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If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

yet.


Posted by: dibbs089
I hate you privet caboose. I hate the fact that you actually question things that don't add up instead of accepting them. I hate how you don't thoughtlessly submit to the majority opinion. I hate how you are able to think for yourself. I hate how you use logical arguments to arrive at conclusions. I hate how you use big words I don't understand. Most of all I hate that you don't share my views so that I have to make threads targeted at individual users (you) where I channel my petulant rage over a video game.

I know, right?

  • 02.14.2011 6:26 AM PDT

"A LIE is a LIE"


- Truly intelligent and deep Black ops trailer


Posted by: Dark Neptune


I also see your English must have been very poor indeed. I sure you meant:


Your English just sucks, doesn't it?

P.S. I enjoy being a English-Grammar policeman. :)


English isn't my first language. Look, I don't usually report people to forum moderators - but I am willing to report you for being utterly disrespectful in the time you have been on this thread.

First you report me, call me a troll and idiot, and now you make fun of my English without even considering the possible reasons.

But because I'm a nice guy, I wont report. But I wont waste my time with you as-well.

[Edited on 02.14.2011 6:31 AM PST]

  • 02.14.2011 6:30 AM PDT


Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: Dark Neptune


I also see your English must have been very poor indeed. I sure you meant:


Your English just sucks, doesn't it?

P.S. I enjoy being a English-Grammar policeman. :)


English isn't my first language. Look, I don't usually report people to forum moderators - but I am willing to report you for being utterly disrespectful in the time you have been on this thread.

First you report me, call me a troll and idiot, and now you make fun of my English without even considering the possible reasons.

But because I'm a nice guy, I wont report. But I wont waste my time with you as-well.



Dark Neptune = Ugly Troll

Dont feed that -blam!-.

  • 02.14.2011 6:40 AM PDT

I'm afraid I only read the first two pages but why did know one fail to mention that its not bungies story its Frank O Connors story who happened to work at bungie in the beginning. but do to creative differences and bungie wanting more they split ways and since Microsoft was the parent corporation they gave Frank 343 and to OP.... you fail.

  • 02.14.2011 8:12 AM PDT

If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

yet.


Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: Dark Neptune


I also see your English must have been very poor indeed. I sure you meant:


Your English just sucks, doesn't it?

P.S. I enjoy being a English-Grammar policeman. :)


English isn't my first language. Look, I don't usually report people to forum moderators - but I am willing to report you for being utterly disrespectful in the time you have been on this thread.

First you report me, call me a troll and idiot, and now you make fun of my English without even considering the possible reasons.

But because I'm a nice guy, I wont report. But I wont waste my time with you as-well.

You insulted him because you misunderstood, then he made a comeback, and now you blame him. Brilliant.

English is not my first language, either.

  • 02.14.2011 8:21 AM PDT

shut up u stupid alloy u not can englis

  • 02.14.2011 8:33 AM PDT


Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: Dark Neptune


I also see your English must have been very poor indeed. I sure you meant:


Your English just sucks, doesn't it?

P.S. I enjoy being a English-Grammar policeman. :)


English isn't my first language. Look, I don't usually report people to forum moderators - but I am willing to report you for being utterly disrespectful in the time you have been on this thread.

First you report me, call me a troll and idiot, and now you make fun of my English without even considering the possible reasons.

But because I'm a nice guy, I wont report. But I wont waste my time with you as-well.

You insulted him because you misunderstood, then he made a comeback, and now you blame him. Brilliant.

English is not my first language, either.
shut up u stupid alloy u not can englis

  • 02.14.2011 8:34 AM PDT


Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: OrderedComa
If Blue Team never went on the space op and it didn't happen, then who's to say that Johnson is not part of the Autumn's crew?
Johnson was part of a squad consisting of Jenkins, Bicenti, and one more Marine in the station where the Circumference was docked.


I know that, I was speaking hypothetically, I saying that if, as Caboose claims, that the Circumference Op never happened, then what is keeping Johnson and the other guys from being marines on the Autumn, or even being survivors they picked up in Aszod.

