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Subject: The True Secret of Sandtrap (SPOILERS)

**CRYPTUM SPOILERS**


"Although Brute occupiers have been driven from this ancient structure, they left plenty to remember them by."

This statement is one we are all familiar with, and is often the one element of Sandtrap that causes the most confusion. This is simply because we inject too much of the Brute statement into the origins of the Halo 3 multiplayer map than we should.

The previous presence of Brutes on Sandtrap does little to cement the true purpose of the map.

It's clear when one looks from afar that Sandtrap is designed to keep the player in and not the other way around. If you become too curious about the ancient Forerunner walls and towers, the minefield will blast you into oblivion. Should you move fast enough, you can escape the blast of jumping land mines only to be atomised by the surrounding towers.

So Sandtrap is clearly a means of confinement. A prision.

But who was the prisioner?

Well, I presume most of you will have worked that out by now. And possibly where Sandtrap is located.

Halo: Cryptum definately fits very well into the Sandtrap riddle, but not as a Cryptum itself. I believe the map is, in fact, the prision to the last Precursor on Charum Hakkor.

The structures in the centre differ from all previous known Forerunner designs, which has led many to believe they are Precursor. But what if they're actually ancient human?

We meet again, young one. I am the last of those who gave you breath and shape and form, millions of years ago. I am the last of those your kind rose up against and ruthlessly destroyed.

I am the last Precursor.

[Edited on 02.14.2011 5:23 AM PST]

  • 02.14.2011 5:00 AM PDT

I have not read cryptum, but the evidence and reasoning you provide makes sense.

  • 02.14.2011 5:29 AM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

What about the inscriptions that are found on parts of the ruins? They look similar to the ones found in Epitaph if I remember correctly, and that was a Forerunner tower.

I guess the Forerunner could have inscribed them there as a warning of sorts after discovering the Prisoner.

Another thing. Wasn't the Human structure that contained the Prisoner described as a giant dome? There does not appear to be any ruins that suggest that on Sandtrap.

  • 02.14.2011 5:38 AM PDT

Ancient Digon perhaps?

Vision is hampered on Sandtrap by the surrounding dust storms.

Who's to say there wasn't a dome 100,000 years ago?

  • 02.14.2011 5:55 AM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: MaxRealflugel
Vision is hampered on Sandtrap by the surrounding dust storms.

Who's to say there wasn't a dome 100,000 years ago?

Well, if they are Human ruins that have survived for over 100'000 years, then there would surely be pieces of the dome lying scattered over the terrain.

Granted, the base of the dome could be lying further out in the dust storms and the other fragments buried over time.

  • 02.14.2011 6:09 AM PDT

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Very plausible, but that would also mean that humanity has located it (Aegis Fate). Perhaps Sandtrap is meant to take place after the events of Halo 3?

Or we already found it but ONI has been hiding its existence? For that matter, where is Charum Hakkor even located in the Haloverse?

So many questions...

  • 02.14.2011 6:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: Sergeant Murph
Very plausible, but that would also mean that humanity has located it (Aegis Fate). Perhaps Sandtrap is meant to take place after the events of Halo 3?

Or we already found it but ONI has been hiding its existence? For that matter, where is Charum Hakkor even located in the Haloverse?

So many questions...

Aegis Fate being there...

Indeed, it's after Halo 3.

  • 02.14.2011 6:47 AM PDT

The mines look brutish, though.

  • 02.14.2011 6:51 AM PDT
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Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: MaxRealflugel
Vision is hampered on Sandtrap by the surrounding dust storms.

Who's to say there wasn't a dome 100,000 years ago?

Well, if they are Human ruins that have survived for over 100'000 years, then there would surely be pieces of the dome lying scattered over the terrain.

Granted, the base of the dome could be lying further out in the dust storms and the other fragments buried over time.
Do remember, also, the surrounding wall is round. It is entirely possible that it could've once been the base of a massive stone dome that once stood over Sandtrap, that may have weakened, fell and got buried in the sands.

