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Subject: UNSC Seems really stupid after lookingat it tactically...
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Why didn't the UNSC just insert a 30 MT Fury-Tac into the area around the Spire 1?

  • 02.10.2011 8:20 PM PDT

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  • 02.10.2011 8:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: I Em I Raptor
Why didn't the UNSC just insert a 30 MT Fury-Tac into the area around the Spire 1?


They wanted to avoid using a nuke? Or didn't have one? The UNSC doesn't seem to have an overabundance nuclear weapons.

I don't think a Fury can have a yield that large. The Fury in FS was 1 megaton, and the one in the reach trailer was 15 kilotons. (Assuming the latter isn't retconning the former, there's probably several different models of the MFDD. Same small size, different yields) But I think the size of the device would limit the yield. Still be more than enough to take down the spire.

  • 02.10.2011 8:39 PM PDT

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Why blow something up when you can blow yourself up at the same time simotenisly?

  • 02.10.2011 8:48 PM PDT

Yep, cause that is a tactically smart decision.

"Hey, we have a Covenant camp on the planet, how are we going to deal with it."

'We should mobilize our forces, we can win a ground engagement. Swarm them with numbers on our side.'

Nah, that's a stupid idea, let's nuke it!

'Um, Nuke it and cause damage to the very planet we are trying to save? smart...'

"I say we should nuke it, damned be the civilian and other items in the area, let's nuke it and cause severe damage to the ecosystem of Reach!"

(That is how you say it should have happened?)

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Why not make it intresting.

  • 02.10.2011 8:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Yep, cause that is a tactically smart decision.

"Hey, we have a Covenant camp on the planet, how are we going to deal with it."

'We should mobilize our forces, we can win a ground engagement. Swarm them with numbers on our side.'

Nah, that's a stupid idea, let's nuke it!

'Um, Nuke it and cause damage to the very planet we are trying to save? smart...'

"I say we should nuke it, damned be the civilian and other items in the area, let's nuke it and cause severe damage to the ecosystem of Reach!"

(That is how you say it should have happened?)

Your proposition seems pretty stupid too. "Lets swarm them yaaaay." They didn't need a nuke, but long range artillery could have been used instead.

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Last time I checked it had a shield so troops could only pass through?

  • 02.10.2011 9:03 PM PDT


Posted by: Beowolfe

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Yep, cause that is a tactically smart decision.

"Hey, we have a Covenant camp on the planet, how are we going to deal with it."

'We should mobilize our forces, we can win a ground engagement. Swarm them with numbers on our side.'

Nah, that's a stupid idea, let's nuke it!

'Um, Nuke it and cause damage to the very planet we are trying to save? smart...'

"I say we should nuke it, damned be the civilian and other items in the area, let's nuke it and cause severe damage to the ecosystem of Reach!"

(That is how you say it should have happened?)

Your proposition seems pretty stupid too. "Lets swarm them yaaaay." They didn't need a nuke, but long range artillery could have been used instead.


Seeing as the UNSC typically won ground battles, but lost Space ones, swarming is much smarter then nuking their own planet and making the area useless.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Yep, cause that is a tactically smart decision.

"Hey, we have a Covenant camp on the planet, how are we going to deal with it."

'We should mobilize our forces, we can win a ground engagement. Swarm them with numbers on our side.'

Nah, that's a stupid idea, let's nuke it!

'Um, Nuke it and cause damage to the very planet we are trying to save? smart...'

"I say we should nuke it, damned be the civilian and other items in the area, let's nuke it and cause severe damage to the ecosystem of Reach!"

(That is how you say it should have happened?)

Your proposition seems pretty stupid too. "Lets swarm them yaaaay." They didn't need a nuke, but long range artillery could have been used instead.


Would long range artillery even crack the Spire shields?

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Posted by: Beowolfe

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Yep, cause that is a tactically smart decision.

"Hey, we have a Covenant camp on the planet, how are we going to deal with it."

'We should mobilize our forces, we can win a ground engagement. Swarm them with numbers on our side.'

Nah, that's a stupid idea, let's nuke it!

'Um, Nuke it and cause damage to the very planet we are trying to save? smart...'

"I say we should nuke it, damned be the civilian and other items in the area, let's nuke it and cause severe damage to the ecosystem of Reach!"

(That is how you say it should have happened?)

Your proposition seems pretty stupid too. "Lets swarm them yaaaay." They didn't need a nuke, but long range artillery could have been used instead.


Seeing as the UNSC typically won ground battles, but lost Space ones, swarming is much smarter then nuking their own planet and making the area useless.


Tactical nukes don't make that big of a bang, and seeing how the location is practically in the middle of nowhere, even if they did choose to do it, it probably wouldn't be the end of the world.

But of course, I doubt a nuke is needed, in fact even the MAC was overkill. As I said, long range artillery or even just a fair amount planted charges probably would have been enough.

And no, no commander in the right mind would ever use "swarm them with our numbers" as a primary tactic in modern/future ground engagements. They'd send forces, but not throw them in like toy soldiers.

@guy above: Noble Team was sent in to disable the shields anyways, at which point if they needed to use the tac nuke, they could, but so would it open the spire up to other means.

[Edited on 02.10.2011 9:24 PM PST]

  • 02.10.2011 9:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: Beowolfe

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Yep, cause that is a tactically smart decision.

"Hey, we have a Covenant camp on the planet, how are we going to deal with it."

'We should mobilize our forces, we can win a ground engagement. Swarm them with numbers on our side.'

Nah, that's a stupid idea, let's nuke it!

'Um, Nuke it and cause damage to the very planet we are trying to save? smart...'

"I say we should nuke it, damned be the civilian and other items in the area, let's nuke it and cause severe damage to the ecosystem of Reach!"

