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Subject: They need to rewrite The Fall of Reach.
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Posted by: manwith
Actually Halo: CE, Halo 2, Halo 3: ODST, Halo 3 and Halsey's Journal support Halo: Reach as canon.

Actually no, they don't only ODST, the journal and the game itself.

  • 02.09.2011 1:18 PM PDT


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Posted by: manwith
Actually Halo: CE, Halo 2, Halo 3: ODST, Halo 3 and Halsey's Journal support Halo: Reach as canon.

Actually no, they don't only ODST, the journal and the game itself.


Tell me how CE, 2, and 3 conflict with Reach?

The book and the game don't even conflict that much. (If you don't dig up TINY details and make them planet-sized.)

I'm a halo lore fan, and I'm not seeing these massive conflicts in canon between the different items.

Edit: In techincality, Halo CE, 2, and 3 all conflict with each other. Three different types of tanks deployed in the span of a year? A few other details of weapons.

This is looking at the tiny details as you like doing.

[Edited on 02.09.2011 1:23 PM PST]

  • 02.09.2011 1:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

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Posted by: manwith
Actually Halo: CE, Halo 2, Halo 3: ODST, Halo 3 and Halsey's Journal support Halo: Reach as canon.

Actually no, they don't only ODST, the journal and the game itself.


Tell me how CE, 2, and 3 conflict with Reach?

The book and the game don't even conflict that much. (If you don't dig up TINY details and make them planet-sized.)

I'm a halo lore fan, and I'm not seeing these massive conflicts in canon between the different items.

Edit: In techincality, Halo CE, 2, and 3 all conflict with each other. Three different types of tanks deployed in the span of a year? A few other details of weapons.

This is looking at the tiny details as you like doing.

They don't conflict with it, but they don't support it.
Also the game and the book completely conflict, all the dates and the fact that the PoA was stationed when it should be in batlle.
And the types of tanks, just think, every country has different type of weapons and vehicles, it's just that you get tanks that were produced in a different country or planet in each game, that's why they are different, the same goes for the weapons.

[Edited on 02.09.2011 1:28 PM PST]

  • 02.09.2011 1:27 PM PDT


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Posted by: manwith
Actually Halo: CE, Halo 2, Halo 3: ODST, Halo 3 and Halsey's Journal support Halo: Reach as canon.

Actually no, they don't only ODST, the journal and the game itself.


Tell me how CE, 2, and 3 conflict with Reach?

The book and the game don't even conflict that much. (If you don't dig up TINY details and make them planet-sized.)

I'm a halo lore fan, and I'm not seeing these massive conflicts in canon between the different items.

Edit: In techincality, Halo CE, 2, and 3 all conflict with each other. Three different types of tanks deployed in the span of a year? A few other details of weapons.

This is looking at the tiny details as you like doing.

They don't conflict with it, but they don't support it.
Also the game and the book completely conflict, all the dates and the fact that the PoA was stationed when it should be in batlle.
And the types of tanks, just think, every country has different type of weapons and vehicles, it's just that you get tanks that were produced in a different country or planet in each game, that's why they are different, the same goes for the weapons.


Ah yes, so the UNSC, who mass produce these tanks from one location, spit out three versions with varying strength all at once? I mean, nit-picking at details this doesn't make sense.

Anyway, the book and the game don't "completely conflict." The actual battle didn't start until after LNOS, the major fleet didn't arrive until later on. I'll give you all landed PoA, but that's really the only point which doesn't make sense.

  • 02.09.2011 1:33 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

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Posted by: manwith
Actually Halo: CE, Halo 2, Halo 3: ODST, Halo 3 and Halsey's Journal support Halo: Reach as canon.

Actually no, they don't only ODST, the journal and the game itself.


Tell me how CE, 2, and 3 conflict with Reach?

The book and the game don't even conflict that much. (If you don't dig up TINY details and make them planet-sized.)

I'm a halo lore fan, and I'm not seeing these massive conflicts in canon between the different items.


you didnt say they dont conflict with reach, you said it SUPPORTS reach! which it dosnt in anyway. and just so i can prove you wrong CE does conflict reach. in reach keys hair is black, in CE it gray. no it dosnt matter and no i dont care but its just another way to show you how much bungie dosnt care!i honestly think bungie tried to contradict it as much as they could from the books while still making it SLIGHTLY legitimate. TINY details are VERY important in every story and ESPECIALLY important in halo

  • 02.09.2011 1:33 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Edit: In techincality, Halo CE, 2, and 3 all conflict with each other. Three different types of tanks deployed in the span of a year? A few other details of weapons.