Let's break it down, though. On one side of the map is some kind of tomb. Leading through that, you find a "chasm" of sorts, on the other side of that, a long pathway through another structure. Emerging from that, among rubble, you find yourself looking at massive stone... gates? Two large tower-things, pointing at eachother (this is where one team (I think Red) spawns). What is their purpose? What do these 'gates' do?
What about the Phantom, and the human Dropship (I want to say Albatross, but eh), crashed and half-buried?

You may have solved the concept of Sandtrap, OP, but not the secret.

Anyway, good to see you made a whole thread about it, and many kudos. It's a good theory. We should get a Bungie Employee to come and drop hints.

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Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: MaxRealflugel
Vision is hampered on Sandtrap by the surrounding dust storms.

Who's to say there wasn't a dome 100,000 years ago?

Well, if they are Human ruins that have survived for over 100'000 years, then there would surely be pieces of the dome lying scattered over the terrain.

Granted, the base of the dome could be lying further out in the dust storms and the other fragments buried over time.
Do remember, also, the surrounding wall is round. It is entirely possible that it could've once been the base of a massive stone dome that once stood over Sandtrap, that may have weakened, fell and got buried in the sands.

Let's break it down, though. On one side of the map is some kind of tomb. Leading through that, you find a "chasm" of sorts, on the other side of that, a long pathway through another structure. Emerging from that, among rubble, you find yourself looking at massive stone... gates? Two large tower-things, pointing at eachother (this is where one team (I think Red) spawns). What is their purpose? What do these 'gates' do?
What about the Phantom, and the human Dropship (I want to say Albatross, but eh), crashed and half-buried?

You may have solved the concept of Sandtrap, OP, but not the secret.

Anyway, good to see you made a whole thread about it, and many kudos. It's a good theory. We should get a Bungie Employee to come and drop hints.


I remember from a awhile ago that they did a top story on the creator of sandtrap(cant remember the guys name) and he said that the symbols found there and also epitaph mean something but no body has ever found what it is.

To learn the real secret of sandtrap, one must translate the ancient symbols.

  • 02.14.2011 6:09 PM PDT

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Where are the other Precursor remnants, or the human buildings, for that matter? Where does it state that the Brutes ever visited Charumm Hakkor?

  • 02.14.2011 6:35 PM PDT


Posted by: SoApS pistol
Where are the other Precursor remnants, or the human buildings, for that matter? Where does it state that the Brutes ever visited Charumm Hakkor?


Precursor structures are destroyed by the pulse from a Halo. After the Human-Forerunner war, the Forerunners destroyed all Human structures to devolve them.

  • 02.14.2011 6:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: MaxRealflugel
**CRYPTUM SPOILERS**


"Although Brute occupiers have been driven from this ancient structure, they left plenty to remember them by."

This statement is one we are all familiar with, and is often the one element of Sandtrap that causes the most confusion. This is simply because we inject too much of the Brute statement into the origins of the Halo 3 multiplayer map than we should.

The previous presence of Brutes on Sandtrap does little to cement the true purpose of the map.

It's clear when one looks from afar that Sandtrap is designed to keep the player in and not the other way around. If you become too curious about the ancient Forerunner walls and towers, the minefield will blast you into oblivion. Should you move fast enough, you can escape the blast of jumping land mines only to be atomised by the surrounding towers.

So Sandtrap is clearly a means of confinement. A prision.

But who was the prisioner?

Well, I presume most of you will have worked that out by now. And possibly where Sandtrap is located.

Halo: Cryptum definately fits very well into the Sandtrap riddle, but not as a Cryptum itself. I believe the map is, in fact, the prision to the last Precursor on Charum Hakkor.

The structures in the centre differ from all previous known Forerunner designs, which has led many to believe they are Precursor. But what if they're actually ancient human?

We meet again, young one. I am the last of those who gave you breath and shape and form, millions of years ago. I am the last of those your kind rose up against and ruthlessly destroyed.