  • 02.14.2011 9:13 AM PDT

"A LIE is a LIE"


- Truly intelligent and deep Black ops trailer


Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: Dark Neptune


I also see your English must have been very poor indeed. I sure you meant:


Your English just sucks, doesn't it?

P.S. I enjoy being a English-Grammar policeman. :)


English isn't my first language. Look, I don't usually report people to forum moderators - but I am willing to report you for being utterly disrespectful in the time you have been on this thread.

First you report me, call me a troll and idiot, and now you make fun of my English without even considering the possible reasons.

But because I'm a nice guy, I wont report. But I wont waste my time with you as-well.

You insulted him because you misunderstood, then he made a comeback, and now you blame him. Brilliant.

English is not my first language, either.


I insulted him? I don't recall calling him names or attacking his language.

"English is not my first language, either."

....ok....

[Edited on 02.14.2011 9:44 AM PST]

  • 02.14.2011 9:33 AM PDT

If people would actually look up the dates of the events in the books and the games they would realize that everything fits perfectly.

  • 02.14.2011 9:51 AM PDT

Love your friends, Die laughing.

Once Again, Joseph Staten about Halo Canon, how games canon overrule books canon, and how new canon overrule old canon. Please read it.

  • 02.14.2011 11:09 AM PDT

I just can't understand why everyone defends Bungie and acts like nothing happened.

Eric Nylund wrote "Halo: The Fall of Reach", however, all the events in the novel were established by Bungie in the "Halo Story Bible". They wrote all the important events themselves, so it's pretty idiotic to COMPLETELY change a story that was already established for no apparent reason.

Second, Joseph Staten wrote "Halo: Contact Harvest". That's right, a Bungie employee wrote a Halo novel, so it's kinda weird that they say that the novels are canon, yet, they decide to break the whole thing with one game.

Third, people is not pissed because they bought the novel and now their purchase is worthless. It's not about the money, it's about a story we liked, a story that made more sense than this game. Main reason I usually skip all the cutscenes in the game and imagine Reach as a farmer's colony.

  • 02.14.2011 11:18 AM PDT

If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

yet.


Posted by: abelsinh
Once Again, Joseph Staten about Halo Canon, how games canon overrule books canon, and how new canon overrule old canon. Please read it.

You're missing the point.

  • 02.14.2011 12:12 PM PDT

If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

yet.


Posted by: Juan Teran
I just can't understand why everyone defends Bungie and acts like nothing happened.

Eric Nylund wrote "Halo: The Fall of Reach", however, all the events in the novel were established by Bungie in the "Halo Story Bible". They wrote all the important events themselves, so it's pretty idiotic to COMPLETELY change a story that was already established for no apparent reason.

Second, Joseph Staten wrote "Halo: Contact Harvest". That's right, a Bungie employee wrote a Halo novel, so it's kinda weird that they say that the novels are canon, yet, they decide to break the whole thing with one game.

Third, people is not pissed because they bought the novel and now their purchase is worthless. It's not about the money, it's about a story we liked, a story that made more sense than this game. Main reason I usually skip all the cutscenes in the game and imagine Reach as a farmer's colony.

"umm hai gaize we change teh story to fit moar exploshins k?"

  • 02.14.2011 12:17 PM PDT


Posted by: Juan Teran
I just can't understand why everyone defends Bungie and acts like nothing happened.

Eric Nylund wrote "Halo: The Fall of Reach", however, all the events in the novel were established by Bungie in the "Halo Story Bible". They wrote all the important events themselves, so it's pretty idiotic to COMPLETELY change a story that was already established for no apparent reason.

Second, Joseph Staten wrote "Halo: Contact Harvest". That's right, a Bungie employee wrote a Halo novel, so it's kinda weird that they say that the novels are canon, yet, they decide to break the whole thing with one game.

Third, people is not pissed because they bought the novel and now their purchase is worthless. It's not about the money, it's about a story we liked, a story that made more sense than this game. Main reason I usually skip all the cutscenes in the game and imagine Reach as a farmer's colony.


