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I'll tear you a new one...


Posted by: SlipperyGypsy86
Did anyone else notice on the BWU the white spartan as the picture is wearing the new chest piece, and possibly the same helmet????

It definitely isn't the same helmet, and the chest piece was too obstructed to tell.

  • 02.19.2011 6:16 AM PDT


Posted by: RoyalKiller188

Posted by: SlipperyGypsy86
Did anyone else notice on the BWU the white spartan as the picture is wearing the new chest piece, and possibly the same helmet????

It definitely isn't the same helmet, and the chest piece was too obstructed to tell.


It looks like the new chestpiece, but I think they made it blurry on purpose, as a cruel joke.

  • 02.19.2011 8:34 AM PDT

Posted by: Desicator616
Argue no longer, here is some more proof in favor for new armor and the next Map pack:

http://www.se7ensins.com/forums/topic/418588-even-more-info-o n-new-dlc-armors-are-added

Hayabusa FTW !

I really hope its not fake


if thats true... nomygawd

  • 02.19.2011 8:44 AM PDT

wheres the pics of the new chest piece?

  • 02.19.2011 8:46 AM PDT

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Posted by: BAY AREA BE4STPosted by: Desicator616
Argue no longer, here is some more proof in favor for new armor and the next Map pack:

http://www.se7ensins.com/forums/topic/418588-even-more-info-o n-new-dlc-armors-are-added

Hayabusa FTW !

I really hope its not fake
if thats true... nomygawd
That's not proof of anything, it's a troll post.

  • 02.19.2011 8:50 AM PDT


Posted by: Proclaimer001

Posted by: RoyalKiller188

Posted by: SlipperyGypsy86
Did anyone else notice on the BWU the white spartan as the picture is wearing the new chest piece, and possibly the same helmet????

It definitely isn't the same helmet, and the chest piece was too obstructed to tell.


It looks like the new chestpiece, but I think they made it blurry on purpose, as a cruel joke.

so....what helmet is that then?

  • 02.19.2011 8:51 AM PDT


Posted by: like 20 wizards

Posted by: Proclaimer001

Posted by: RoyalKiller188

Posted by: SlipperyGypsy86
Did anyone else notice on the BWU the white spartan as the picture is wearing the new chest piece, and possibly the same helmet????

It definitely isn't the same helmet, and the chest piece was too obstructed to tell.


It looks like the new chestpiece, but I think they made it blurry on purpose, as a cruel joke.

so....what helmet is that then?

GUNGNIR. The only similarity between the new helmet and GUNGNIR is the tiny eye thing. But they aren't even in the same place on each helmet.

  • 02.19.2011 9:02 AM PDT

I posted this on page 94, and some people seem to have forgotten why I find it highly unlikely that the armor is disk locked. If you haven't read this on page 94, or you forgot my points, I urge you to please read.

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I want to clear up a few terms here. I have read every page of this thread the last few days, not a post has gone unchecked. Somethings I'm about to go over ARE in fact restatements of things others have said, but none the less need to be stated again.

The first thing every intelligent person in this thread can agree on is this: The helmet and chest piece we see in these pictures have never been seen before. Not in Reach, Halo 3, and as far as I can tell, not in any Bungie title, unlike some other armor (security).

The second thing we can agree on is that the ONLY spartan to have armor other then default is the fancy British one with this monocle and necklace. This points out one very clear thing for me: they did that on purpose so people could find it, and create 2k+ post threads. That's a free ad right there, better then something you'll see on the sidebar of Facebook. It's the same thing that Bungie did with they're ODST interview videos. One person finds this site, another person finds the code, and now 10k posts later, people are more excited for the game. That's all we're seeing, just in a lower scale.

But now the question begs, where did this armor come from? Some people seem to think that it's and old build of the game, and the armor is cut. First off that's near impossible. Why make a map pack for a finished game, but base it off old code? For the map pack would not work on the current build of the game. Secondly, the dev (Certain Affinity) would not even have access to any other build. Thirdly, the building of the map pack began after release, unlike Noble. So this cannot be the answer.