I am the last Precursor.
you realise that was on the HUMAN hub world, not the brute one right?

  • 02.14.2011 7:05 PM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.


Posted by: Sergeant Murph
Very plausible, but that would also mean that humanity has located it (Aegis Fate). Perhaps Sandtrap is meant to take place after the events of Halo 3?

Or we already found it but ONI has been hiding its existence? For that matter, where is Charum Hakkor even located in the Haloverse?

So many questions...
a binary system close to earth. likely somewhere in the Alpha Centauri system.

it was the pinacle of human civilization at the time. so it would follow to assume it would be close to their homeworld, which was Earth.

  • 02.14.2011 7:08 PM PDT

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Makes a lot of sense. God, I wish Reach's maps were actually good and mysterious like H3's maps. 'Specially Sandtrap.

But...all we got was copy-and-paste-from-campaign maps like CoD. Oh well...

[Edited on 02.14.2011 7:11 PM PST]

  • 02.14.2011 7:10 PM PDT

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  • 02.14.2011 7:13 PM PDT

Other remnants such as Precursor or human structures will obviously be obscured by the raging sandstorm.

If Sandtrap is indeed the same place as Sandbox then structures further out may be buried in the sand or beyond the horizon.

Brutes are only mentioned in the map description.

The presence of the UNSC means nothing as we do not know the location of the planet itself.

From the description of Charumm Hakkor in Cryptum, it's clear the planet was already in a state of decay when Bornstellar arrived with the Didact. Imagine what it would look like 100,000 years later.

[Edited on 02.15.2011 12:15 AM PST]

  • 02.15.2011 12:14 AM PDT
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Posted by: MaxRealflugel
From the description of Charumm Hakkor in Cryptum, it's clear the planet was already in a state of decay when Bornstellar arrived with the Didact. Imagine what it would look like 100,000 years later.
I believe the word "Barren" was used, so I guess it applies.

  • 02.15.2011 2:18 AM PDT

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You keep spelling prison/prisoner wrong. It was really bothering me {OCD?}.

  • 02.15.2011 3:34 AM PDT

Interesting idea.

Although, I thought I remember that somewhere, I don't remember if it was in Cryptum, or if it was in the Legends anime or whatever, but I thought that there exist even more ancient Forerunner buildings/monuments that have architecture similar to later Forerunner constructions that just made from materials that aren't as high-tech.

  • 02.15.2011 3:43 AM PDT

Seriously Oak, Ive been doing this -blam!- for 16 years, gimmie my Friggen starter Pokemon and dont call me till im the champion! ¬_¬

Its an interesting idea, the dome, before the sand, could easily have been an arena-like artifact thats been filled over thousands of years.

But im almost positive the structures ar precursor - we've yet to see a destroyed forerunner building, and we already know that the activation of the halo rings destroys precursor technology

  • 02.15.2011 4:05 AM PDT

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All I found was gordon freemans crowbar on sandtrap

[Edited on 02.15.2011 4:19 AM PST]

  • 02.15.2011 4:17 AM PDT

If Sandtrap is on Charumm Hakkor, how did the Prisoner escape?

  • 02.15.2011 4:29 AM PDT

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Interesting and cool theory, but the only problem is that Sandtrap was made long before Cryptum was written, as far as I know.

  • 02.15.2011 4:34 AM PDT

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Posted by: Pokezilla Linked
Interesting and cool theory, but the only problem is that Sandtrap was made long before Cryptum was written, as far as I know.


frank o'connor said in an interview quite some time back he knows everything that has, will, and is going to happen with the haloverse - he's just not gonna tell us :P

My thoughts are the main ideas maintained in Cryptum were concieved during production of halo CE, or at least halo 2, they knew for some time this was gonna be a big universe and wanted to make sure they had a solid backstory to the massive rings of death that are such a big deal through the games :P

  • 02.15.2011 4:39 AM PDT

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