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Subject: What if Jun wasn't a chicken?

In the first mission of the game, Jun doesn't touch the ground at all. Not once does he ever get out of the Falcon.

But what if he had gone into the relay with the rest of Noble?

When you think about it, it could have saved all the other SPARTANS -short of Jorge anyway- due to the simple fact that he could have killed the Field marshal.

This would immediately save Kat, who was killed directly by the field marshal. Then, during PoA, rather than send Jun with Halsey, Carter would have logically sent Kat.

Jun snipes all the Banshees at the beginnning, and Carter survives. With the support of the Pelican, Emile is never stabbed to death. Everyone gets away happy.

What do you think?

  • 02.12.2011 10:04 AM PDT


Posted by: A JAR OF PICKLE
In the first mission of the game, Jun doesn't touch the ground at all. Not once does he ever get out of the Falcon.

But what if he had gone into the relay with the rest of Noble?

When you think about it, it could have saved all the other SPARTANS -short of Jorge anyway- due to the simple fact that he could have killed the Field marshal.

This would immediately save Kat, who was killed directly by the field marshal. Then, during PoA, rather than send Jun with Halsey, Carter would have logically sent Kat.

Jun snipes all the Banshees at the beginnning, and Carter survives. With the support of the Pelican, Emile is never stabbed to death. Everyone gets away happy.

What do you think?


The Covenant do have multiple Zealots you know? That wasn't the same one at all, if it was meant to be the same one then it would have been made much clearer. And Carter clearly stated that he wanted Jun as the "eye in the sky" on the first mission.

And Pelicans are not meant to be air support vehicles, they do have weapons yes, but that is more to clear out opposition to their landing. They're a dropship, they're not intended for taking direct part in combat.

  • 02.12.2011 10:19 AM PDT

I don't see how Jun, a sniper, would have changed anything in the CQC situation of the relay.

Also, to ordered-coma, it's a popular theory I've heard. The field marshall from WC escapes. He pops up after being sent when the Covenant catch the transmission from Holland, taking the shot that kills Kat. He then leads the Zealot team at the MAC cannon, being the final elite you kill.

  • 02.12.2011 10:22 AM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: A JAR OF PICKLE
In the first mission of the game, Jun doesn't touch the ground at all. Not once does he ever get out of the Falcon.

But what if he had gone into the relay with the rest of Noble?

When you think about it, it could have saved all the other SPARTANS -short of Jorge anyway- due to the simple fact that he could have killed the Field marshal.

This would immediately save Kat, who was killed directly by the field marshal. Then, during PoA, rather than send Jun with Halsey, Carter would have logically sent Kat.

Jun snipes all the Banshees at the beginnning, and Carter survives. With the support of the Pelican, Emile is never stabbed to death. Everyone gets away happy.

What do you think?


The Covenant do have multiple Zealots you know? That wasn't the same one at all, if it was meant to be the same one then it would have been made much clearer. And Carter clearly stated that he wanted Jun as the "eye in the sky" on the first mission.

And Pelicans are not meant to be air support vehicles, they do have weapons yes, but that is more to clear out opposition to their landing. They're a dropship, they're not intended for taking direct part in combat.


Sierra 117, Halo 3. One Pelican dropship easily clears out a pair of Phantoms. It could have done the same, thus saving Emile from the pair of Zealots that killed him.

And as far as I know, there was only 1 Field Marshal on Reach. He was present in Visegrad, Killed Kat with a headshot, and was later killed by Six. I'm pretty sure that was confirmed to be the same one.

  • 02.12.2011 10:23 AM PDT
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Posted by: A JAR OF PICKLE
And as far as I know, there was only 1 Field Marshal on Reach. He was present in Visegrad, Killed Kat with a headshot, and was later killed by Six. I'm pretty sure that was confirmed to be the same one.
I don't think it was confirmed, and it seems rather unlikely that he'd be stalking Six and Noble Team perfectly.

There's multiple Generals, why not Field Marshals?