So that leaves the possibility of it being hidden on the disk, or being downloaded. Before I get into this, let me say I did not code Reach in any way shape or form, so I do not know the capabilities of the engine fully. What I DO understand is general game design, and how to find things in the "code", which is really just a file directory.

In my opinion, I think the new armor is going to be in a download. And that is because I cannot find it on the disk. Now I'm sure people that disagree with me are getting ready to pull out the old "Disk Locked", or "Otto Said balh blah". Here is my rebuttal. It is called "Data Mining".

The difference between modding and data mining is that modders just set their credits to 9999999999 and boot up the game. Data mining is the act of looking the games code for things not easily seen on-game.

I did not mod my x-box to unlock everything like you may think. Oh no. I'm using a modded version of a program called "MyWarcraftStudio". This allows anyone to enter the file system of the game "World of Warcraft", and then fiddle with them as such. I used to make mods for the game, oh, 3 years ago I think, towards the end of BC. This is besides the point.

Using the program, I inserted a Reach disk, and was able to begin to browse the folders. I found folders for every piece of armor, the corresponding attachments, and armor effects. Including UA chest, Officer, Flames, and Bungie Blue Flames. I did not find anything that I could not identify. While it is not impossible, I may have missed something that is still hidden on this disk, however if I did, there is not much more to come. This leads me to why I believe the armor will be downloaded (other than the other options not being likely): simple fan cry out.

We begged all halo 3 long for Blood Gulch. We got it. We begged since Halo CE for pelicans. We got it, even if it is hidden. We cried to nerf the BR, and yes, we got it. And one of our biggest pleas was for new armor. Why oh why oh why would they not incorporate this into a game that they basically re-built from the ground up? Especially when the focus on a vast armory for the players is one of the main focus points of the game?

Now I'm sure a bunch of you that pulled out your other arguments are saying right now that new armor would only be used in the new maps. To think that this could not be fixed with a simple title update would be so naive that it may warrant and IQ test.

So in short, due to me not finding it while physically scrolling through code, the large outcry for it, the simplicity and likelihood of an updated armory system, and the shear near impossibility of a new map being build off an old system, I must come to the conclusion that the most likely outcome is that the code for the new armor's visuals will be beamed to my Xbox when the pack comes out, and the code for wearing it will be beamed when I buy the maps.

If you made it this far, thank you.



[Edited on 02.19.2011 9:16 AM PST]

  • 02.19.2011 9:12 AM PDT

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Posted by: xXDr00dXx
I posted this on page 94, and some people seem to have forgotten why I find it highly unlikely that the armor is disk locked. If you haven't read this on page 94, or you forgot my points, I urge you to please read.

****

I want to clear up a few terms here. I have read every page of this thread the last few days, not a post has gone unchecked. Somethings I'm about to go over ARE in fact restatements of things others have said, but none the less need to be stated again.

The first thing every intelligent person in this thread can agree on is this: The helmet and chest piece we see in these pictures have never been seen before. Not in Reach, Halo 3, and as far as I can tell, not in any Bungie title, unlike some other armor (security).

The second thing we can agree on is that the ONLY spartan to have armor other then default is the fancy British one with this monocle and necklace. This points out one very clear thing for me: they did that on purpose so people could find it, and create 2k+ post threads. That's a free ad right there, better then something you'll see on the sidebar of Facebook. It's the same thing that Bungie did with they're ODST interview videos. One person finds this site, another person finds the code, and now 10k posts later, people are more excited for the game. That's all we're seeing, just in a lower scale.

But now the question begs, where did this armor come from? Some people seem to think that it's and old build of the game, and the armor is cut. First off that's near impossible. Why make a map pack for a finished game, but base it off old code? For the map pack would not work on the current build of the game. Secondly, the dev (Certain Affinity) would not even have access to any other build. Thirdly, the building of the map pack began after release, unlike Noble. So this cannot be the answer.

So that leaves the possibility of it being hidden on the disk, or being downloaded. Before I get into this, let me say I did not code Reach in any way shape or form, so I do not know the capabilities of the engine fully. What I DO understand is general game design, and how to find things in the "code", which is really just a file directory.