It's not about defending Bungie for me, though that's a small part of it. I care just as much about the story as the next guy in the Universe Forum, however I trust that the creators of the story know what they're doing and take the little scraps of the big picture that are given to us and seeing how the odd bits of the puzzle fit together.

All stories evolve during their conception stage, the Battle of Reach depicted in TFoR was part of the early development process and, I would assume, not very fleshed out yet. And because Microsoft wanted a backstory the unfleshed out Battle of Reach was depicted in TFoR, now we have a more complete picture of how it was supposed to be.

Concerning point 2: TFoR is the only book directly affected by Reach, the only other book possibly affected is FS, but only slight changes in dates that would not affect the plot at all. Any claim that all the canon of the books is completely destroyed is simply overreaction and taking the changes too personally.

The timeline of Reach makes ever so much more sense. The UNSC fleet would not have lasted a measly two hours against the Covenant fleet, they would have been defeated in the end, yes, but there is no way in hell that it'd be so easy to finish the UNSC fleet off, especially since they have pretty much their full military might there, the SMACs which can gut a Covie ship in one strike, and a great many of their greatest military minds like, Captain Keyes, present. And how the hell can you even imagine Reach as a farmer colony? Even if you disregard the game as canon calling a farmer colony is just plain silly. A farmer coloy would not have a city as huge as New Alexandria was, or so many military structure like Sword Base, the Sabre Launch Site, and the Ship Breaking Yard of Aszod.

  • 02.14.2011 12:23 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: OrderedComa
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The timeline of Reach makes ever so much more sense. The UNSC fleet would not have lasted a measly two hours against the Covenant fleet, they would have been defeated in the end, yes, but there is no way in hell that it'd be so easy to finish the UNSC fleet off, especially since they have pretty much their full military might there, the SMACs which can gut a Covie ship in one strike, and a great many of their greatest military minds like, Captain Keyes, present. And how the hell can you even imagine Reach as a farmer colony? Even if you disregard the game as canon calling a farmer colony is just plain silly. A farmer coloy would not have a city as huge as New Alexandria was, or so many military structure like Sword Base, the Sabre Launch Site, and the Ship Breaking Yard of Aszod.


Apparently it WAS that easy considering the UNSC ran out of nukes on what, the 14th/16th? That's pathetic.

  • 02.14.2011 1:00 PM PDT

"A LIE is a LIE"


- Truly intelligent and deep Black ops trailer


Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: OrderedComa
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The timeline of Reach makes ever so much more sense. The UNSC fleet would not have lasted a measly two hours against the Covenant fleet, they would have been defeated in the end, yes, but there is no way in hell that it'd be so easy to finish the UNSC fleet off, especially since they have pretty much their full military might there, the SMACs which can gut a Covie ship in one strike, and a great many of their greatest military minds like, Captain Keyes, present. And how the hell can you even imagine Reach as a farmer colony? Even if you disregard the game as canon calling a farmer colony is just plain silly. A farmer coloy would not have a city as huge as New Alexandria was, or so many military structure like Sword Base, the Sabre Launch Site, and the Ship Breaking Yard of Aszod.


Apparently it WAS that easy considering the UNSC ran out of nukes on what, the 14th/16th? That's pathetic.


Well what if they didnt?

I also agree with Coma, 1 month is a far more realistic time line than one day when speaking about the ultimate stronghold of the UNSC, and I hope you, Caboose can agree to that putting everything aside.

  • 02.14.2011 1:20 PM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: OrderedComa
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The timeline of Reach makes ever so much more sense. The UNSC fleet would not have lasted a measly two hours against the Covenant fleet, they would have been defeated in the end, yes, but there is no way in hell that it'd be so easy to finish the UNSC fleet off, especially since they have pretty much their full military might there, the SMACs which can gut a Covie ship in one strike, and a great many of their greatest military minds like, Captain Keyes, present. And how the hell can you even imagine Reach as a farmer colony? Even if you disregard the game as canon calling a farmer colony is just plain silly. A farmer coloy would not have a city as huge as New Alexandria was, or so many military structure like Sword Base, the Sabre Launch Site, and the Ship Breaking Yard of Aszod.


