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Subject: How I think the CE remake should differ from the original

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Unlike most people, I don't want a carbon copy of the original CE. Perhaps the original game in HD could be included, but when people buy a game they generally expect something they haven't already got. Here's what I think should change:

For a start, screw spending time on graphics, pretty visuals don't make a game. It can have Reach graphics, and if those chug, give it Halo 3 graphics.

Secondly, the Forerunner architecture needs a serious overhaul. Look at this cutscene. Sure, the sweet CGI makes it look good, but even without that the design is amazing. Whereas CE is just grey corridors and boxy rooms, most of it could've been set on a 2011 industrial estate. Where's that sense of alien grandeur we felt when we first caught sight of a huge ring floating in space?

On the same note, the 'rural' areas of Halo weren't anything special either. Grassy fields and some trees that could have been straight out of the park down the road, and no flowers to mention. Shouldn't this area hold a sample of the species the Forerunners saved from thousands of planets, tens of thousands of years ago? Halo should be so exotic it makes the Amazon look like the Sahara desert, what we've got right now makes an English nature park seem wild. Same goes for the wildlife - this strikingly alien forest would need a whole ecosystem of equally alien creatures to sustain it. I want to feel amazed when I'm walking round Halo.

Thirdly, some of the moments of the Campaign need to be overhauled. The introduction of the Halo, for example, was lackluster compared to what it could have been, as was the scene in which Cortana revealed Halo's true purpose. I don't care if they ahve to hire a Hollywood cinematic director, get those cutscenes up to scratch.

Fourthly, the second half of the Campaign. No two ways of saying it, it's the first half backwards. I'd make it semi-sandbox, give the player a choice as to what route they take, and I'd take full advantage of improved AI numbers to really make it feel as if you're in the middle of an epic battle.

Fifthly (is that a word?), a lot of good mission ideas could be implemented. Use a wide variety of vehicles as you explore Halo, not just the Warthog and Scorpion. We've got the Falcon, the Hornet, the Banshee, the Wraith, the Chopper, the Revenant, the Ghost, the Spectre, the Mongoose... let's make use of all these. Lots of vehicle sequences, please. And let's have a Scarab mission, people have been asking for this since Halo 2, and a space mission at the end, because space combat was awesome on Reach but just wasn't explored fully enough.

And of course, add in all the weapons and vehicles from all Halo games, and Customs and Theater and Matchmaking and Forge and all that.

Thoughts?

[Edited on 02.09.2011 11:16 PM PST]

  • 02.09.2011 1:50 PM PDT

I certainly don't want additions of your caliber to the game, but I do want things added for customs, and things such as skulls and more easter eggs would be appreciated.

  • 02.09.2011 2:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: Melhane Chief
I certainly don't want additions of your caliber to the game, but I do want things added for customs, and things such as skulls and more easter eggs would be appreciated.

Please note I ask for the original Campaign to be included too, and don't ask for any MP changes beyond greater customization for custom games.

Also remember the whole reason CE was great was because it was so damn original and new. A direct remake with nothing added would go completely against the idea behind the success of the original.

  • 02.09.2011 2:14 PM PDT

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No thoughts, just agreement. I want them to build and rework the foundation that Bungie created with CE, rather than creating something new or just giving us a shiny $60 carbon copy.

[Edited on 02.09.2011 2:17 PM PST]

  • 02.09.2011 2:17 PM PDT

Maybe redo some cutscene animation but for the most part, just updated graphics/forerunner architecture like you say. If the shape of a couple room in assault on the control room change, so be it. Anymore than that as far as level design goes.... I'd be pretty upset.

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Posted by: Tacticalkilljoy
No thoughts, just agreement. I want them to build and rework the foundation that Bungie created with CE, rather than creating something new or just giving us a shiny $60 carbon copy.

For me if they can do this they will earn my trust as a company.

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Very true the originality definitely was a reasonfo the games success 343 just have to find the righ mix of old and new
Posted by: annoyinginge
Posted by: Melhane Chief
I certainly don't want additions of your caliber to the game, but I do want things added for customs, and things such as skulls and more easter eggs would be appreciated.

Please note I ask for the original Campaign to be included too, and don't ask for any MP changes beyond greater customization for custom games.

Also remember the whole reason CE was great was because it was so damn original and new. A direct remake with nothing added would go completely against the idea behind the success of the original.