In my opinion, I think the new armor is going to be in a download. And that is because I cannot find it on the disk. Now I'm sure people that disagree with me are getting ready to pull out the old "Disk Locked", or "Otto Said balh blah". Here is my rebuttal. It is called "Data Mining".

The difference between modding and data mining is that modders just set their credits to 9999999999 and boot up the game. Data mining is the act of looking the games code for things not easily seen on-game.

I did not mod my x-box to unlock everything like you may think. Oh no. I'm using a modded version of a program called "MyWarcraftStudio". This allows anyone to enter the file system of the game "World of Warcraft", and then fiddle with them as such. I used to make mods for the game, oh, 3 years ago I think, towards the end of BC. This is besides the point.

Using the program, I inserted a Reach disk, and was able to begin to browse the folders. I found folders for every piece of armor, the corresponding attachments, and armor effects. Including UA chest, Officer, Flames, and Bungie Blue Flames. I did not find anything that I could not identify. While it is not impossible, I may have missed something that is still hidden on this disk, however if I did, there is not much more to come. This leads me to why I believe the armor will be downloaded (other than the other options not being likely): simple fan cry out.

We begged all halo 3 long for Blood Gulch. We got it. We begged since Halo CE for pelicans. We got it, even if it is hidden. We cried to nerf the BR, and yes, we got it. And one of our biggest pleas was for new armor. Why oh why oh why would they not incorporate this into a game that they basically re-built from the ground up? Especially when the focus on a vast armory for the players is one of the main focus points of the game?

Now I'm sure a bunch of you that pulled out your other arguments are saying right now that new armor would only be used in the new maps. To think that this could not be fixed with a simple title update would be so naive that it may warrant and IQ test.

So in short, due to me not finding it while physically scrolling through code, the large outcry for it, the simplicity and likelihood of an updated armory system, and the shear near impossibility of a new map being build off an old system, I must come to the conclusion that the most likely outcome is that the code for the new armor's visuals will be beamed to my Xbox when the pack comes out, and the code for wearing it will be beamed when I buy the maps.

If you made it this far, thank you.




^ This, I thought the same too. Why would they not just update the game for the new armor to work on all maps if it is how Bungie said it is and new armor is locked to the new maps? I assume that could be fixed in one update hurr durr.

  • 02.19.2011 9:23 AM PDT

If it is, everyone will get it within the frist week and it won't be special anymore, along with any other new armor. So I don't get why people can't appreciate the game for more than it's armor, and ask for more maps instead.

  • 02.19.2011 9:35 AM PDT

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ok, the point of this thread is to talk about this new helmet, no to see how many posts it reaches. otherwise, say goodbye to this thread

  • 02.19.2011 10:07 AM PDT

Radicals ruin the world so give it a break, live a little.

my best GUESS would be rogue helmet with an attachment and hyabusa chest. (hyabusa had a similar collar)

  • 02.19.2011 10:15 AM PDT


Posted by: Shadow 13th
Posted by: AssaultCommand
Posted by: KJ1397
Posted by: AssaultCommand
Posted by: Osqutin
Heres thing what i made for breakfast: Fafnir Combinated fotos and sketch for one bigger picture. Pretty noobish tho :/
I don't see any similarities besides that they're both helmets.


imagine that helmet but with a monocle it looks exactly the same to me
Look at the top of the helmet. It's not remotely the same...


I agree with this guy, when this pic first came up I was thinking people had to be high to think it was the same helmet, the top and sides don't match, the visor doesn't match, there's no monicle attachment. Just a simple bolt. But this drawing has a lot more in common with other existing helmets.


I think that the drawing helmet was just a first sketch of this new helmet, but they had to change it when they incorporated it into the game.

  • 02.19.2011 10:15 AM PDT

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  • 02.19.2011 10:15 AM PDT


Posted by: InboundTMAN36
my best GUESS would be rogue helmet with an attachment and hyabusa chest. (hyabusa had a similar collar)


Hayabusa had a collar, but I don't think you could call it similar, the one in the picture is black and doesn't match the rest of the armor which is red. In Halo 3, the hayabusa collar matched whatever color the spartan was using.