Apparently it WAS that easy considering the UNSC ran out of nukes on what, the 14th/16th? That's pathetic.


The nukes have very little to do with the issue, especially since half the time they aren't even used in the battles, the only one I can think of is the one Keyes used at Sigma Octanus in executing the Keyes' Loop.

  • 02.14.2011 4:18 PM PDT

The Forerunner, the Great Journey, and Heaven Theory

[Announcement Trailer] Halo: Forerunner

Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: OrderedComa
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The timeline of Reach makes ever so much more sense. The UNSC fleet would not have lasted a measly two hours against the Covenant fleet, they would have been defeated in the end, yes, but there is no way in hell that it'd be so easy to finish the UNSC fleet off, especially since they have pretty much their full military might there, the SMACs which can gut a Covie ship in one strike, and a great many of their greatest military minds like, Captain Keyes, present. And how the hell can you even imagine Reach as a farmer colony? Even if you disregard the game as canon calling a farmer colony is just plain silly. A farmer coloy would not have a city as huge as New Alexandria was, or so many military structure like Sword Base, the Sabre Launch Site, and the Ship Breaking Yard of Aszod.


Apparently it WAS that easy considering the UNSC ran out of nukes on what, the 14th/16th? That's pathetic.


Well what if they didnt?

I also agree with Coma, 1 month is a far more realistic time line than one day when speaking about the ultimate stronghold of the UNSC, and I hope you, Caboose can agree to that putting everything aside.
One month is not a realistic timeframe in the slightest. Terminal Six (Halo 3) gives an account of the battle between Mendicant and Offensive Bias. Under Mendicant's control are 4,803,019 ships. Offensive has 11,001 ships (he says he is outnumbered 436.6:1). The entirety of that battle in which over 4 million ships fought lasted a grand total of 11 hours. A one day time frame of (at least the space battle) Reach is much more realistic than a one month time frame.

That being said, the video game made Reach look like a fringe farming planet, not the largest military stronghold humanity had; all under the laughable pretense that the most massive Covenant ship ever seen was simply sent as a "scouting party".

  • 02.14.2011 4:27 PM PDT


Posted by: dibbs089
Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: OrderedComa
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The timeline of Reach makes ever so much more sense. The UNSC fleet would not have lasted a measly two hours against the Covenant fleet, they would have been defeated in the end, yes, but there is no way in hell that it'd be so easy to finish the UNSC fleet off, especially since they have pretty much their full military might there, the SMACs which can gut a Covie ship in one strike, and a great many of their greatest military minds like, Captain Keyes, present. And how the hell can you even imagine Reach as a farmer colony? Even if you disregard the game as canon calling a farmer colony is just plain silly. A farmer coloy would not have a city as huge as New Alexandria was, or so many military structure like Sword Base, the Sabre Launch Site, and the Ship Breaking Yard of Aszod.


Apparently it WAS that easy considering the UNSC ran out of nukes on what, the 14th/16th? That's pathetic.


Well what if they didnt?

I also agree with Coma, 1 month is a far more realistic time line than one day when speaking about the ultimate stronghold of the UNSC, and I hope you, Caboose can agree to that putting everything aside.
One month is not a realistic timeframe in the slightest. Terminal Six (Halo 3) gives an account of the battle between Mendicant and Offensive Bias. Under Mendicant's control are 4,803,019 ships. Offensive has 11,001 ships (he says he is outnumbered 436.6:1). The entirety of that battle in which over 4 million ships fought lasted a grand total of 11 hours. A one day time frame of (at least the space battle) Reach is much more realistic than a one month time frame.

That being said, the video game made Reach look like a fringe farming planet, not the largest military stronghold humanity had; all under the laughable pretense that the most massive Covenant ship ever seen was simply sent as a "scouting party".