  • 02.12.2011 10:27 AM PDT


Posted by: A JAR OF PICKLE
Sierra 117, Halo 3. One Pelican dropship easily clears out a pair of Phantoms. It could have done the same, thus saving Emile from the pair of Zealots that killed him.


Said pelican also had missile/rocket pods on it. Carter's didn't. Just pointing that out.


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Posted by: A JAR OF PICKLE
And as far as I know, there was only 1 Field Marshal on Reach. He was present in Visegrad, Killed Kat with a headshot, and was later killed by Six. I'm pretty sure that was confirmed to be the same one.
I don't think it was confirmed, and it seems rather unlikely that he'd be stalking Six and Noble Team perfectly.

There's multiple Generals, why not Field Marshals?


I think the description of the Field Marshall made it sound like there isn't normally more then one deployed.

  • 02.12.2011 10:31 AM PDT


Posted by: A JAR OF PICKLE

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: A JAR OF PICKLE
In the first mission of the game, Jun doesn't touch the ground at all. Not once does he ever get out of the Falcon.

But what if he had gone into the relay with the rest of Noble?

When you think about it, it could have saved all the other SPARTANS -short of Jorge anyway- due to the simple fact that he could have killed the Field marshal.

This would immediately save Kat, who was killed directly by the field marshal. Then, during PoA, rather than send Jun with Halsey, Carter would have logically sent Kat.

Jun snipes all the Banshees at the beginnning, and Carter survives. With the support of the Pelican, Emile is never stabbed to death. Everyone gets away happy.

What do you think?


The Covenant do have multiple Zealots you know? That wasn't the same one at all, if it was meant to be the same one then it would have been made much clearer. And Carter clearly stated that he wanted Jun as the "eye in the sky" on the first mission.

And Pelicans are not meant to be air support vehicles, they do have weapons yes, but that is more to clear out opposition to their landing. They're a dropship, they're not intended for taking direct part in combat.


Sierra 117, Halo 3. One Pelican dropship easily clears out a pair of Phantoms. It could have done the same, thus saving Emile from the pair of Zealots that killed him.

And as far as I know, there was only 1 Field Marshal on Reach. He was present in Visegrad, Killed Kat with a headshot, and was later killed by Six. I'm pretty sure that was confirmed to be the same one.


I know it did that, but it's not a combat fighter, it can clear out big obstacles on the way in, but it's not meant to take a direct role in combat, it's too slow and nowhere near maneuverable enough.

Well he would have died twice then, there's a Field Marshal on Tip of the Spear that you kill on your way through the mining station, and Field Marshal is not a rare rank in the Covenant, there would be many in one fleet, probably at least a couple of them in something like the scouting force encountered before the 14th.

  • 02.12.2011 10:33 AM PDT

Posted By:Also, to ordered-coma, it's a popular theory I've heard. The field marshall from WC escapes. He pops up after being sent when the Covenant catch the transmission from Holland, taking the shot that kills Kat. He then leads the Zealot team at the MAC cannon, being the final elite you kill.

Interesting, I've never heard that, I heard the theory that he might be the one you kill on Tip of the Spear, but I hadn't heard that other one before. I don't think it's very likely though, but that's just me.

  • 02.12.2011 10:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: A JAR OF PICKLE

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: A JAR OF PICKLE
In the first mission of the game, Jun doesn't touch the ground at all. Not once does he ever get out of the Falcon.

But what if he had gone into the relay with the rest of Noble?

When you think about it, it could have saved all the other SPARTANS -short of Jorge anyway- due to the simple fact that he could have killed the Field marshal.

This would immediately save Kat, who was killed directly by the field marshal. Then, during PoA, rather than send Jun with Halsey, Carter would have logically sent Kat.

Jun snipes all the Banshees at the beginnning, and Carter survives. With the support of the Pelican, Emile is never stabbed to death. Everyone gets away happy.

What do you think?


The Covenant do have multiple Zealots you know? That wasn't the same one at all, if it was meant to be the same one then it would have been made much clearer. And Carter clearly stated that he wanted Jun as the "eye in the sky" on the first mission.