(That is how you say it should have happened?)

Your proposition seems pretty stupid too. "Lets swarm them yaaaay." They didn't need a nuke, but long range artillery could have been used instead.


Would long range artillery even crack the Spire shields?


Maybe? The shield didn't seem to stop the Falcon. Well, didn't stop it from passing through.

They could always try nuclear artillery.

[Edited on 02.10.2011 9:26 PM PST]

  • 02.10.2011 9:22 PM PDT


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Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: Beowolfe

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Yep, cause that is a tactically smart decision.

"Hey, we have a Covenant camp on the planet, how are we going to deal with it."

'We should mobilize our forces, we can win a ground engagement. Swarm them with numbers on our side.'

Nah, that's a stupid idea, let's nuke it!

'Um, Nuke it and cause damage to the very planet we are trying to save? smart...'

"I say we should nuke it, damned be the civilian and other items in the area, let's nuke it and cause severe damage to the ecosystem of Reach!"

(That is how you say it should have happened?)

Your proposition seems pretty stupid too. "Lets swarm them yaaaay." They didn't need a nuke, but long range artillery could have been used instead.


Would long range artillery even crack the Spire shields?


Maybe? The shield didn't seem to stop the Falcon. Well, didn't stop it from passing through.

They could always try nuclear artillery.


Notice how the grafton's guns didn't pass through the shield? Or the falcon's grenades?

Also, to the guy saying "swarming them is stupid." That was a rough statement. The UNSC had a battle plan covering the entire territory. They didn't zerg rush or swarm mindlessly.

  • 02.10.2011 9:34 PM PDT
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Notice how the grafton's guns didn't pass through the shield? Or the falcon's grenades?

I'd forgotten, although now that you mention it, I do remember about the grenades.

But of course, I doubt a nuke is needed, in fact even the MAC was overkill.

Yeah. Nukes would definitely be overkill for the Spire.

[Edited on 02.10.2011 9:41 PM PST]

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Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: Beowolfe

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Yep, cause that is a tactically smart decision.

"Hey, we have a Covenant camp on the planet, how are we going to deal with it."

'We should mobilize our forces, we can win a ground engagement. Swarm them with numbers on our side.'

Nah, that's a stupid idea, let's nuke it!

'Um, Nuke it and cause damage to the very planet we are trying to save? smart...'

"I say we should nuke it, damned be the civilian and other items in the area, let's nuke it and cause severe damage to the ecosystem of Reach!"

(That is how you say it should have happened?)

Your proposition seems pretty stupid too. "Lets swarm them yaaaay." They didn't need a nuke, but long range artillery could have been used instead.


Would long range artillery even crack the Spire shields?


Maybe? The shield didn't seem to stop the Falcon. Well, didn't stop it from passing through.

They could always try nuclear artillery.


Notice how the grafton's guns didn't pass through the shield? Or the falcon's grenades?

Also, to the guy saying "swarming them is stupid." That was a rough statement. The UNSC had a battle plan covering the entire territory. They didn't zerg rush or swarm mindlessly.

Your poor choice of words then, I thought we were talking hypotheticals, not how they actually did it in game.

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  • 02.10.2011 9:51 PM PDT

Using a tatical nuclear device like the Fury would be more harm than good, its Emp would knock out electronics near by and possibly take out the ODP's temporarily.

  • 02.10.2011 9:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: BOSOX599
Using a tatical nuclear device like the Fury would be more harm than good, its Emp would knock out electronics near by and possibly take out the ODP's temporarily.


I'm no expert, but wouldn't a relatively low yield detonation at ground level produce a fairly small(confined to the immediate area damaged) EMP? I though the large area effects were primarily caused by high altitude detonations.

  • 02.10.2011 10:10 PM PDT


Posted by: opogjijijp
Posted by: BOSOX599
Using a tatical nuclear device like the Fury would be more harm than good, its Emp would knock out electronics near by and possibly take out the ODP's temporarily.


I'm no expert, but wouldn't a relatively low yield detonation at ground level produce a fairly small(confined to the immediate area damaged) EMP? I though the large area effects were primarily caused by high altitude detonations.
The reletively low yeild you speak of is five times larger than the nukes dropped in Japan.

And, no, they won't make a difference. If there are electric cables in the area, they would essentially send the EMP cross the continent.

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Didnt they say that all nukes had been lost?

  • 02.11.2011 9:44 AM PDT
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most on the ships that where in that fight the super carrier destroyed them.

  • 02.11.2011 9:53 AM PDT

Because they wanted to use a Mac cannon. IT'S COOLER!

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Where are the Military bases?

I mean Its like when they were building defences they were like, "Hey guys! we forgot to make bases in Viery!"

"Nah, who cares about Viery, it has such boring scenery, that not even the Covies will use it."

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Here is my battle plan for the battle of Viery.

In the initial Rush, use scorpions flanked be wolverines/Rocket Hogs. Then, While the main army advances, use Long Swords to fly fast, and low to destroy the Tyrant guns.

Noble team will then push through the path in the campaign, and mop up the remaining forces. The main army will then push past the destroyed scarabs, with the frigates deploying artillery via pelicans into the area. The Artillery will destroy the Covie controlled choke points you see through out the Campaign astopping the Human Vehicles.

Meanwhile, ALL of noble team will enter the spire. Jorge will provide covering fire up close, and Jun will provide long range support. The rest of Noble enters the Spire and Kat disables it. A Falcon picks them up, and the artillery that was set up destroys it.

The Long Night of Solace then reveals itself and that frigates who had their MAC rounds ready open fire destroying its shields. The LNoS then destroys the Frigates and the Next level begins.

  • 02.11.2011 1:51 PM PDT

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