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Subject: Nuclear warfare.

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Why havent we seen a HAVOK in its full tactical state? I think it would be amazing to be out in space and then when your about to loose just unleash it and go into slipspace. That way your alive the ship you fought is demolished. And then you wouldn't commit sucide under cole's order. You would remain to fight another day but the nuclear supply would have to increase.

  • 02.10.2011 5:46 PM PDT

Adepto In Meus Campester
Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

Fury tac-nuke > Havok.

30 megaton football for the win.

  • 02.10.2011 7:40 PM PDT

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I'l be the QB go out for a pass....

  • 02.10.2011 7:41 PM PDT

The tide is turning, brothers! Let us take our kingdom back!

TOUCHDOWN!
*throws ball down*
*giant explosion*

  • 02.10.2011 8:31 PM PDT
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NICE *gets vaporized* maybe nuclear football was a bad idea

  • 02.10.2011 8:33 PM PDT

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No comment just lol

  • 02.10.2011 8:49 PM PDT

The Fury is <1 megaton, the Havoks are 30 megaton.

  • 02.10.2011 10:00 PM PDT
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Nukes are useless in space.

The "Nova" bomb (and in fact, nuclear weapons in general) and it's effects are so massively overstated in the book series. Apparently, the bomb has the energy to cause total destruction to entire planetoids, and the entire covenant armada stationed within several millions of kilometres.


The kind of energies involved in such an explosion would approach the exaton range, because explosions do not propogate in space.

  • 02.10.2011 10:14 PM PDT

The Nova bomb has a yield of 1.2 Petatons, im sorry but that much explosive power could literally crack a planet in two, it destroyed the planets moon and wiped out the entire fleet in the area. Also the bomb caused massive tidal waves and 300 mile per hour winds which enhanced its destructive power.

  • 02.10.2011 10:19 PM PDT

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Sorry guys let me rephrase that wheres the nova bombs at in the gameplay?

  • 02.10.2011 10:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: Tibetz
Nukes are useless in space.


Nukes aren't useless in space. They don't have a shockwave that propagates through space, and there's the inverse square law, but they still release a lot of energy and are quite capable of vaporizing armor and causing damaging shockwaves in whatever they hit. According to this calculator, a 30 megaton nuke 1 km away will vaporize 20 cm of Titanium and cause impulse shock.

  • 02.10.2011 10:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: Tibetz
Nukes are useless in space.


Nukes aren't useless in space. They don't have a shockwave that propagates through space, and there's the inverse square law, but they still release a lot of energy and are quite capable of vaporizing armor and causing damaging shockwaves in whatever they hit. According to this calculator, a 30 megaton nuke 1 km away will vaporize 20 cm of Titanium and cause impulse shock.

Well then looks like were at a stalmate

[Edited on 02.10.2011 10:28 PM PST]

  • 02.10.2011 10:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: KillerKalaj212
The Nova bomb has a yield of 1.2 Petatons, im sorry but that much explosive power could literally crack a planet in two, it destroyed the planets moon and wiped out the entire fleet in the area. Also the bomb caused massive tidal waves and 300 mile per hour winds which enhanced its destructive power.


Uhh....

No. It can't. I could possibly accept a moon being destroyed by a 1.2 Petaton bomb. If it were planted directly ON the moon.

However, the earth was hit by a 100 Teraton bomb known as the Yucatan Peninsula Impact (1/12th of that power). Our planet had an atmosphere, so that energy could be propagated fully around the planet. That explosion barely put a DENT in the planet (180 km diameter, a few miles deep), even with the aid of an actual kinetic impact. Finally, that explosion was contained ENTIRELY WITHIN THE EARTHS ATMOSPHERE.


Now, in space, there is no propagation. The explosion of a 1oo teraton bomb would be many times smaller, because the only transfer of energy would be the energy itself.

This means that after even a kilometre, the original energy per-square-inch has dissipated some.

So please, explain to me how a 1.2 Petaton bomb can destroy a fleet in space. Because it isn't NEARLY big enough.
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Posted by: Tibetz
Nukes are useless in space.


Nukes aren't useless in space. They don't have a shockwave that propagates through space, and there's the inverse square law, but they still release a lot of energy and are quite capable of vaporizing armor and causing damaging shockwaves in whatever they hit. According to this calculator, a 30 megaton nuke 1 km away will vaporize 20 cm of Titanium and cause impulse shock.


Um, the distances in Halo's (hell, every science fiction story's) terms dictate hundreds of kilometres as "close quarters". And the drop off is NOT linear.

[Edited on 02.10.2011 10:30 PM PST]

  • 02.10.2011 10:28 PM PDT

The weapon exploded between the planet and its moon and destroyed 3/5ths of the fleet in the area, the moon, Malheim was only 2 kilometers in diameter. So its very probable that a weapon of that yield could literally shatter it into billions of pieces.

This is from the wiki.
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The NOVA Bomb's explosive power is quickly depleted due to the lack of particles or atmosphere around it when detonated in space. This results in a much quicker release of energy, with the possibility of even further multiplying its damage to ships, planets, moons, and other celestial objects due to the lack of energy absorbing particles in space. However if detonated inside a planet's atmosphere, a portion of the total energy generated would be dispersed throughout the atmosphere. The density as well as composition of the atmosphere are the largest contributing factors when determining how much energy is dispersed. Even though the power of the NOVA Bomb is not mentioned in the book, a low end can be calculated:

Assumptions: the moon is 2km, and the NOVA bomb is only 5,000 km away.
Calc: Apply the Inverse Squared Law: Source Energy / (4 * Pi * R2) the radius is the distance from the source to the range.

x/ (4 * 3.14195... * 5,0002) = 4 Megatons per square kilometer to fragment a 2km moon which requires 8 Megatons to be fragmented.

x = 1.2 Petatons.

Some may find this yield hard to believe for a fusion device, but the stated effects to the planet and nearby moon require explosive power of this magnitude. Whitcomb does mention, however, that the lithium triteride cases are compressed to "neutron star density" during the detonation, implying that the warheads themselves boost a second, much larger fusion reaction.



[Edited on 02.10.2011 10:59 PM PST]

  • 02.10.2011 10:57 PM PDT
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The NOVA bomb makes more sense if you assume that what we've been told about how it works is really a cover story, and it really works by some secret ONI reverse engineered forerunner magic or something.

[Edited on 02.10.2011 11:26 PM PST]

  • 02.10.2011 11:12 PM PDT