And Pelicans are not meant to be air support vehicles, they do have weapons yes, but that is more to clear out opposition to their landing. They're a dropship, they're not intended for taking direct part in combat.


Sierra 117, Halo 3. One Pelican dropship easily clears out a pair of Phantoms. It could have done the same, thus saving Emile from the pair of Zealots that killed him.

And as far as I know, there was only 1 Field Marshal on Reach. He was present in Visegrad, Killed Kat with a headshot, and was later killed by Six. I'm pretty sure that was confirmed to be the same one.
the pelican in Sierra 117 had missle pods, most pelicans, including the ones in Reach dont. with just the auto cannon I doubt the pelican would be able to take out the phantom fast enough to stop it from deploying the zealots that killed Emile.

  • 02.12.2011 10:55 AM PDT


Posted by: Darthbill99
Posted by: A JAR OF PICKLE

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: A JAR OF PICKLE
In the first mission of the game, Jun doesn't touch the ground at all. Not once does he ever get out of the Falcon.

But what if he had gone into the relay with the rest of Noble?

When you think about it, it could have saved all the other SPARTANS -short of Jorge anyway- due to the simple fact that he could have killed the Field marshal.

This would immediately save Kat, who was killed directly by the field marshal. Then, during PoA, rather than send Jun with Halsey, Carter would have logically sent Kat.

Jun snipes all the Banshees at the beginnning, and Carter survives. With the support of the Pelican, Emile is never stabbed to death. Everyone gets away happy.

What do you think?


The Covenant do have multiple Zealots you know? That wasn't the same one at all, if it was meant to be the same one then it would have been made much clearer. And Carter clearly stated that he wanted Jun as the "eye in the sky" on the first mission.

And Pelicans are not meant to be air support vehicles, they do have weapons yes, but that is more to clear out opposition to their landing. They're a dropship, they're not intended for taking direct part in combat.


Sierra 117, Halo 3. One Pelican dropship easily clears out a pair of Phantoms. It could have done the same, thus saving Emile from the pair of Zealots that killed him.

And as far as I know, there was only 1 Field Marshal on Reach. He was present in Visegrad, Killed Kat with a headshot, and was later killed by Six. I'm pretty sure that was confirmed to be the same one.
the pelican in Sierra 117 had missle pods, most pelicans, including the ones in Reach dont. with just the auto cannon I doubt the pelican would be able to take out the phantom fast enough to stop it from deploying the zealots that killed Emile.


I believe that they could never have killed the Phantom without rockets. But the sneaky Zealot would be no match for a Pelicans auto-cannon.

  • 02.12.2011 11:07 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I don't see how Jun, a sniper, would have changed anything in the CQC situation of the relay.

Also, to ordered-coma, it's a popular theory I've heard. The field marshall from WC escapes. He pops up after being sent when the Covenant catch the transmission from Holland, taking the shot that kills Kat. He then leads the Zealot team at the MAC cannon, being the final elite you kill.


Sniper rifle would have pierced the shields of the Zealots and FIeld marshal with ease.

  • 02.12.2011 11:08 AM PDT

When I first saw this I thought it said "What if Jun wasn't a cricket' And I was like AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

  • 02.12.2011 11:08 AM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: A JAR OF PICKLE

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: A JAR OF PICKLE
In the first mission of the game, Jun doesn't touch the ground at all. Not once does he ever get out of the Falcon.

But what if he had gone into the relay with the rest of Noble?

When you think about it, it could have saved all the other SPARTANS -short of Jorge anyway- due to the simple fact that he could have killed the Field marshal.

This would immediately save Kat, who was killed directly by the field marshal. Then, during PoA, rather than send Jun with Halsey, Carter would have logically sent Kat.

Jun snipes all the Banshees at the beginnning, and Carter survives. With the support of the Pelican, Emile is never stabbed to death. Everyone gets away happy.

What do you think?


