- superfonz666
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It is at some points draining.
I'll try and keep it short and wrap up with my opinions now.
It is just that I do not think that it is as common.
It only appears less common, for example men are much less likely to speak up about things like domestic abuse and just try to deal with it, while women tend to be more... let's say, vocal. (this issue applies to our p0rn issue too). It's a glitch in the system, a hidden statistic so to speak.
Just because they know that it is happening, does not make it any more correct. I hate to use an analogy (I am told by those which know me that I use them far too much...) but say someone posted a video of them killing some one else, just because the person who posted it enjoys it, and knows that people who are watching it will objectify the person being killed, does not make it any more acceptable. I understand the difference between my example and that of amateur p0rn, but I think that the same basic logic applies.
Analogies are all well and good, but once again you could have used a better example; murder is illegal, most things in adult film are not. (Although I am very sure there is an underground market for snuff.) I understand your point, but moral and legal are seperate issues.
Ach, I'm getting very tired, sorry this post in particular is less well argued than the rest.
Not really, they are compliments, you say them to make the person feel better about themselves, which is totally different to objectifying women. You are still respecting the individual, and you are simply stating something about their appearance, not using their appearance for your own pleasure, turning them into an object for your use, nothing more.
True, but it could be just as likely a comment intended to be used to get into someone's pants, as it is a heartfelt compliment.
On one level I say that we should have freedom, but say I wanted to use my body to become a child rapist, would you still allow it?
I know it's wrong, I can't help but laugh a bit at this one ^^
Right, once again, it's legal vs illegal here. When I said people had the freedom to do what they wish with their bodies I did intend (and should have stated) within the boundries of the law. But mutual consent should always, always, 100% of the time dictate whether intercourse happens or not.
Interesting point. But you are not treating the scientist himself as an object, just his published work, which differs, because the work is an object, and is not an individual.
It could be argued that the p0rn video that is created at the end of filming is the equivilent of the scientist's published works. I do understand both outcomes have radically different values and uses, and I would regard the intellectual work more highly. Either way, this is the finished product by either means of production, and is thus equal in a capitolist's eyes (unfortunately)
Again, p0rn stars are individuals, they are encouraging these more extreme types of sex. You can argue that they never mean it to be replicated, but many people wish that it could be. The difference between not actually being live on Pandora and be an Avatar and p0rn in this case, is that often although people want both, they blame their partner if they don't get this fantasy intercourse.
First I would like to think that any relationship should have the consent and understanding that, if one half did not want to try a particular secksual act, then the half that is asking would understand because they care for their partner.
Now, I think it was argued before by somebody else, but trends are not set by the p0rn industry, but rather the p0rn industry caters to it's consumer's demands. Capitalism at its finest again.
The Call of Duty point
Okay fair point and I agree, but the "Hollywood" p0rn is often unrealistic, using false... members, siemen, that sort of thing.
No problem :) I am just thankful someone invented the enter button...
HAH! I hope that's not a jab at me Sir... (I'm going to assume Sir unless told otherwise)
-blam!-ion is a physical act, and watching something to stimulate it is also just as 'real', the betrayal although may not quite be equal, it close in the minds of many partners.
Fair enough, I think we can both agree on this one actually.
Sure, but in many cases that isn't why the partner is upset about someone cheating.
Of course the actual betrayal is why someone would firstly and foremostly be upset, but STD transmission is probably a more significant factor than you assume, for example to intentionally transmit AIDs is illegal for reasons such as this, and is a very real potential consequence.
I agree, but that is because I think that it is more in the open, I have talked to people who were totally distraught after finding downloaded p0rn on their boyfriends computer.
Yes, but these are personal, individual, unique cases, it'd be more reliable if the evidence was studied in a wider population to see trends and the like. Although I see where you are coming from.
Totally agree.
Glad you do. More people should be aware this is a serious issue.
Some times, but it is surprising how many people re-marry even after being unfaithful (sure it may break up again, but that does not change that fact that they were desirable)
Very valid point. Although again, I'd like to think that something like viewing p0rn could be easily solved so a relationship is put back on track (although I firmly believe there is no such thing as a "perfect" relationship). Also I'm sure you agree that p0rn is not the major, or even most significant cause of divorce.
P0rn can be seen as an act of betrayal, there is a physical act of -blam!-ion while watching p0rn. Cheating (if accepted) would cause no family problems, some stars are unfaithful all the time and it doesn't effect them, but they are a tiny minority, and IMO there is no point in them being together.
Stars as in famous people you mean? I hope you don't see them as a valid representation of the population at large. Even if cheating was accepted I believe it would cause family problems - for example, children would have difficulties identifying who their parental role models are at a young age, which could lead to difficulties in behaviour and discipline, leading to, well, you can guess I'm sure, Crime and the like.
The family can be a victim, if the husband is tired of his wife, and wont give up his satisfaction which he gets from p0rn.[.quote] If a husband is tired of his wife that will not be solved by giving up p0rn, whether he is obsessed with it or not. That is a clear communication issue, potentially domestic abuse even.
[quote]But really, I do enjoy arguing/debating with others, because even if I don't change the others mind, it secures in my own mind, my personal beliefs. I thank you for taking the time to answer and ask questions, prying deeper into my own mind and thought process.
I agree. Single minded-ness is what caused such things as the Crusades, and fuels the need for rebellion. 's tricky business, yo. I've enjoyed this even if I am shattered by now.
People need to have an understanding of other cultures and opinions. This is very evident in youtube comments, and Call of Duty.