  • 02.19.2011 10:18 AM PDT

Radicals ruin the world so give it a break, live a little.


Posted by: killrraider13

Posted by: InboundTMAN36
my best GUESS would be rogue helmet with an attachment and hyabusa chest. (hyabusa had a similar collar)


Hayabusa had a collar, but I don't think you could call it similar, the one in the picture is black and doesn't match the rest of the armor which is red. In Halo 3, the hayabusa collar matched whatever color the spartan was using.


key word: in HALO 3 it matched.

i am just saying it is posssible

  • 02.19.2011 10:21 AM PDT

I'm excited not just because of the armor, but this means that Bungie, 343 and affinity have broken through the barriers. Anything is possible now, rideable moas in MM, Drivable scarabs, Elephants added to the game, new weapons. The impossible has been made possible.

  • 02.19.2011 10:22 AM PDT


Posted by: InboundTMAN36

Posted by: killrraider13

Posted by: InboundTMAN36
my best GUESS would be rogue helmet with an attachment and hyabusa chest. (hyabusa had a similar collar)


Hayabusa had a collar, but I don't think you could call it similar, the one in the picture is black and doesn't match the rest of the armor which is red. In Halo 3, the hayabusa collar matched whatever color the spartan was using.


key word: in HALO 3 it matched.

i am just saying it is posssible


Alright, I guess I can agree to disagree here, after all we're all on the same side.

  • 02.19.2011 10:23 AM PDT

"Don't make me take off my belt!" - Sergeant Avery Johnson

Posted by: xxo ACE oxx
Now that the Defiant Map pack is officially public, I found some pics on the interwebs that shows a new helmet.

Pics below,
Pic 1
Pic 2
Pic 3
Pic 4
Pic 5

Here is a pic of all current available armor,

What do you think, is this a new helmet?


You know, I think that a Bungie Employee or Forum Ninja would've posted on this and said it was fake by now if it was. So, I think it's safe to say this is a new helmet.

  • 02.19.2011 10:26 AM PDT

Radicals ruin the world so give it a break, live a little.


Posted by: Jakeysuave
Posted by: xxo ACE oxx
Now that the Defiant Map pack is officially public, I found some pics on the interwebs that shows a new helmet.

Pics below,
Pic 1
Pic 2
Pic 3
Pic 4
Pic 5

Here is a pic of all current available armor,

What do you think, is this a new helmet?


You know, I think that a Bungie Employee or Forum Ninja would've posted on this and said it was fake by now if it was. So, I think it's safe to say this is a new helmet.


cOLD.

bungie aleady said in their updates that THEY decide when THEY WANT to confirm or denie speculation. and ninjas know about the same as us about future dlc or game info.



[Edited on 02.19.2011 10:28 AM PST]

  • 02.19.2011 10:28 AM PDT


Posted by: InboundTMAN36

Posted by: Jakeysuave
Posted by: xxo ACE oxx
Now that the Defiant Map pack is officially public, I found some pics on the interwebs that shows a new helmet.

Pics below,
Pic 1
Pic 2
Pic 3
Pic 4
Pic 5

Here is a pic of all current available armor,

What do you think, is this a new helmet?


You know, I think that a Bungie Employee or Forum Ninja would've posted on this and said it was fake by now if it was. So, I think it's safe to say this is a new helmet.


cOLD.

bungie aleady said in their updates that THEY decide when THEY WANT to confirm or denie speculation. and ninjas know about the same as us about future dlc or game info.



Well, seeing as the new armor is probably 343's doing, I doubt Bungie would know much about it even if they wanted to tell us what was going on.

  • 02.19.2011 10:31 AM PDT

Posted by: killrraider13
I'm excited not just because of the armor, but this means that Bungie, 343 and affinity have broken through the barriers. Anything is possible now, rideable moas in MM, Drivable scarabs, Elephants added to the game, new weapons. The impossible has been made possible.


Even though it a wonderful though of having broken the barriers! the only thing that would worry me the the idea of being able to add new weapons, i mean think how bad the forums would be flooded with "Bring back the BR" threads!

  • 02.19.2011 10:34 AM PDT