The Covenant do have multiple Zealots you know? That wasn't the same one at all, if it was meant to be the same one then it would have been made much clearer. And Carter clearly stated that he wanted Jun as the "eye in the sky" on the first mission.

And Pelicans are not meant to be air support vehicles, they do have weapons yes, but that is more to clear out opposition to their landing. They're a dropship, they're not intended for taking direct part in combat.


Sierra 117, Halo 3. One Pelican dropship easily clears out a pair of Phantoms. It could have done the same, thus saving Emile from the pair of Zealots that killed him.

And as far as I know, there was only 1 Field Marshal on Reach. He was present in Visegrad, Killed Kat with a headshot, and was later killed by Six. I'm pretty sure that was confirmed to be the same one.


I know it did that, but it's not a combat fighter, it can clear out big obstacles on the way in, but it's not meant to take a direct role in combat, it's too slow and nowhere near maneuverable enough.

Well he would have died twice then, there's a Field Marshal on Tip of the Spear that you kill on your way through the mining station, and Field Marshal is not a rare rank in the Covenant, there would be many in one fleet, probably at least a couple of them in something like the scouting force encountered before the 14th.


That wasn't a field marshal, Dott called it a Zealot and I'm pretty sure it was just a Zealot.

  • 02.12.2011 11:09 AM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa
Well he would have died twice then, there's a Field Marshal on Tip of the Spear that you kill on your way through the mining station
You might want to look at that one again, for it was a Zealot.

  • 02.12.2011 11:17 AM PDT


Posted by: A JAR OF PICKLE

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: A JAR OF PICKLE

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: A JAR OF PICKLE
In the first mission of the game, Jun doesn't touch the ground at all. Not once does he ever get out of the Falcon.

But what if he had gone into the relay with the rest of Noble?

When you think about it, it could have saved all the other SPARTANS -short of Jorge anyway- due to the simple fact that he could have killed the Field marshal.

This would immediately save Kat, who was killed directly by the field marshal. Then, during PoA, rather than send Jun with Halsey, Carter would have logically sent Kat.

Jun snipes all the Banshees at the beginnning, and Carter survives. With the support of the Pelican, Emile is never stabbed to death. Everyone gets away happy.

What do you think?


The Covenant do have multiple Zealots you know? That wasn't the same one at all, if it was meant to be the same one then it would have been made much clearer. And Carter clearly stated that he wanted Jun as the "eye in the sky" on the first mission.

And Pelicans are not meant to be air support vehicles, they do have weapons yes, but that is more to clear out opposition to their landing. They're a dropship, they're not intended for taking direct part in combat.


Sierra 117, Halo 3. One Pelican dropship easily clears out a pair of Phantoms. It could have done the same, thus saving Emile from the pair of Zealots that killed him.

And as far as I know, there was only 1 Field Marshal on Reach. He was present in Visegrad, Killed Kat with a headshot, and was later killed by Six. I'm pretty sure that was confirmed to be the same one.


I know it did that, but it's not a combat fighter, it can clear out big obstacles on the way in, but it's not meant to take a direct role in combat, it's too slow and nowhere near maneuverable enough.

Well he would have died twice then, there's a Field Marshal on Tip of the Spear that you kill on your way through the mining station, and Field Marshal is not a rare rank in the Covenant, there would be many in one fleet, probably at least a couple of them in something like the scouting force encountered before the 14th.


That wasn't a field marshal, Dott called it a Zealot and I'm pretty sure it was just a Zealot.


Field Marhsals are Zealots, the highest rank for one in ground combat, at least that's what halopedian says. And I remember the guy having horns, I'm pretty sure it was a Field Marshal.

  • 02.12.2011 11:31 AM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa

Field Marhsals are Zealots, the highest rank for one in ground combat, at least that's what halopedian says. And I remember the guy having horns, I'm pretty sure it was a Field Marshal.
He didn't have horns. I have fought and killed him multiple times. I have taken his picture once, but deleted it when I got a better Zeallot picture.