  • 02.09.2011 3:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: annoyinginge
Posted by: Melhane Chief
I certainly don't want additions of your caliber to the game, but I do want things added for customs, and things such as skulls and more easter eggs would be appreciated.

Please note I ask for the original Campaign to be included too, and don't ask for any MP changes beyond greater customization for custom games.

Also remember the whole reason CE was great was because it was so damn original and new. A direct remake with nothing added would go completely against the idea behind the success of the original.

Very true, the originality definitely was a reason for the games success. 343 just have to find the right mix of old and new.

True. If they take out any missions, or alter them so much you lose sight of the original, this won't be a success. They should expand the Campaign, add new things to new missions (at least in one version) but they also have to leave the original structure in place.

  • 02.09.2011 11:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: annoyinginge
Unlike most people, I don't want a carbon copy of the original CE. Perhaps the original game in HD could be included, but when people buy a game they generally expect something they haven't already got. Here's what I think should change:

For a start, screw spending time on graphics, pretty visuals don't make a game. It can have Reach graphics, and if those chug, give it Halo 3 graphics.

Secondly, the Forerunner architecture needs a serious overhaul. Look at this cutscene. Sure, the sweet CGI makes it look good, but even without that the design is amazing. Whereas CE is just grey corridors and boxy rooms, most of it could've been set on a 2011 industrial estate. Where's that sense of alien grandeur we felt when we first caught sight of a huge ring floating in space?

On the same note, the 'rural' areas of Halo weren't anything special either. Grassy fields and some trees that could have been straight out of the park down the road, and no flowers to mention. Shouldn't this area hold a sample of the species the Forerunners saved from thousands of planets, tens of thousands of years ago? Halo should be so exotic it makes the Amazon look like the Sahara desert, what we've got right now makes an English nature park seem wild. Same goes for the wildlife - this strikingly alien forest would need a whole ecosystem of equally alien creatures to sustain it. I want to feel amazed when I'm walking round Halo.

Thirdly, some of the moments of the Campaign need to be overhauled. The introduction of the Halo, for example, was lackluster compared to what it could have been, as was the scene in which Cortana revealed Halo's true purpose. I don't care if they ahve to hire a Hollywood cinematic director, get those cutscenes up to scratch.

Fourthly, the second half of the Campaign. No two ways of saying it, it's the first half backwards. I'd make it semi-sandbox, give the player a choice as to what route they take, and I'd take full advantage of improved AI numbers to really make it feel as if you're in the middle of an epic battle.

Fifthly (is that a word?), a lot of good mission ideas could be implemented. Use a wide variety of vehicles as you explore Halo, not just the Warthog and Scorpion. We've got the Falcon, the Hornet, the Banshee, the Wraith, the Chopper, the Revenant, the Ghost, the Spectre, the Mongoose... let's make use of all these. Lots of vehicle sequences, please. And let's have a Scarab mission, people have been asking for this since Halo 2, and a space mission at the end, because space combat was awesome on Reach but just wasn't explored fully enough.

And of course, add in all the weapons and vehicles from all Halo games, and Customs and Theater and Matchmaking and Forge and all that.

Thoughts?

I'm not sure I can agree entirely with all of this. What I do agree with is that it would be nice if the graphics could be enhanced. Halo could be graphically enhanced by having a detailed thriving ecosystem. The plant life could be vastly overgrown due to the fact that Halo has been mostly uninhabited except for some Covenant action.

I also agree with adding some if not all of the vehicles of the Halo series.

Plus I agree with adding online services such as matchmaking and the like.

What I don't agree with is meddling with the cutscenes or the campaign story line. Those two things need to be the same as the original Halo: Combat Evolved. Thus I don't agree with adding a Scarab mission and a space mission as it will alter the campaign too much.

  • 02.10.2011 5:51 AM PDT

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Posted by: annoyinginge
Unlike most people, I don't want a carbon copy of the original CE. Perhaps the original game in HD could be included, but when people buy a game they generally expect something they haven't already got. Here's what I think should change:

For a start, screw spending time on graphics, pretty visuals don't make a game. It can have Reach graphics, and if those chug, give it Halo 3 graphics.

Secondly, the Forerunner architecture needs a serious overhaul. Look at this cutscene. Sure, the sweet CGI makes it look good, but even without that the design is amazing. Whereas CE is just grey corridors and boxy rooms, most of it could've been set on a 2011 industrial estate. Where's that sense of alien grandeur we felt when we first caught sight of a huge ring floating in space?