This is looking at the tiny details as you like doing.

it never say they were made in a yr but even if they were that would be completely possible. that could be done now let alone 540 yrs from now

  • 02.09.2011 1:37 PM PDT


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Posted by: manwith
Actually Halo: CE, Halo 2, Halo 3: ODST, Halo 3 and Halsey's Journal support Halo: Reach as canon.

Actually no, they don't only ODST, the journal and the game itself.


Tell me how CE, 2, and 3 conflict with Reach?

The book and the game don't even conflict that much. (If you don't dig up TINY details and make them planet-sized.)

I'm a halo lore fan, and I'm not seeing these massive conflicts in canon between the different items.


you didnt say they dont conflict with reach, you said it SUPPORTS reach! which it dosnt in anyway. and just so i can prove you wrong CE does conflict reach. in reach keys hair is black, in CE it gray. no it dosnt matter and no i dont care but its just another way to show you how much bungie dosnt care!i honestly think bungie tried to contradict it as much as they could from the books while still making it SLIGHTLY legitimate. TINY details are VERY important in every story and ESPECIALLY important in halo


Right now, you sound like you are simply mindlessly hating on Reach and Bungie. Also, in Reach Keyes had grey/greying hair. I didn't see him with a full head of black hair.

"Bungie tried to contradict it as much as possible?" Mindless hating. Bungie and 343 care about halo. Hell if you looked, the author of Fall of Reach? Yeah he was part of the writing team on Reach. He made the Journal that connects the game and the book.

  • 02.09.2011 1:38 PM PDT


Posted by: monkDAN

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Edit: In techincality, Halo CE, 2, and 3 all conflict with each other. Three different types of tanks deployed in the span of a year? A few other details of weapons.

This is looking at the tiny details as you like doing.

it never say they were made in a yr but even if they were that would be completely possible. that could be done now let alone 540 yrs from now


Right now we have several tanks types per nation. This is because they are all different types of tank, they aren't MBT.

The scorpion is a MBT. It isn't "This one is more for anti-infantry, that one is anti armor." They all share the same role.

Again, nitpicking at tiny details (which you stressed are SUPER important.)

  • 02.09.2011 1:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Ah yes, so the UNSC, who mass produce these tanks from one location, spit out three versions with varying strength all at once? I mean, nit-picking at details this doesn't make sense.

Anyway, the book and the game don't "completely conflict." The actual battle didn't start until after LNOS, the major fleet didn't arrive until later on. I'll give you all landed PoA, but that's really the only point which doesn't make sense.

Actually, no, they don't mass produce from one single location, some countries make their own weapons, and they mass produce them, some troops get those weapons and vehicles and other troops get other weapons that are mass produced from a different place, that's why we get different weapons trough the games and it actually makes a lot of sense for me, since this actually happens in modern day.
And from Halopedia: "As time has progressed, the Scorpion has been modified into more then a half-dozen different versions, however, despite the modifications the Scorpion's psychological aspect and versatility remain unchanged."
See?

Another explanation to the different tanks would be that, take for example a car, any car you want, the company that makes it gets a new model out every year, but you see older models on the streets don't you? the same goes with the scorpion, if older models are still not damaged and work just fine, why would you take them out of service? Remember making a new one costs a lot of money, and the UNSC it's not on position of wasting money.

[Edited on 02.09.2011 1:55 PM PST]

  • 02.09.2011 1:41 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Right now we have several tanks types per nation. This is because they are all different types of tank, they aren't MBT.

The scorpion is a MBT. It isn't "This one is more for anti-infantry, that one is anti armor." They all share the same role.

Again, nitpicking at tiny details (which you stressed are SUPER important.)

but now you're not even talking about reach contradicting the canon. yes the UNSCs logic isn't the best but that is off topic

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I just think that people will always disagree on this. Personally, I prefer the game, but the book was more dramatic.

  • 02.09.2011 1:52 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Right now, you sound like you are simply mindlessly hating on Reach and Bungie. Also, in Reach Keyes had grey/greying hair. I didn't see him with a full head of black hair.

"Bungie tried to contradict it as much as possible?" Mindless hating. Bungie and 343 care about halo. Hell if you looked, the author of Fall of Reach? Yeah he was part of the writing team on Reach. He made the Journal that connects the game and the book.

i was just showing you an example of how much bungie dosnt care because that is something im sure they could've fixed in a few minutes. because enough time dosnt pass for his hair to be black and greying to be completely grey

  • 02.09.2011 1:59 PM PDT


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Right now, you sound like you are simply mindlessly hating on Reach and Bungie. Also, in Reach Keyes had grey/greying hair. I didn't see him with a full head of black hair.

"Bungie tried to contradict it as much as possible?" Mindless hating. Bungie and 343 care about halo. Hell if you looked, the author of Fall of Reach? Yeah he was part of the writing team on Reach. He made the Journal that connects the game and the book.

i was just showing you an example of how much bungie dosnt care because that is something im sure they could've fixed in a few minutes. because enough time dosnt pass for his hair to be black and greying to be completely grey


I didn't see much of any black hair on him. It was very much greying near having full grey hair.

