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3. Objectification

If you are used to having women do what ever you want, when ever you want, when watching videos on your computer, then if you think you do or not, you are making them simply an image or object, which exists only to enhance the way you feel.

When this comes to a partner, you may be great friends with them in other occasions, but you will have objectified the female body and the -blam!- act as something simply for your own gain.

Sure this isn't for everyone, but for many people it is. Men sometimes asks their parters for a threesome with another woman, but are opposed to their partner asking for a threesome with another man involved. In my eyes neither are right, but if thats what you are into or not, you must see the double standard.

If those jokes about the perfect woman being some one who only makes sandwiches and being naked weren't based in anything, they wouldn't exist and people wouldn't find them funny. This also applies to other forms of sex which men like the idea of and women don't want to do, yet they are pressured into.


Okay. My first problem with this is that your analysis of objectification is extremely sexist. Towards men. -blam!- objecifies men in exactly the same way as it objectifies women. Seriously. Compare your trouser snake to that of O.G Mudbone and every other adult film actor, and then tell me that's not causing unrealistic expectations for a male appearance. Because it bleedin' well is. Infact the amazing Athiest mentioned it in one of his videos; It may have been in "feminism sucks" but I am not sure. Additionally it puts pressure on males to over-build (I hope this is the right term) their muscles. This is on exactly the same scale as the adult film actresses who have had thousands of (insert currency here) worth of cosmetic surgery. Another point is this; Said women would not have had this surgery if they did't WANT to be objectified; being objectified is their JOB for crying out loud. I know, I know, not all of them "enjoy" it and were "forced into it" (as if there were no alternatives). Look at some of the ameture films. These are normal couples enjoying consensual intercourse not soley for you, the viewers pleasure, but because THEY enjoy it.




Also there will always be a demand for adult film because people enjoy watching it. Not for the purpose of ojectifying peope, however, as many have been indocrinated to believe. Do you not have a sex drive? do you not have a "mojo"? Have you never walked down the high street, casually glanced at a member of the opposite gender and thought, "I would"? Of course you have, and if you say otherwise, you are lying because you've been wrongly taught that it is wrong to have such desires. Raep is wrong, but a want for intercourse is not, because it's bleedin' biological and necessary.

Arg.

I will ammend any mistakes if they are pointed out, this was written in one disgruntled session.


[Edited on 02.10.2011 9:13 AM PST]

  • 02.10.2011 8:39 AM PDT

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No, in all seriousness you prove some good points, and there isn't really a way that you can argue that p0rn is good.

So A* from Professor Flea.

  • 02.10.2011 8:41 AM PDT

My spoon isn't the only thing that's too big

All I'm going to say, is that if you break up because of XXX videos, you were never going to last in the first place.

  • 02.10.2011 8:42 AM PDT

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  • 02.10.2011 8:42 AM PDT

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Posted by: superfonz666

3. Objectification

If you are used to having women do what ever you want, when ever you want, when watching videos on your computer, then if you think you do or not, you are making them simply an image or object, which exists only to enhance the way you feel.

When this comes to a partner, you may be great friends with them in other occasions, but you will have objectified the female body and the -blam!- act as something simply for your own gain.

Sure this isn't for everyone, but for many people it is. Men sometimes asks their parters for a threesome with another woman, but are opposed to their partner asking for a threesome with another man involved. In my eyes neither are right, but if thats what you are into or not, you must see the double standard.

If those jokes about the perfect woman being some one who only makes sandwiches and being naked weren't based in anything, they wouldn't exist and people wouldn't find them funny. This also applies to other forms of sex which men like the idea of and women don't want to do, yet they are pressured into.

Okay. My first problem with this is that your analysis of objectification is extremely sexist. Towards men. -blam!- objecifies men in exactly the same way as it objectifies women. Seriously. Compare your trouser snake to that of O.G Mudbone and every other adult film actor, and then tell me that's not causing unrealistic expectations for a male appearance. Because it bleedin' well is. Infact the amazing Athiest mentioned it in one of his videos; It may have been in "feminism sucks" but I am not sure. Additionally it puts pressure on males to over-build (I hope this is the right term) their muscles. This is on exactly the same scale as the adult film actresses who have had thousands of (insert currency here) worth of cosmetic surgery. Another point is this; Said women would not have had this surgery if they did't WANT to be objectified; being objectified is their JOB for crying out loud. I know, I know, not all of them "enjoy" it and were "forced into it" (as if there were no alternatives). Look at some of the ameture films. These are normal couples enjoying consensual intercourse not soley for you, the viewers pleasure, but because THEY enjoy it.




Also there will always be a demand for adult film because people enjoy watching it. Not for the purpose of ojectifying peope, however, as many have been indocrinated to believe. Do you not have a sex drive? do you not have a "mojo"? Have you never walked down the high street, casually glanced at a member of the opposite gender and thought, "I would"? Of course you have, and if you say otherwise, you are lying because you've been wrongly taught that it is wrong to have such desires. -blam!- is wrong, but a want for intercourse is not, because it's bleedin' biological and necessary.

Arg.

I will ammend any mistakes if they are pointed out, this was written in one disgruntled session.

wow.........

  • 02.10.2011 8:43 AM PDT
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Op must be a girl right?
This whole thing looks like something an uneducated feminist would write

  • 02.10.2011 8:52 AM PDT

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  • 02.10.2011 8:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: kevin paul 90
Op must be a girl right?
This whole thing looks like something an uneducated feminist would write

Well I'm a bloke, and I largely agree with this. The OP does focus more on the negative effects of Pr0nz on women than on men, but I think that's because less women watch pr0nz and objectify men in the same way, but I (and the OP too, hopefully) acknowledge that men can be objectified too.

