmer colony", you see more military installations than you see in any other game, there is a -blam!-ing HUMONGOGINORMOUS city with buildings on the same scale as Coruscant in Star Wars, and you see a much larger military show of force than any of the other games combined.
Yep, Reach is definitely a random farmer colony.
/sarcasm.Yes, a city which covers an entire planet (Coruscant) is similar to a city which looks to be the size of New York City (New Alexandria). EXTREME EXAGGERATIONS...errr excuse me. The presence of a single city hardly answers the question of whether or not a planet is agrarian. What made it seem, to me, that this was a farming (backwater) colony was the lack of a forceful response to any of the Covenant encampments and the unwillingness of the UNSC to send resources to defend their bases (CASTLE, SWORD, etc). The book had the military personal on Reach at ~153 million. Initially there was only a single super carrier so they couldn't have been off on the other side of the planet fighting the Covenant. Where where they? Why weren't more resources (any resources) invested into getting rid of the Covenant?
[Edited on 02.14.2011 7:49 PM PST]