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Subject: Halo: It Would Appear I Know Everything

Cryptum spoilers below

I've read quite a few theories in here--Lord Snakie and Wolverfrog being two of particular note. But that doesn't mean they are the only one's out there.

Many Halo fans, myself included, have taken on the full might of one of the most enigmatic universes out there, only for their hard work to be smashed aside in the shadows of Halo: Cryptum.

I feel your pain.

But as I ploughed my way through this newly released masterpiece from Greg Bear I began to notice something. Elements of Cryptum were familiar: as if from a dream, but I couldn't exactly remember. And then, as I made my way to the final chapters, I realised why certain statements or events in the book stood out. It was because I had not only seen them before, but written them myself. It would appear that my ability to write fiction was not only entertaining to many Halo fans, but also prophetic.

Early on, I started to question the validity of the information available. Not because Bungie might be feeding us disinformation but because the information was often from a particular viewpoint. Who was to say the terminals were entirely accurate or that each novel revealed everything? And who was to say that each game provided us with the bigger picture?

The Forerunners themselves came under the scrutiny of many, mainly to discern whether or not they were all dead or had left the galaxy for much greener pastures. But for me, I looked upon them as a powerful military force that in some cases will do anything to preserve their future and cover up the past. I saw them, not as the benign and super intelligent species that was repeatedly put before us, but as enemies.

This was a theory I put forward in Foman's "Compound Intelligence", that the Forerunners were not the peace-loving race we were all led to believe. Instead, the Forerunners were in some cases malevolent and controlling. But more specifically, what if the Forerunners were at the root of the Precursors disappearance?

In my fanfic, The Halo 3: Epilogue, I pushed forward an idea that the Flood were not a natural evolution of a race but one that was engineered. I also gave thought to the possibility that the Master Chief's luck was not entirely circumstantial, but in fact designed. Geas is something mentioned in Cryptum--a genetic predisposition for a species as a whole or certain individuals. I called it destiny in the Epilogue and stated that John was one such individual and that his luck was designed by the Forerunners.

Oh, and one more thing. I believe I may have solved the true mystery of Sandtrap.

  • 02.14.2011 1:29 AM PDT

The forerunners did cause the disappearance of the Precursors, there is no "what if," it says so on the last page of Cryptum.

Good point about the Geas, It seems to explain John's luck, plus that would tie in with what Medicent Bias says in the last terminal-
" You don't know the contortions I had to go through to follow you here, Reclaimer "

  • 02.14.2011 1:57 AM PDT
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So, are you hinting that Cryptum stole your idea, or that it was remarkably similar? Either way, nice one.

Posted by: MaxRealflugel
Oh, and one more thing. I believe I may have solved the true mystery of Sandtrap.
Also; is it something along the lines of the Combat Suits in the warped sands of Chapter Two? I must apologise, I haven't read the full book (I'm struggling to find it, and I'm considering buying it online) so I may be behind on the facts.

[Edited on 02.14.2011 2:04 AM PST]

  • 02.14.2011 2:04 AM PDT

Probably just a coincidence or that I'm good at unocking secrets.

Sandtrap is clearly designed to keep something in. The prisoner perhaps?

  • 02.14.2011 2:36 AM PDT
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Posted by: MaxRealflugel
Sandtrap is clearly designed to keep something in. The prisoner perhaps?
Ah, I see where you're going with this.

But relatively low walls, stone tombs, and mines won't keep something that important out.
Unless, it's something to do with the "stone tombs"? Maybe they're not stone, but something stronger..?
But, they've got chips and cracks, so maybe not..

Would you just come right out and elaborate, PM if necessary?

  • 02.14.2011 2:43 AM PDT

Seriously Oak, Ive been doing this -blam!- for 16 years, gimmie my Friggen starter Pokemon and dont call me till im the champion! ¬_¬

i wouldnt put it past sandtrap being a warrior cryptum, it seems to fit the bill quite nicely, but then again i cant remember if we got an explanation to the structures in sandtrap, they were stone, not Forerunner design

could it be they were once precursor? That is, Before the halo rings fired? :/ correct me if im mistaken

  • 02.14.2011 2:47 AM PDT
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Posted by: drake3011
i cant remember if we got an explanation to the structures in sandtrap, they were stone, not Forerunner design
I think the structures look vaguely Forerunner but some details are missing or different... perhaps they're Precursor?
EDIT:
This would fit the "Prisoner" argument.

[Edited on 02.14.2011 3:02 AM PST]

  • 02.14.2011 3:00 AM PDT

Seriously Oak, Ive been doing this -blam!- for 16 years, gimmie my Friggen starter Pokemon and dont call me till im the champion! ¬_¬


Posted by: ZedFish
Posted by: drake3011
i cant remember if we got an explanation to the structures in sandtrap, they were stone, not Forerunner design
I think the structures look vaguely Forerunner but some details are missing or different... perhaps they're Precursor?
EDIT:
This would fit the "Prisoner" argument.


Very Likely, how was it the cage on charum hacktor was described? An "Arena"?

We havnt seen anything precursor in the haloverse yet, so it could easily be these worn out stones - Forerunner technology was built to last for thosands and thosands of years, but precursor would be destroyed by the Halo's...

If this is the "Secret of sandtrap" that everyone went nuts over years ago, it wouldnt exactly have been an easy answer to find :P

"What context do we have to look at it from?"

--"The book we'll release in 4 years"

"..."

  • 02.14.2011 6:04 AM PDT

I've continued the Sandtrap theory in a dedicated thread.

As for Halo: Cryptum, I can't wait to discover that the entire Haloverse is a massive ONI cover up.

  • 02.15.2011 12:22 AM PDT
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Are you suggesting that Greg Bear trolled your fanfic?

While the sandtrap planet may yet be the prison plant, I doubt Sandtrap itself is the exaxt spot they were talkign about in the book.

... that crypt under sandbox, though...

  • 02.15.2011 12:40 AM PDT

Seriously Oak, Ive been doing this -blam!- for 16 years, gimmie my Friggen starter Pokemon and dont call me till im the champion! ¬_¬


Posted by: MaxRealflugel
As for Halo: Cryptum, I can't wait to discover that the entire Haloverse is a massive ONI cover up.


Haha i was ranting about this - someone made a website called "Halo and the illuminati" and i realised "Wait - bungie cant be illuminati, there not 70 year old's in robes, so clearly they're referencing something"

I still think Oni is secretly being controlled by a group of sentient AI's

Human? Forerunner?

...Precursor?

that i havnt decided - though cryptum does add some interesting ideas of neurological life and the domain...

  • 02.15.2011 4:09 AM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

That's very plausible. It's nice to have people so dedicated to the canon. I am, but I'm not good at unlocking secrets and whatnot, unfortunately.

  • 02.15.2011 9:50 AM PDT