[Edited on 02.10.2011 9:11 AM PST]

  • 02.10.2011 9:10 AM PDT
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Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
If you learn about something called society before you start watching pr0n, then none of these ought to apply to you.
That said, a significant proportion of children believe that CoD is true-to-life, so that shows that idea.
I think that if you are already had a relationship before you watch p0rn, its effects are reduced, but still there.

Out of a poll taken in England, over 50% of children under the age of 10 had watched at least one p0rn video.

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  • 02.10.2011 9:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: ToastyWaffles
Posted by: kevin paul 90
Op must be a girl right?
This whole thing looks like something an uneducated feminist would write

Well I'm a bloke, and I largely agree with this. The OP does focus more on the negative effects of Pr0nz on women than on men, but I think that's because less women watch pr0nz and objectify men in the same way, but I (and the OP too, hopefully) acknowledge that men can be objectified too.
This is correct.

I am a guy and actually I am opposed to many of the feminist views, as I think they take some good ideas and exaggerate them to the extreme.

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  • 02.10.2011 9:23 AM PDT
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Posted by: Sacred Flea
I should probably take notice of this thread, however...





No, in all seriousness you prove some good points, and there isn't really a way that you can argue that p0rn is good.

So A* from Professor Flea.
Thank you :)

- JFKES

  • 02.10.2011 9:26 AM PDT

My spoon isn't the only thing that's too big

Posted by: JFKES
I think that if you are already had a relationship before you watch p0rn, its effects are reduced, but still there.

Out of a poll taken in England, over 50% of children under the age of 10 had watched at least one p0rn video.

- JFKES
XXX videos actually made me pretty secksually intelligent in my first relationship. From the get-go I was pretty good at what I was doing. I only see them as a benefit to society.

  • 02.10.2011 9:27 AM PDT

Perception is everything.

Some things I agree with. Some I disagree with.

Regardless, I think I personally have enough control over my videos to not make it an issue, so...I'm not giving them up.

  • 02.10.2011 9:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: mahspoonis2big
Posted by: JFKES
I think that if you are already had a relationship before you watch p0rn, its effects are reduced, but still there.

Out of a poll taken in England, over 50% of children under the age of 10 had watched at least one p0rn video.

- JFKES
XXX videos actually made me pretty secksually intelligent in my first relationship. From the get-go I was pretty good at what I was doing. I only see them as a benefit to society.
You can think that, but the fact remains that many long term relationships suffer because of it.

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  • 02.10.2011 9:29 AM PDT

Posted by: JFKES


2. Addiction

Most often, if you are in a long term relationship, you're wife/girlfriend wont want you to look at other people having sex. This is very understandable]


actually there are many girls/women that love to watch it just as much as boys/men it keeps the the relationship interesting and not boring

  • 02.10.2011 9:30 AM PDT

Here to end the borrowed time you've all been living on.

I don't think any of those apply to reasonably decent and smart people.

  • 02.10.2011 9:47 AM PDT

My spoon isn't the only thing that's too big


Posted by: JFKES
Posted by: mahspoonis2big
Posted by: JFKES
I think that if you are already had a relationship before you watch p0rn, its effects are reduced, but still there.

Out of a poll taken in England, over 50% of children under the age of 10 had watched at least one p0rn video.

- JFKES
XXX videos actually made me pretty secksually intelligent in my first relationship. From the get-go I was pretty good at what I was doing. I only see them as a benefit to society.
You can think that, but the fact remains that many long term relationships suffer because of it.

- JFKES
You can think that, but the fact is those long-term relationships obviously weren't going to work out anyway.

  • 02.10.2011 9:48 AM PDT

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"

XXX media is really no different from any other media, in that it can interfer with your daily life if used too much and that in some people it can cause desensitization towards to the subject matter.

In regards to relationships specifically, the effects are far too subjective to really pin blame on the media itself. I know two couples that actively watch -blam!- together, as it makes them more creative and spices things up for them. On the other hand I know a few women personally that find viewing of -blam!- by their SO's to be a betrayal akin to that of infidelity.

IMO, like anything else in a relationship, it's simply a matter of communication and understanding. You need to talk it over with your partner, find out their position, identify eachothers needs, and try to come to common ground. Men aren't the only one's that have high drive, there are more and more women every year turning to adult entertainment and sex toys as means of pleasure.

Bottom line, it's only as harmful to a relationship as the couple allows it to be. If it offends one and the other doesn't care enough to stop, then that says quite a bit about the relationship anyway.

  • 02.10.2011 9:56 AM PDT

@Helveck

Just an Average Joe...

P0rnography is "Hollywoodized" reality just like most movies or shows that have this unrealistic approach to real life are. If you can separate the two and appreciate real life for what it is and know that what happens in most p0rn is not a standard of shmexual intercourse, then it is not harmful.

It CAN be harmful, it can cause addictions to both mashterbation, and the p0rnography itself, but these are individually based cases and cannot be representative for the entire population.

Having this discussion while attempting to spell properly is impossible thanks to the swear filter. Awesome.

[Edited on 02.10.2011 10:00 AM PST]

  • 02.10.2011 9:58 AM PDT

I am a Floodian

I went ahead and read through your post. The angle on how it can damage relationships was newer than most of what else you post. It was well thought out, and it's nice to see people trying to post this stuff.

GJ OP.

  • 02.10.2011 9:58 AM PDT

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  • 02.10.2011 10:00 AM PDT