Halo Reach is shown from one viewpoint, Six's. If you can show me that he visited every major military presence on the planet, I'll accept your "fringe farming planet." claim.

Also, the super carrier. Scouting party, advance force, what's the difference? It certainly wasn't an invasion fleet.

Hell, to the Covenant fleet, 5 ships would be a scouting force.

Edit: Concerning the time taken, I don't see how a forerunner battle would compare to this one. Neither fleet had defense structures aiding them, and if I remember right the halos fired halfway through the battle, rendering the one fleet null.

Trust me, an open field battle will end much quicker then a siege/assaulting a city or stronghold battle.

Second edit to Coma: If I remember right, most of Reach's nukes were deployed in a minefield as the Covenant fleet first arrived and headed for the planet.

[Edited on 02.14.2011 4:51 PM PST]

  • 02.14.2011 4:46 PM PDT

"A LIE is a LIE"


- Truly intelligent and deep Black ops trailer


Posted by: dibbs089
Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: OrderedComa
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The timeline of Reach makes ever so much more sense. The UNSC fleet would not have lasted a measly two hours against the Covenant fleet, they would have been defeated in the end, yes, but there is no way in hell that it'd be so easy to finish the UNSC fleet off, especially since they have pretty much their full military might there, the SMACs which can gut a Covie ship in one strike, and a great many of their greatest military minds like, Captain Keyes, present. And how the hell can you even imagine Reach as a farmer colony? Even if you disregard the game as canon calling a farmer colony is just plain silly. A farmer coloy would not have a city as huge as New Alexandria was, or so many military structure like Sword Base, the Sabre Launch Site, and the Ship Breaking Yard of Aszod.


Apparently it WAS that easy considering the UNSC ran out of nukes on what, the 14th/16th? That's pathetic.


Well what if they didnt?

I also agree with Coma, 1 month is a far more realistic time line than one day when speaking about the ultimate stronghold of the UNSC, and I hope you, Caboose can agree to that putting everything aside.
One month is not a realistic timeframe in the slightest. Terminal Six (Halo 3) gives an account of the battle between Mendicant and Offensive Bias. Under Mendicant's control are 4,803,019 ships. Offensive has 11,001 ships (he says he is outnumbered 436.6:1). The entirety of that battle in which over 4 million ships fought lasted a grand total of 11 hours. A one day time frame of (at least the space battle) Reach is much more realistic than a one month time frame.

That being said, the video game made Reach look like a fringe farming planet, not the largest military stronghold humanity had; all under the laughable pretense that the most massive Covenant ship ever seen was simply sent as a "scouting party".



You're forerunner example is not comparable for the simple fact that there was no planet or stronghold involved in the battle. Also, it doesn't take that long for 4 million ships to obliterate 11 thousand ships.

We are talking about around 200 UNSC space assets (warships and MAC platforms) and then a huge ground-side defence vs 314 covie ships, and you're telling me a one day battle from THAT is realistic?

I really think Bungie made a right choice to change the timeframe of the battle to a month. Also keep in mind that FOR was written 10 years ago, So the Halo bible that it took reference from was probably under-developed.

[Edited on 02.14.2011 5:16 PM PST]

  • 02.14.2011 5:13 PM PDT


Posted by: dibbs089
Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: OrderedComa
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The timeline of Reach makes ever so much more sense. The UNSC fleet would not have lasted a measly two hours against the Covenant fleet, they would have been defeated in the end, yes, but there is no way in hell that it'd be so easy to finish the UNSC fleet off, especially since they have pretty much their full military might there, the SMACs which can gut a Covie ship in one strike, and a great many of their greatest military minds like, Captain Keyes, present. And how the hell can you even imagine Reach as a farmer colony? Even if you disregard the game as canon calling a farmer colony is just plain silly. A farmer coloy would not have a city as huge as New Alexandria was, or so many military structure like Sword Base, the Sabre Launch Site, and the Ship Breaking Yard of Aszod.


Apparently it WAS that easy considering the UNSC ran out of nukes on what, the 14th/16th? That's pathetic.


Well what if they didnt?