On the same note, the 'rural' areas of Halo weren't anything special either. Grassy fields and some trees that could have been straight out of the park down the road, and no flowers to mention. Shouldn't this area hold a sample of the species the Forerunners saved from thousands of planets, tens of thousands of years ago? Halo should be so exotic it makes the Amazon look like the Sahara desert, what we've got right now makes an English nature park seem wild. Same goes for the wildlife - this strikingly alien forest would need a whole ecosystem of equally alien creatures to sustain it. I want to feel amazed when I'm walking round Halo.

Thirdly, some of the moments of the Campaign need to be overhauled. The introduction of the Halo, for example, was lackluster compared to what it could have been, as was the scene in which Cortana revealed Halo's true purpose. I don't care if they ahve to hire a Hollywood cinematic director, get those cutscenes up to scratch.

Fourthly, the second half of the Campaign. No two ways of saying it, it's the first half backwards. I'd make it semi-sandbox, give the player a choice as to what route they take, and I'd take full advantage of improved AI numbers to really make it feel as if you're in the middle of an epic battle.

Fifthly (is that a word?), a lot of good mission ideas could be implemented. Use a wide variety of vehicles as you explore Halo, not just the Warthog and Scorpion. We've got the Falcon, the Hornet, the Banshee, the Wraith, the Chopper, the Revenant, the Ghost, the Spectre, the Mongoose... let's make use of all these. Lots of vehicle sequences, please. And let's have a Scarab mission, people have been asking for this since Halo 2, and a space mission at the end, because space combat was awesome on Reach but just wasn't explored fully enough.

And of course, add in all the weapons and vehicles from all Halo games, and Customs and Theater and Matchmaking and Forge and all that.

Thoughts?

I'm not sure I can agree entirely with all of this. What I do agree with is that it would be nice if the graphics could be enhanced. Halo could be graphically enhanced by having a detailed thriving ecosystem. The plant life could be vastly overgrown due to the fact that Halo has been mostly uninhabited except for some Covenant action.

I also agree with adding some if not all of the vehicles of the Halo series.

Plus I agree with adding online services such as matchmaking and the like.

What I don't agree with is meddling with the cutscenes or the campaign story line. Those two things need to be the same as the original Halo: Combat Evolved. Thus I don't agree with adding a Scarab mission and a space mission as it will alter the campaign too much.

Even if you can also play through the original Campaign? I was thinking of the second Campaign being unlocked as a bonus when you complete the original on Heroic or harder. If the two Campaigns clash in canon, obviously the original overrides the new one, which is basically Sabre's take on CE and something to keep people like me happy.

  • 02.10.2011 9:06 AM PDT

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I think drastic changes of any kind is playing with fire. You are literally messing with the most celebrate FPS game of the last decade, you can't get too crazy with it.

There are some things that will naturally be changed simply as part of the update process. Updated visuals will have to lead to updated environments, but again there cannot be large amounts of change sprinkled in there as it will no longer be Halo CE but some form of redux.

I'm kind of mixed on this to be honest, the idea of having a the actual game with a solid visual update alongside a reworked version of the game isn't terrible, but it would take a lot of time to do both.

  • 02.10.2011 10:14 AM PDT

i think 343 shud also put in armer lock cuz i get lots of kills with it they shud also put in duel wheel wepons so i can use duble shutguns

  • 02.10.2011 4:19 PM PDT
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  • 02.10.2011 4:39 PM PDT

it needs a good mid-long range weapon in addition to the pistol then i'd be happy

  • 02.10.2011 4:41 PM PDT

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Gigolo.

I'd love to see how the Flood would look like this time. Writhing yet gritty textures would be sweet. Assuming there truly will be a graphical overhaul.

I'd rather the remake stay true the the original. I prefer the idea of an alternate campaign (mentioned earlier) that doesn't interfere with the original campaign's storyline to the point that it has to be changed.

  • 02.11.2011 5:58 AM PDT

Ah, someone leaked. Now to find the leak and.... plug it.
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Bloom isn't whats broken, its your idea of what good is and your opinion
Thats like saying uber nerf armor lock because like 20 percent of the community hates it. Oh wait..................

I want a PERFECT port, nothing touched but the addition of multiplayer and costom games

  • 02.11.2011 7:08 AM PDT

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Posted by: BOB570
No.

Well, thanks for that insightful and intelligent addition to the the discussion...