  • 02.12.2011 11:33 AM PDT

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Posted by: A JAR OF PICKLE
And as far as I know, there was only 1 Field Marshal on Reach. He was present in Visegrad, Killed Kat with a headshot, and was later killed by Six. I'm pretty sure that was confirmed to be the same one.
I don't think it was confirmed, and it seems rather unlikely that he'd be stalking Six and Noble Team perfectly.

There's multiple Generals, why not Field Marshals?
Field Marshalls are the head of ground operations for whatever planet they are incorporated to massacre. Bungie made it explicitly so the Field Marshall charged with the destruction of Reach's inhabitants planetside stalked and killed noble team, one by one.

  • 02.12.2011 11:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: OrderedComa
Field Marhsals are Zealots, the highest rank for one in ground combat, at least that's what halopedian says. And I remember the guy having horns, I'm pretty sure it was a Field Marshal.


Field Marshalls are the highest ranked Zealots, yes. But the Zealot in Tip of the Spear isn't a Field Marshall, it lacks the horns on the helmet - as you can see here.

  • 02.12.2011 11:37 AM PDT


Posted by: matman25402
Posted by: ZedFish
Posted by: A JAR OF PICKLE
And as far as I know, there was only 1 Field Marshal on Reach. He was present in Visegrad, Killed Kat with a headshot, and was later killed by Six. I'm pretty sure that was confirmed to be the same one.
I don't think it was confirmed, and it seems rather unlikely that he'd be stalking Six and Noble Team perfectly.

There's multiple Generals, why not Field Marshals?
Field Marshalls are the head of ground operations for whatever planet they are incorporated to massacre. Bungie made it explicitly so the Field Marshall charged with the destruction of Reach's inhabitants planetside stalked and killed noble team, one by one.
I do say that it was the same Field Martial throughout the game (He was even the one that killed Kat), but I find their role in general land/space battles to be debatable.

It seems that he only lead Zealots and Spec Ops Grunts. What I'm getting is that Zealots are the ones that claim Forerunner structures and/or relinquishing structures from the humans, and that the Field Martial acts as the leader.

[Edited on 02.12.2011 11:41 AM PST]

  • 02.12.2011 11:40 AM PDT

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Methinks it was just a subtle tone to the story in Reach, the Field Marshall being the same from Winter Contingency, New Alexandria and the Pillar of Autumn. It's not an enemy, it's a symbol that embodies the Covenant itself.

  • 02.12.2011 11:42 AM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
Methinks it was just a subtle tone to the story in Reach, the Field Marshall being the same from Winter Contingency, New Alexandria and the Pillar of Autumn. It's not an enemy, it's a symbol that embodies the Covenant itself.
I concur.





He was also a very good shot ;)

  • 02.12.2011 11:46 AM PDT

Hmmm, anyone else besides me think this would make an intresting story from the covenant prospective on the destruction of reach ?

Basicly like how in Halo: the flood they gave some story on the elite that was hunting MC through out the level ( and who you kill in halo: CE )

I probably wouldn't enjoy it because i enjoy the struggles/sacrifices that humanity had to make throughout the story.

  • 02.12.2011 5:10 PM PDT

Posted by: A JAR OF PICKLE
But what if he had gone into the relay with the rest of Noble?
he could have killed the Field marshal.
Kill a Field Marshal? With bodyshots from his nerfed sniper? I don't think so.

  • 02.12.2011 5:34 PM PDT

http://bungie.me/sig/noble/Stealth+Fox74.png

alrite screw the zealot/field marshall thing.


If jun had been on the ground, then they wouldnt have known the covenant was there. Theyd walk into the first contact and get murdered. mayb Six, Carter and Kat would get out. And then your screwed for the rest of the game

  • 02.12.2011 5:50 PM PDT


Posted by: Stealth Fox74
alrite screw the zealot/field marshall thing.


If jun had been on the ground, then they wouldnt have known the covenant was there. Theyd walk into the first contact and get murdered. mayb Six, Carter and Kat would get out. And then your screwed for the rest of the game


Um... the logic behind this is what?

  • 02.12.2011 5:56 PM PDT

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