I also agree with Coma, 1 month is a far more realistic time line than one day when speaking about the ultimate stronghold of the UNSC, and I hope you, Caboose can agree to that putting everything aside.
One month is not a realistic timeframe in the slightest. Terminal Six (Halo 3) gives an account of the battle between Mendicant and Offensive Bias. Under Mendicant's control are 4,803,019 ships. Offensive has 11,001 ships (he says he is outnumbered 436.6:1). The entirety of that battle in which over 4 million ships fought lasted a grand total of 11 hours. A one day time frame of (at least the space battle) Reach is much more realistic than a one month time frame.

That being said, the video game made Reach look like a fringe farming planet, not the largest military stronghold humanity had; all under the laughable pretense that the most massive Covenant ship ever seen was simply sent as a "scouting party".


No one is saying the space battle at Reach lasted a month, at least I'm not, I'm saying it should have lasted much longer than two hours, I can't say when the Covenant broke Reach's orbital defense, because we don't have a new date for that yet, but it was probably before the 30th as the Covenant seem to have complete control of Reach's orbit as the Autumn flees on the last level.

I don't get where people come off calling Reach a "farmer colony", you see more military installations than you see in any other game, there is a -blam!-ing HUMONGOGINORMOUS city with buildings on the same scale as Coruscant in Star Wars, and you see a much larger military show of force than any of the other games combined.

Yep, Reach is definitely a random farmer colony.
/sarcasm.

  • 02.14.2011 5:58 PM PDT

The Forerunner, the Great Journey, and Heaven Theory

[Announcement Trailer] Halo: Forerunner

Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Halo Reach is shown from one viewpoint, Six's. If you can show me that he visited every major military presence on the planet, I'll accept your "fringe farming planet." claim.
Besides the fact that this is a huge logical fallacy (unless you show me something you can't show me I'm right lolololol) it's also completely useless to argue from the "well we really can't know because it wasn't explicated stated to us" route. Although this may be astounding to many users, were actually going to have to look at the facts we know, and see if they can apply to our dilemma. The fact remains that a single Covenant ship (albeit the largest one ever seen) remained in Reach's atmosphere for close to a month. Landing parties established huge presences (constructed multiple towers) essentially unperturbed. The response to a single tower was a squad of warthogs and a few tanks. The docking platforms above Reach which you visit were essentially devoid of ships (except for the Savannah...a single frigate). In exactly none of the military engagements you were involved in did it feel like this was the largest military base humanity had. There was absolutely no reason to be prudent with resources (which, if this was a true "military planet" would be b-blam!- with them) when a planet of that magnitude is under attack.

Also, the super carrier. Scouting party, advance force, what's the difference? It certainly wasn't an invasion fleet. Are we arguing semantics? Does the distinction matter? The point I was trying to make was that the military center of humanity let a Covenant ship stay in their atmosphere, unmolested, for near a month. That doesn't make any sense.

Hell, to the Covenant fleet, 5 ships would be a scouting force.That's a pretty subjective value as to what constitutes a scouting party. It's also utterly irrelevant to the conversation.

Edit: Concerning the time taken, I don't see how a forerunner battle would compare to this one. Neither fleet had defense structures aiding them, and if I remember right the halos fired halfway through the battle, rendering the one fleet null.Half way through....? I can make up random measurements too but that really doesn't serve a purpose now does it. Mendicants first wave consisted of 1,784,305 leisure craft all of which were decimated by Offensive. In fact, 15 minutes before the rings were to fire (about 11 hours into the battle) Mendicant sent his " seventh and final wave of container ships, barges, tankers, and military vessels engage my fleet; another 214,320 ships", which shows that Offensive destroyed ~4.5 million ships in 11 hours.

Contrast this with Reach which was a battle between 152 human warships (including 20 MAC guns and 3 refit and repair stations) against a force of 314 Covenant ships. The battle would have obviously been over pretty quickly. It certainly wouldn't have lasted days (as Halo: Reach makes it out to be).