  • 02.11.2011 11:12 AM PDT
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agreed if i wanted the exact same halo as 1 i would play 1

  • 02.11.2011 12:21 PM PDT

If the game isn't changed, then:
*Cortana will say "this cave is not a natural formation".
*Players will be left behind in 4 player coop because there aren't enough vehicles.
*Repetitive corridors.
*Battles won't have more AI.
*The Library will remain unchanged.
*Wraiths, swords, sentinel beams and fuel rod guns aren't usable
*Invincibility/health on vehicles.
*Weak hunters
etc.

[Edited on 02.12.2011 4:07 AM PST]

  • 02.12.2011 4:01 AM PDT

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Well the dialogue should remain the same...

But make smaller changes elsewhere, like:
AI
Weaponry
Vehicles
Some redesigned levels (The Library(obviously...))
Etc

  • 02.12.2011 5:30 AM PDT
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just dont mess with the pistol

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Posted by: xgeua
If the game isn't changed, then:
*Cortana will say "this cave is not a natural formation".
*Players will be left behind in 4 player coop because there aren't enough vehicles.
*Repetitive corridors.
*Battles won't have more AI.
*The Library will remain unchanged.
*Wraiths, swords, sentinel beams and fuel rod guns aren't usable
*Invincibility/health on vehicles.
*Weak hunters
etc.
I love how Cortana says it's not a natural formation. It makes me laugh (:

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Posted by: annoyinginge
Posted by: BOB570
No.

Well, thanks for that insightful and intelligent addition to the the discussion...
You have no idea how many times chickenlittle, myself and a few other regulars have encountered threads like this.

At least you didn't say "me wantz DMR and armer lokz and sperten lazzer!!!" like some have done in the past.


Posted by: xgeua
If the game isn't changed, then:
*Cortana will say "this cave is not a natural formation".
Good.
*Players will be left behind in 4 player coop because there aren't enough vehicles. Do you really think they won't accommodate according to number of players?
*Repetitive corridors.If you don't like Halo 1, then don't play it. But don't be changing the entire friggin game just because you don't like the corridors.
*Battles won't have more AI.The battles have plenty of AI. They were bigger than most battles on Halo: Reach. Ever played The Two Betrayals on Legendary?
*The Library will remain unchanged.Good. It's all a part of the experience. If you don't like it, don't play it.
*Wraiths, swords, sentinel beams and fuel rod guns aren't usableNo big deal, the game was made around the other weapons anyway.
*Invincibility/health on vehicles.Invincible vehicles are a huge part of the game. It changes the way you play the game. They can be used for cover and enable warthog launching. Don't you dare get rid of indestructible vehicles.
*Weak huntersTurn up the health a bit, but otherwise leave them the same.
etc.I don't even want to know.

[Edited on 02.12.2011 7:57 AM PST]

  • 02.12.2011 7:41 AM PDT

"well said mini moose"

i just dont want the battle rifle, carbine, needle rifle, or dmr

  • 02.12.2011 11:43 AM PDT

"well said mini moose"

Posted by: BOB570
Posted by: annoyinginge
Posted by: BOB570
No.

Well, thanks for that insightful and intelligent addition to the the discussion...
You have no idea how many times chickenlittle, myself and a few other regulars have encountered threads like this.

At least you didn't say "me wantz DMR and armer lokz and sperten lazzer!!!" like some have done in the past.


Posted by: xgeua
If the game isn't changed, then:
*Cortana will say "this cave is not a natural formation".
Good.
*Players will be left behind in 4 player coop because there aren't enough vehicles. Do you really think they won't accommodate according to number of players?
*Repetitive corridors.If you don't like Halo 1, then don't play it. But don't be changing the entire friggin game just because you don't like the corridors.
*Battles won't have more AI.The battles have plenty of AI. They were bigger than most battles on Halo: Reach. Ever played The Two Betrayals on Legendary?
*The Library will remain unchanged.Good. It's all a part of the experience. If you don't like it, don't play it.
*Wraiths, swords, sentinel beams and fuel rod guns aren't usableNo big deal, the game was made around the other weapons anyway.
*Invincibility/health on vehicles.Invincible vehicles are a huge part of the game. It changes the way you play the game. They can be used for cover and enable warthog launching. Don't you dare get rid of indestructible vehicles.
*Weak huntersTurn up the health a bit, but otherwise leave them the same.
etc.I don't even want to know.

  • 02.12.2011 11:44 AM PDT

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