  • 02.09.2011 2:06 PM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
No, they need to remove Reach from having ever existed. We'll build our own catapult and fire every copy of that horrid excuse for a Halo game into the sun.

Except it's a great game...

  • 02.09.2011 2:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: OniLink147

Posted by: ajw34307
No, they need to remove Reach from having ever existed. We'll build our own catapult and fire every copy of that horrid excuse for a Halo game into the sun.

Except it's a great game...

Not as great as the book.

  • 02.09.2011 2:22 PM PDT


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Posted by: ajw34307
No, they need to remove Reach from having ever existed. We'll build our own catapult and fire every copy of that horrid excuse for a Halo game into the sun.

Except it's a great game...

Not as great as the book.

How about we just say the entire Halo series is great?

  • 02.09.2011 2:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: A HAM5TER
They need to remake Halo: Reach so it fits in with existing canon.
Most definitley this. At least change the dates of each mission so that it could take place between August 29 and August 30th, with time zones it could be reasonable to the fall of Reach.

[Edited on 02.09.2011 2:26 PM PST]

  • 02.09.2011 2:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: ajw34307
No, they need to remove Reach from having ever existed. We'll build our own catapult and fire every copy of that horrid excuse for a Halo game into the sun.

Except it's a great game...

Not as great as the book.

How about we just say the entire Halo series is great?

They are great, when they are not contradicting each other.

  • 02.09.2011 2:26 PM PDT


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Posted by: OniLink147

Posted by: Najar
Posted by: OniLink147

Posted by: ajw34307
No, they need to remove Reach from having ever existed. We'll build our own catapult and fire every copy of that horrid excuse for a Halo game into the sun.

Except it's a great game...

Not as great as the book.

How about we just say the entire Halo series is great?

They are great, when they are not contradicting each other.

Except everything contradicts everything. Which is why I ignore small errors and just enjoy the story.

  • 02.09.2011 2:29 PM PDT


Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: A HAM5TER
They need to remake Halo: Reach so it fits in with existing canon.
Most definitley this. At least change the dates of each mission so that it could take place between August 29 and August 30th, with time zones it could be reasonable to the fall of Reach.


Making the "strongest" Colony fall after a long drawn out battle makes it better then "Dies in a matter of hours."


Posted by: OniLink147
Except everything contradicts everything. Which is why I ignore small errors and just enjoy the story.


Exactly my good man. If you focus on small errors you make everything else suck. It's like a car with a shiny paint job. There is a tiny scratch in the paint. Nothing major right? Unless you stare at the scratch all the time.

  • 02.09.2011 2:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
No, they need to remove Reach from having ever existed. We'll build our own catapult and fire every copy of that horrid excuse for a Halo game into the sun.

  • 02.09.2011 2:46 PM PDT

:P

The books were made to try to fill in the gaps between the games. The books were included in the Halo Bible, the main source of canon. Therefore, by common reason, since books were already pre-established canon, they should overwrite any future game canon, or when constructing the storyline of future games, the books should be taken in consideration.

  • 02.09.2011 2:46 PM PDT


Posted by: Sol the Elite
The books were made to try to fill in the gaps between the games. The books were included in the Halo Bible, the main source of canon. Therefore, by common reason, since books were already pre-established canon, they should overwrite any future game canon, or when constructing the storyline of future games, the books should be taken in consideration.


In actuality, the canon order goes "Games first, then books/films, then ads/other materials."

  • 02.09.2011 2:50 PM PDT

:P

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Sol the Elite
The books were made to try to fill in the gaps between the games. The books were included in the Halo Bible, the main source of canon. Therefore, by common reason, since books were already pre-established canon, they should overwrite any future game canon, or when constructing the storyline of future games, the books should be taken in consideration.


In actuality, the canon order goes "Games first, then books/films, then ads/other materials."


Let's hope 343 Industries doesn't use "actuality".

  • 02.09.2011 3:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Making the "strongest" Colony fall after a long drawn out battle makes it better then "Dies in a matter of hours."


If we're going by Reach's logic than Reach was no more than a random farmer colony.

There were no SMACs. There was no "huge battle," not that we saw anyway. Hell, the biggest kick in the nuts was at the start of Long Night of Solace, Kat says the UNSC doesn't even have any spare Nukes! You expect me to believe the largest UNSC military planet doesn't have any nukes to use on a priority mission, and this is only August 14th! They haven't even been doing battle with the covies for three weeks!

[Edited on 02.09.2011 3:09 PM PST]

  • 02.09.2011 3:09 PM PDT