Trust me, an open field battle will end much quicker then a siege/assaulting a city or stronghold battle.Yes, and yet in Reach that type of battle takes days to complete.


Posted by: OrderedComa

I don't get where people come off calling Reach a "farmer colony", you see more military installations than you see in any other game, there is a -blam!-ing HUMONGOGINORMOUS city with buildings on the same scale as Coruscant in Star Wars, and you see a much larger military show of force than any of the other games combined.

Yep, Reach is definitely a random farmer colony.
/sarcasm.
Yes, a city which covers an entire planet (Coruscant) is similar to a city which looks to be the size of New York City (New Alexandria). EXTREME EXAGGERATIONS...errr excuse me. The presence of a single city hardly answers the question of whether or not a planet is agrarian. What made it seem, to me, that this was a farming (backwater) colony was the lack of a forceful response to any of the Covenant encampments and the unwillingness of the UNSC to send resources to defend their bases (CASTLE, SWORD, etc). The book had the military personal on Reach at ~153 million. Initially there was only a single super carrier so they couldn't have been off on the other side of the planet fighting the Covenant. Where where they? Why weren't more resources (any resources) invested into getting rid of the Covenant?

[Edited on 02.14.2011 7:49 PM PST]

  • 02.14.2011 7:39 PM PDT

You must have missed the "Covenant Pylons blocked UNSC sensors.

You must have also missed the fact that the UNSC responded with a massive counter-attack, across the entire territory. Those arrows in the cutscene? Different groups.

Also, unattacked means it was known about, which is false.

I don't make a fact of memorizing dates and details from the terminals, which I believe are among the lower tiers of 'canon' stated by somebody. Believe that if you will, I don't feel like looking it up. Though, military battleships ripping through civilian craft. That's a completely different situation. Two fleets of combat ships duking it out and taking awhile to finish (one having a defensive line alongside of it.) is much different then a fleet of warships destroying another fleet which nearly all of it was civilian and non-combat craft.

Also, What do you mean "Yes, and yet in Reach that type of battle takes days to complete."? I said "A siege or attacking a well defended point takes longer." The battle of Reach was hardly an 'open field battle.' the Space portion had the Covenant assaulting a defended zone.

Also, incase you never saw it http://halo.xbox.com/en-us#/intel/featured/video/assault-on-t he-stars-3/1ebc1b7e-0aa9-4b28-a085-b0c84c317ae1 the end of the video comments on the space battle.

  • 02.14.2011 7:56 PM PDT

The Forerunner, the Great Journey, and Heaven Theory

[Announcement Trailer] Halo: Forerunner

Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron This may sound like a joke, but I'm being completely serious. Could you please just stop being wrong. Please.

You must have also missed the fact that the UNSC responded with a massive counter-attack, across the entire territory. Those arrows in the cutscene? Different groups. I in fact did miss that considering it never happened. Your scientific analysis of "those arrows" is also completely value laden. Your assumption is that they represent groups or armies. What if they represent paths the various armies are supposed to take when they reach the ground? What if they represent armies who have yet to land? I don't know how you were able to decipher all of the signs without there being any explanation as to what they represent.

I don't make a fact of memorizing dates and details from the terminals, which I believe are among the lower tiers of 'canon' stated by somebody. Believe that if you will, I don't feel like looking it up. "If I ignore facts they cease to exist". Truly marvelous reasoning. Actually the terminals occur in game. Game canon is the highest form of canon - only able to be over ridden by new game canon.

Also, What do you mean "Yes, and yet in Reach that type of battle takes days to complete."? I said "A siege or attacking a well defended point takes longer." The battle of Reach was hardly an 'open field battle.' the Space portion had the Covenant assaulting a defended zone. How is a space battle, A SPACE BATTLE, not an open field battle. It is free range of movement in literally every direction.

Seriously, why do I even bother? I'm probably going to have to go the route of every other intelligent thinker on this forum and just stop posting; just leave you plebeians to your ignorance. This is getting absolutely ridiculous.

[Edited on 02.15.2011 10:12 AM PST]

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